How do you like having warden healer in party?

Eshja · June 2017

I guess it's time when not every warden is noob, I'm sure good healers now know how to heal really good with this class, so it's good moment to ask about them.

So how do you guys feel with warden healer in your party? Do you feel it's worse or better than other classes? How about your resource restoring? Any other advantages of warden which other classes don't have? Do you find their skills useful? How are they on pvp?
Also, what do you think about opinions that new trial meta will be templar and warden as healers? Possible?

If there are any wardens healers, feel free to tell us what you feel about healing with warden, if it's nice for you and how is your magicka during the fight?

Unfortunately, the only warden healer I met had 17 level so I couldn't feel it

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vrine · June 2017

I have no idea in terms of PvE, but I've found them very handy in PvP.
I'm interested to hear what others think too!

Tryxus · June 2017

I took my Warden healer out to Cyrodiil for the first time yesterday, and I was having a lot of fun with it.

Wardens have really great support options and strong heals. You have a mobile Major Protection AoE Ultimate that is really useful when charging into battle with your group, a strong heal that increases Magic&Stam recovery + Minor Toughness, Frozen Gate to pull 1 enemy into your group, Frost Cloak, a very powerful and low cost Healing ultimate, etc, ...

Resource-wise, I never ran out of Magicka thx to the Netch and my Maelstrom Resto Staff. And I also have plenty of Ultimate at all times due to the Netch (4 Ulti per cast every 4 secs), Shimmering Shield for Major Heroism and the 20 Ulti return from the Enchanted Forest ulti when healing someone below 50%

I think Wardens make great support/healers for Cyro. Haven't tried out PvE yet (outside of pledges) since I don't have the required sets yet.

Foxic · June 2017

We used one in our best vhof score. I quite like them.

Rowjoh · June 2017

PvE end game Templar healers are much better. Wardens are good support but at the expense of dps.

I don't know much about Wardens in PvP as I haven't come across that many, probably because they are too vulnerable (there's no way I'd take mine even though it's maxed out) - they are the easiest class to kill and I'm yet to receive a Warden death notification in Kill Counter.

Foxic · June 2017

Rowjoh wrote: »

PvE end game Templar healers are much better. Wardens are good support but at the expense of dps.

I don't know much about Wardens in PvP as I haven't come across that many, probably because they are too vulnerable (there's no way I'd take mine even though it's maxed out) - they are the easiest class to kill and I'm yet to receive a Warden death notification in Kill Counter.

I keep hearing "Templar's are much better". Why do you think that?

Because we have the #2 hof score and I quite like warden healers

Tasear · June 2017

Like a boss, that's how feel about them. I feel safe with them more then anything other Healing class.

MarriedWithChildren · June 2017

In Pve it can be nice . If they run staple healer stuff such as major breech and magsteal. The resource management is nice but if they neglect the basics because " the warden stuff is good on it's own " then they are subpar. I've encountered both

Eshja · June 2017

@Tryxus, you said you were in pvp with warden healer, so what do you think about Nature's Grasp? (that skills which let you swind to targetted ally) It sounds so awesome in theory, but do you find it useful? I don't think it can be on pve, but on pvp?

My friend told me that he saw a warden using whis skill on guy riding a max speed horse, so that is interesting way to travel

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Tryxus · June 2017

Eshja wrote: »

Tryxus, you said you were in pvp with warden healer, so what do you think about Nature's Grasp? (that skills which let you swind to targetted ally) It sounds so awesome in theory, but do you find it useful? I don't think it can be on pve, but on pvp?

My friend told me that he saw a warden using whis skill on guy riding a max speed horse, so that is interesting way to travel .

The morph Bursting Vines is a great burst heal (15k heal in Cyro once), but in general the skill is not that useful. You can make it work tho, like pulling yourself out of harm's way or quickly moving to a struggling ally but I don't really find any place on my bars for it. Plus you have better options for healing than that

IcyDeadPeople · June 2017

So far, the only time I've played with warden healer in my group has been in Battlegrounds, and it certainly seems to help.

exeeter702 · June 2017

TotallyNotVos wrote: »

Rowjoh wrote: »

PvE end game Templar healers are much better. Wardens are good support but at the expense of dps.

I don't know much about Wardens in PvP as I haven't come across that many, probably because they are too vulnerable (there's no way I'd take mine even though it's maxed out) - they are the easiest class to kill and I'm yet to receive a Warden death notification in Kill Counter.

