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Another Nerf on DragonKnight Tank ...
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rk110132✭✭victorhrpereira wrote: »So a balance change in a incremental patch? Can we have balance changes for proc sets too?
*** off more pve balance changes due to pvp
Edited by rk110132 on June 5, 2017 4:56PM1 -
Oompuh✭✭✭✭✭IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »Okay so you're not giving out 12k shields, you're only giving out 8k shields... Still pretty good.
Yeah the shields are still vital. The issue came from tanks using balance to fill their magic to full with 1 cast and then spamming these strong shields. So now balance returns only 3k and if you put up a shield within 4 seconds it's a small shield. I'm pretty happy with the changes overallXbox NA - Oompa
Khajiit DK Tank
Founder of Major Aegis
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In this respect ESO is a typical MMO:GreenhaloX wrote: »I still do not understand this game, and I don't think I ever will. Why the F would the developers create/design a character and given its abilities and skillsets, and it goes online to the public/gamers, then you going to come and say.. oh, too much, lets dwindle that ability or abilities.
1) Update goes to PTS
2) Players provide feedback
3) Devs don't listen to anything that doesn't fit their agenda
4) Update goes live
5) Devs realise what they had been told was correct and the nerfbat swings mightily for weeks after.
ZOS: where am I wrong here?
This is pretty much every single MMO I ever started off enjoying but ended up hating1 -
CTSCold✭✭✭KhajiitHasSkooma wrote: »
It doesn't provide a shield it just cuts your shields in half if cast within 4 seconds. So since DK's we're using it for mag to cast shields now it gives a smaller shield.0 -
Awww mods ruin a good show.I don't give free items because it's a just game. Play the game.
I give free items because it's just a game. Play the game.
I understand both. I am the contradiction.2 -
Oompuh✭✭✭✭✭KhajiitHasSkooma wrote: »
This ability and its morphs now reduce all of your healing done and damage shields you create by 50% for 4 seconds, instead of preventing you from healing yourself.
This I what I was mentioning. If you cast your igneous within 4 seconds of your balance it will be a small igneous shieldEdited by Oompuh on June 5, 2017 6:47PMXbox NA - Oompa
Khajiit DK Tank
Founder of Major Aegis
Main Tank of Dissonant Crusade Uprising Savages0 -
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✭ExcaliburESO wrote: »Where is the nerf to shield spamming sorcs!
ZOS loves nerfing DKs and loves buffing Sorcs4 -
Blackbird_V✭✭✭✭✭
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Probably a perma block boring stamina tank that's useless.Difficulty scaling is desperately needed. 9 years. 6 paid expansions. 25 DLCs. 41 game changing updates including A Realm Reborn-tier overhaul of the game including a permanent CP160 gear cap and ridiculous power creep thereafter. I'm sick and tired of hearing about Cadwell Silver&Gold as a "you think you do but you don't"-tier deflection to any criticism regarding the lack of overland difficulty in the game.0 -
victorhrpereira✭✭✭victorhrpereira wrote: »So a balance change in a incremental patch? Can we have balance changes for proc sets too?
*** off more pve balance changes due to pvp
Seriously, I may be wrong, but are normal sets like viper and widowmaker even used for DPS in PVE? ZOS can adjust these sets and leave the monster sets alone for now. While it will improve PVP for sure, I don't think it will impact PVE at all.My girls :
Cecily - Stam. DragonKnight - EP
Valky Bladesister - Stam. Nightblade - EP
Serah Sunspade - Stam. Templar - EP
Cynthia Vukein - Mag. Sorcerer - EP
Lúmina - Mag. Templar - EP
Shauna Ivy - Mag. DragonKnight - EP
Skyla Moon - Stam. Sorcerer- EP
Jasmine Crystal - Mag. Nightblade - EP0 -
SublimeSparo✭✭✭✭✭When the build you've come up with to adjust to yet more tanking nerfs gets nerfed before the original nerfs come into effect tho
Smh new record for tank nerf there zos ggPS4 EU CP900. PS4 NA CP600,
vAA HM ☆ vHRC HM ☆ vSO HM ☆ vMOL
4th Console vMOL clear,
vMA cleared on all classes stam & magic
My TribeEU
High Sparo - Altmer - mSo DD.
Wood Sparo - Bosmer - sNB DD
Nord Sparo - Nord -sDK DD/Tank.
Bubble Girl - Imperial -sTe DD
Succubus Sue - Breton - mNB Tank.