I keep hearing "Templar's are much better". Why do you think that?

Because we have the #2 hof score and I quite like warden healers

I don't think he was thinking. Like many, they just assume templar are the best healers and parrot it out loud which is nonsense.

We run a warden and nb heals in our vhof group. And no concessions are made whatsoever.

Mitoice · June 2017

I play as a healer... and I can say this

Templars - are easier to heal thanks to breath of life but due to recent nerfs... they are very bad in resource management gor the templar and his group. These are the easiest healers to play.

Wardens - Harder to play but can heal for more.... also the resource management aka sustain of the warden is faar superior, not only for the warden but for his group.

Conclusion... If yoy learn to play this class.. it is far superior than templars as healer.. the only problem is..... it harder to learn and play than templar..

exeeter702 · June 2017

Mitoice wrote: »

I play as a healer... and I can say this

Templars - are easier to heal thanks to breath of life but due to recent nerfs... they are very bad in resource management gor the templar and his group. These are the easiest healers to play.

Wardens - Harder to play but can heal for more.... also the resource management aka sustain of the warden is faar superior, not only for the warden but for his group.

Conclusion... If yoy learn to play this class.. it is far superior than templars as healer.. the only problem is..... it harder to learn and play than templar..

Lol if warden is a hard healer to play then NB healer is Einstein tier..

Sigtric · June 2017

I hate it, with all their stinky mushrooms and ice throwing. Not to mention their vine tentacles wrapping around me.

I'm allergic to the fungus.

ArchMikem · June 2017

As long as they heal, i dont care.

Eshja · June 2017

exeeter702 wrote: »

Mitoice wrote: »

I play as a healer... and I can say this

Templars - are easier to heal thanks to breath of life but due to recent nerfs... they are very bad in resource management gor the templar and his group. These are the easiest healers to play.

Wardens - Harder to play but can heal for more.... also the resource management aka sustain of the warden is faar superior, not only for the warden but for his group.

Conclusion... If yoy learn to play this class.. it is far superior than templars as healer.. the only problem is..... it harder to learn and play than templar..

Lol if warden is a hard healer to play then NB healer is Einstein tier..

Well, I play healblade for some time and I don't think it's extra hard to play it, but when I rerolled to templar for one vDSA run, I hadn't any problem and half of my tactics was replaced by BoL... So I felt the difference... Don't know how it would be now. But warden seems to be harder to learn. At least in my opinion.

Flameheart · June 2017

As long as I meet Warden healers who still know what Combat Prayer, Bubbles and Healing Springs are - so that all don't die in a lousy AoE you can easily survive with just spamming Healing Springs (Alit boss in Darkshade 1 for example - so that nobody stands on range and keeps teasing the boss for a jump out of all ground dots...), I don't care.

Often Warden healers seem to exaggerate the use of Warden skills and forget the good old stuff, which still matters. Ok, I know its new and fluffy and...and I HAVE to use it because it looks so cool :-)

CherryCake · June 2017

Game is still installing, but I also keep on hearing templars are better

I just need to be a healer somehow in mmos so I got really excited about wardens being able to heal however I heard that its very difficult to use them, is that true? Because you need to direct your heals, contrary to templars and I kinda suck at gaming so yeah

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Iselin · June 2017

The healing ulti is cheap enough that it's almost part of your rotation and I like supercharging my resto or lightning destro heavy attacks with a nice big heal with Lotus Blossom... plus the Major Prophecy it gives me doesn't hurt the crit heals either.

It's really only missing a purge in the odd fight that needs it but there's PVP Surge for that.

My templar healer has passed all her healing gear to my Warden. Now she's the one wearing the hand-me-downs.

ofSunhold · June 2017

They're nice to have around in PvP, especially in the no CP campaign.

A Templar and a Warden both running some heals, some DPS, makes a small group pretty hard to kill. I'm liking it, a lot.

VagabondLife · June 2017

Depends completely on the skill of the player. Good healers are still good as wardens. Bad healers still suck. The smoothest pug I ran this weekend had a max level warden healing, and our health bars barely moved. The worst pug I ran this weekend also had a max level warden healing, and it was an absolute disaster.

That said... I much prefer a templar healer in my party. Wardens put so much crap on the ground that I've been having trouble actually finding my dead group members to rez - they keep getting buried under mushrooms and trees and who knows what. I feel like a freaking gardener.

I will admit, it was fun at first to make obscene jokes every time a warden wrapped his exploding snake around my character's boobs, but that got old pretty fast. Now I just kinda roll my eyes every time I see that bear paw icon next to the healer's name...