Andrana Stormlock - Altmer - mTe Healer/ DD
Elvali Marvani - Dunmer - mDK DD.
Venemus Draconem - Redguard - sDK DD
Jayri Leki - Redguard - sSo DD.
Miss Jabsalot - Altmer - mTe PvP DD/ Tank
Mireli Hlaano - Dunmer - mNB DD.
Ms Shanks - Redguard - sNB DD/ le bank
NA
Dilemma Dame - Altmer - mDK DD
Stamsorc Kitty - Redguard - sSor DD
Aia Draconis - Imperial - sDK Tank
Decides-Who-Lives - Argonian - mTe Healer
You wont stop me - Altmer - mSo DD
Stab in the dark - Khajiit - sNB DD
Jabjabjab Beambeambeam - Dunmer - mTe DD
Spatium Auxiliarus - Imperial - hTe Tank&bank
Spectre - Altmer - mNB DD
Can't-Main-Tank -Argonian - sDK offTank3 -
Tremors✭✭✭Great thread. Love when all these tanks poke each other. Get it? Who gets it? Tough crowd.Passionfruit GM - PC NA
Godslayer | Dawnbringer3 -
RedVyperOfDorne wrote: »Great thread. Love when all these tanks poke each other. Get it? Who gets it? Tough crowd.
Seeing @Woeler taunt and grab aggro personally was a treatI don't give free items because it's a just game. Play the game.
I give free items because it's just a game. Play the game.
I understand both. I am the contradiction.4 -
Dantaria✭✭✭✭✭You know. Screw it. Screw it.
I praised that build. I honestly did. It was beautiful idea in new *** reality noone asked for and noone wanted.
You nerfed it? Fine. But this? This?!Dragonknights stacking Max Health could create extremely powerful damage shields on multiple allies at the same time, making some encounters easier than intended. We’ve kept the damage shield strength on the casting Dragonknight the same, while making it less effective on allies.
Oooooh, come on. We all know what it's all about.
How many people have cleared vHoF? Hmm? Hush, elite, I know you did, it's not about you.
*** it, how many people cleared nHoF? Out of the whole playerbase currently with access to it?
I'm not even talking about existing "achievements" for no-death, speed, HM, destroying all terminals on vet... I'm not even talking about fancy elite stuff. Just nHoF and vHoF.
Easier than intended, my a*s. For whom, than, it was intended? For whom did you make it?
That's just... You know, I'll stop there. I have nothing PG-13 to say.English isn't my native, apologies for any mistakes.8 -
VoodooWasser✭✭✭My dear fellow tanks. Lets be honest: i used the exact build that was neefed. It was easy as hell, preatty strong and incredibly easy to master.
Still im pissed about the chabges. Not because its now less op. Just because of lack of other viable support i can give to my group than 10k shields. Seriously noone is running after my orbs anymore when they can just do a heavy instead of using a laggy synergy. Alkosh? Have not tested it yet but at least its useless at first boss for lightning dmg users. Ebon? Sure one is using it but i dont have to do anything for it. Someone using lightning staff anymore? I liked it. Maby im such a noob but in vhof i dont like using it anymore. So seriously? What exactly can we do now other than giving group shields?
Ps not sarcastic. Really interested in a more fun playstile than taunt/shield/shield/shield...0 -
Oompuh✭✭✭✭✭VoodooWasser wrote: »My dear fellow tanks. Lets be honest: i used the exact build that was neefed. It was easy as hell, preatty strong and incredibly easy to master.
Still im pissed about the chabges. Not because its now less op. Just because of lack of other viable support i can give to my group than 10k shields. Seriously noone is running after my orbs anymore when they can just do a heavy instead of using a laggy synergy. Alkosh? Have not tested it yet but at least its useless at first boss for lightning dmg users. Ebon? Sure one is using it but i dont have to do anything for it. Someone using lightning staff anymore? I liked it. Maby im such a noob but in vhof i dont like using it anymore. So seriously? What exactly can we do now other than giving group shields?
Ps not sarcastic. Really interested in a more fun playstile than taunt/shield/shield/shield...
Other than shields, Alkosh is meh, PA is gone... what else do we have...? Ultigen. I had a discussion with some other tanks and honestly, there isnt much we can do now besides shields and horns.Xbox NA - Oompa
Khajiit DK Tank
Founder of Major Aegis
Main Tank of Dissonant Crusade Uprising Savages1 -
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✭BANK_IT_HERE wrote: »Artemiisia wrote: »OP you forgot this:
Increased the strength of the damage shield you apply to yourself by 200%. The total shield value on yourself should remain unchanged after these changes.
so not a nerf for the tank, but the effect it has on its allies
The whole purpose of the build was to shield allies during high damage phases. The tank him/herself didn't need a bigger shield.
I know that, but people say its a nerf to the tank, which its not. This change wont change a thing for the tank using this skill for self preservation.0 -
VampiricByNature✭✭✭✭It's just sad for console peeps. Nerfed before we even had a chance to try it out. It already took ps4 NA the longest to beat VmAw last year.
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Oompuh✭✭✭✭✭VampiricByNature wrote: »It's just sad for console peeps. Nerfed before we even had a chance to try it out. It already took ps4 NA the longest to beat VmAw last year.
Early access = beta test part 2.
These changes won't be in the patch, we have a chance to try it for a bitXbox NA - Oompa
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Jamascus✭✭✭✭Next step is to nerf ult regen builds: can't have that much uptime on warhorn, makes content easier than intented.
Best way to do it is to add a 30 secs cool-down on warhorn per group cast (after the effect is over)
After that, nerf penetration debuffs stacking: can only have Major and Minor Fracture/Breach now, and both values are reduced by 50%.
And just to balance the whole thing, cap mitigation at 25% at resistance cap
Disclaimer I'm just trolling, seems a legit thing to do since our devs seem to like to troll us too.
Disclaimer 2: I hope I'm not giving the devs any idea
You went and did it now....
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mrwasabinoseSoul ShrivenThe given reason for the Equilibrium nerf was something like, "Because tanks were returning large amounts of magicka," and then the fix is to nerf OUTGOING healing instead! So, the obvious interpretation now reads something like, "Because this was not being used as intended, and because tanks are too powerful, we have removed its effectiveness for healers as well," and that doesn't follow.
And, excuse me? This is what the spell does! It causes loss of health in return for some magicka regen. "But don't use that magicka, though. That isn't what we intended the spell to be used for."
And, honestly, is this the game that the devs want to turn it into? Yeah, we all got hit hard last patch, but this is about the 3rd or 4th consecutive nerf to tanks in general, and with the plethora of self heals available in the game, the meta responds by training primary healers to be more support or off-dps instead, and again, is this what the devs want from us? Do we need to be tackling every 4 man dungeon with 4 dps instead? Is there a particular reason they hate the MMO trinity?
For the record, I haven't ever once bought Equilibrium on any toon. Furthermore, tanking is definitely not my forte. But it is the principle of the thing. "We've offered you this, but don't use it, though. We don't like that you're actually playing the way the thing is written. So we're going to take it away from you. Oh, but you can have this sucker to compensate." Seriously?Edited by mrwasabinose on June 6, 2017 3:50AM1 -
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✭✭✭mrwasabinose wrote: »For the record, I haven't ever once bought Equilibrium on any toon. Furthermore, tanking is definitely not my forte. But it is the principle of the thing. "We've offered you this, but don't use it, though. We don't like that you're actually playing the way the thing is written. So we're going to take it away from you. Oh, but you can have this sucker to compensate." Seriously?
This ongoing problem is the soul essence of the worst part of the game.Rest in Peace:
The Dragonknight
2014-2025
This commemoration is for the class that has constantly been plundered and dismantled by designers for no obvious reason while other classes continue to have coherent skill lines and feel both powerful and cool.1 -
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✭didnt they say they want health to be a more important stats, that not everybody should put all points into magicka or stamina?
now that just a bit more dk tank get interested in higher health then you have to nerf it?
If you look through that last few patches and the changes to a lot of Templar Skills you'll see the reasons the Devs give for changes are usually just total BS made up after the change to try to justify it, then a patch or two later the "direction" they claim to have carefully been taking a class towards takes a 180 and they just expect people to forget what they've said in the past.
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✭✭✭✭✭Normally everyone says don't nerf a class, buff the others and that usually sounds horrible to me. Why try to buff a bunch of variables when you can drop one, but in this case I think that might be the case. DK tanks are a bit strong and the nerf is somewhat fine, but the problem is, every other class has been put in a bad spot by the ongoing nerfs over the past couple years to tanking. Those nerfs have been believed needed mainly b/c of DK tanks, but always hit other classes harder. Same with the morrowind patch changes. This bit of change is actually pretty decent at keeping DKs from being too much stronger than other classes at tanking, but unfortunately, past changes should be looked at to make tanking more enjoyable on other classes.-- @xaraan --
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