Draqone · June 2017

Wardens are good healers.

The only small problem with Wardens is their buffs don't stack so having 2 warden healers in a trail is inferior to having 1 templar and 1 warden. 2 templars on the other hand are still OK since any number of shards/BoL/Ritual is useful. So basically, for 2 man dungeons warden is just as good as a templar, and for trials:

Warden + Templar > Templar + Templar >>>> Warden + Warden

1mirg · June 2017

Wardens work quite well as a AOE healing but single target healing though? Not so much.

exeeter702 · June 2017

Draqone wrote: »

Wardens are good healers.

The only small problem with Wardens is their buffs don't stack so having 2 warden healers in a trail is inferior to having 1 templar and 1 warden. 2 templars on the other hand are still OK since any number of shards/BoL/Ritual is useful. So basically, for 2 man dungeons warden is just as good as a templar, and for trials:

Warden + Templar > Templar + Templar >>>> Warden + Warden

Warden + NB is better for vet HoF.

Eshja · June 2017

exeeter702 wrote: »

Draqone wrote: »

Wardens are good healers.

The only small problem with Wardens is their buffs don't stack so having 2 warden healers in a trail is inferior to having 1 templar and 1 warden. 2 templars on the other hand are still OK since any number of shards/BoL/Ritual is useful. So basically, for 2 man dungeons warden is just as good as a templar, and for trials:

Warden + Templar > Templar + Templar >>>> Warden + Warden

Warden + NB is better for vet HoF.

Wow, it's nice to read something like this, I usually only hear that nb are okay healers, but being recommended with wardens? I hope it's true and more people will think like that!

And, honestly, that's even weird to me, when so many people don't think templar is best and it's over. Looks like future of healers won't be just in dazzingly yellow colors

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Talrol · June 2017

1mirg wrote: »

Wardens work quite well as a AOE healing but single target healing though? Not so much.

I disagree, we heal single targets just fine as long as the single target doesn't run around like they're on fire :P

OrdinatorInMourning · June 2017

Once I did some pledges with heal warden and I didn't notice any issues with heal and resource management. It was great heal with great support. My stamina didn't ran out in important situations

exeeter702 · June 2017

Eshja wrote: »

exeeter702 wrote: »

Draqone wrote: »

Wardens are good healers.

The only small problem with Wardens is their buffs don't stack so having 2 warden healers in a trail is inferior to having 1 templar and 1 warden. 2 templars on the other hand are still OK since any number of shards/BoL/Ritual is useful. So basically, for 2 man dungeons warden is just as good as a templar, and for trials:

Warden + Templar > Templar + Templar >>>> Warden + Warden

Warden + NB is better for vet HoF.

Wow, it's nice to read something like this, I usually only hear that nb are okay healers, but being recommended with wardens? I hope it's true and more people will think like that!

And, honestly, that's even weird to me, when so many people don't think templar is best and it's over. Looks like future of healers won't be just in dazzingly yellow colors .

Oh I assure you the future is still bleak unfortunately. The first 2 group that did vet HoF on live decided to not bother with running non Templar healers and everything below that is just going to follow suit.

Dixa · June 2017

The cone heal length is too short. The magicka morph should lengthen it in addition to the recovery buff.

The delayed heal is bugged. I can't remember morph names at work but the only one worth taking is the one with the healing debuff. Not only does it heal more baseline but it still heals all players and npc when it fires. The morph that allows you to hit again to heal now a) doesn't heal if you hit it sooner than two seconds after dropping it and b) does not heal npc at all wether triggered or let expire manually. By npc I mean pets.

The only worthwhile morph for vines is leeching. It's pretty good group healing without having to run altar. However it's duration is too short and we need a way to lock onto a player tank the way we can with tab and dps

Lotus blossom is great if you are heavy attacking for sure but the range on it is short. You gotta be pretty close to the target you want to heal if you want to heal someone other than yourself.

The chain boy is a huge huge heal. I love it. But like with vines we need a way to lock onto a friendly player target so I'm not chaining to the wrong target

The ultimate is what makes the warden healer. Small radius but cheap to use heals for a ton and leaves a massive hot.

Templars still have a better kit, but wardens have better sustain

exeeter702 · June 2017

Dixa wrote: »

Templars still have a better kit, but wardens have better sustain

Regarding luminous shards perhaps but outside of that, that is entirely debatable.