PSA: Scammers Stalking Guild Stores, I lost 400k.

Blud · June 2017

Decay of moral values (or even just plain old ethics) is what kills nations and civilizations. You can see the rot in this thread.

TheValar85 · June 2017

To be honest the safest way is COD. if some one dosent want to accept my COD terms to do a trading, i simply wont trade with them.
I am sorry ofr your loss to be honest too. i hope ZOs will deal with these guys soon enough.
This is the reason why i avoid face to face trades as well, and mostly using COD. It is secure better then face to face trade trickery thats for sure.

Brrrofski · June 2017

In all honesty, it's entirely your fault.

Yeh, he shouldn't be trying to do it, but there's no way for that to happen without you making a mistake.

Cpt_Teemo · June 2017

TheValar85 wrote: »

To be honest the safest way is COD. if some one dosent want to accept my COD terms to do a trading, i simply wont trade with them.
I am sorry ofr your loss to be honest too. i hope ZOs will deal with these guys soon enough.
This is the reason why i avoid face to face trades as well, and mostly using COD. It is secure better then face to face trade trickery thats for sure.

Safest way is always guild stores, even CoD has its flaws try coding a 2m item to someone just to have them sit on it for the 3 days then your out of the CoD commission and those 3 days trying to sell it.

drakhan2002_ESO · June 2017

Invincible wrote: »

It's not a scam if you hit submit

I agree with you on this; the OP *should* not have hit submit. Yes, he was tricked, but he did hit the Submit button without the first verifying the gold was in the trade window.

The same thing happens all the time with TOS agreements - how many times do people read the entire TOS? I'd imagine not the majority...most probably just click the Accept button so they can get their software installed. Similar (not exact) situation here.

Sausage · June 2017

Its one of the oldest tricks. I still remember my first one back in Diablo 2 if I remember right, it could be first Diablo though. Live and learn, live and learn. Chicks are the real trickster when you grow up, I give you, submit, nope, I like you, submit, nah.

Cpt_Teemo · June 2017

Sausage wrote: »

Its one of the oldest tricks. I still remember my first one back in Diablo 2 if I remember right. Live and learn, live and learn. Chicks are the real trickster when you grow up.

Double body death drop gg.

TheValar85 · June 2017

Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »

TheValar85 wrote: »

To be honest the safest way is COD. if some one dosent want to accept my COD terms to do a trading, i simply wont trade with them.
I am sorry ofr your loss to be honest too. i hope ZOs will deal with these guys soon enough.
This is the reason why i avoid face to face trades as well, and mostly using COD. It is secure better then face to face trade trickery thats for sure.

Safest way is always guild stores, even CoD has its flaws try coding a 2m item to someone just to have them sit on it for the 3 days then your out of the CoD commission and those 3 days trying to sell it.

hm And how much time is it needs when your cod comeback if some one is not buy your item? it should be a 24 hour waiting time if soem one is not get your item you recive back. is there something similar in the game?

Cpt_Teemo · June 2017

TheValar85 wrote: »

Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »

TheValar85 wrote: »

To be honest the safest way is COD. if some one dosent want to accept my COD terms to do a trading, i simply wont trade with them.
I am sorry ofr your loss to be honest too. i hope ZOs will deal with these guys soon enough.
This is the reason why i avoid face to face trades as well, and mostly using COD. It is secure better then face to face trade trickery thats for sure.

Safest way is always guild stores, even CoD has its flaws try coding a 2m item to someone just to have them sit on it for the 3 days then your out of the CoD commission and those 3 days trying to sell it.

hm And how much time is it needs when your cod comeback if some one is not buy your item? it should be a 24 hour waiting time if soem one is not get your item you recive back. is there something similar in the game?

Takes 3 days to get the item to return if they didn't buy it, and your also out of the CoD fee which you paid for if they didn't buy it.

Roovin · June 2017

Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »

This is why a centralized server wide AH would be best, to stop scammers

Ish, no.

Running around and finding deals is so much better.

TheValar85 · June 2017

Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »

TheValar85 wrote: »

Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »

TheValar85 wrote: »

To be honest the safest way is COD. if some one dosent want to accept my COD terms to do a trading, i simply wont trade with them.
I am sorry ofr your loss to be honest too. i hope ZOs will deal with these guys soon enough.
This is the reason why i avoid face to face trades as well, and mostly using COD. It is secure better then face to face trade trickery thats for sure.

Safest way is always guild stores, even CoD has its flaws try coding a 2m item to someone just to have them sit on it for the 3 days then your out of the CoD commission and those 3 days trying to sell it.

hm And how much time is it needs when your cod comeback if some one is not buy your item? it should be a 24 hour waiting time if soem one is not get your item you recive back. is there something similar in the game?

Takes 3 days to get the item to return if they didn't buy it, and your also out of the CoD fee which you paid for if they didn't buy it.

Well the fee definetly sux it should charge the player who did not bought the item let them learn their lestion.

Cpt_Teemo · June 2017

Roovin wrote: »

Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »

This is why a centralized server wide AH would be best, to stop scammers

Ish, no.

Running around and finding deals is so much better.

Some people don't have the time to go looking around every day to get what they want, most just end up quitting due to the fact this system really is bad tbh.

Shadow_Viper_vX · June 2017

Desmes wrote: »

I don't see it as a scam. Everything was made in law of game. You made offer, they accepted. Only problem is, you made good offer to them and bad offer for yourself. At most you can complain about how poor is Zenimax trade design. It should atleast paint something red or prompt confirm window that you are going to give away item free that has high value or if price was changed by user.

If I would get my account terminated, because someone gave me a free item....well I would do nothing, because I don't want to waste my time on something so small... but if I like had free resources, i would turn this into bile of sh#t for Zenimax, because as I see they took away something I bought and I didn't do anything that goes against game rules. If someone wants to give me free items, I have no obligations to trade it back.

Supporting/Condoning/Enabling Scamming is just as bad and just as against ToS

Roovin · June 2017

While this is a scam, you do share at least some of the blame OP since you failed to check.

Lesson learned and thanks for warning the community

idk · June 2017

Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »

This is why a centralized server wide AH would be best, to stop scammers

@Kyle1983b14_ESO it would have zero affect on preventing this type of scam. It would make it easier for the scammers to find players to scam if everything was listed in one location.

OP, sorry you got scammed on such a sweet item.

Cpt_Teemo · June 2017

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »

This is why a centralized server wide AH would be best, to stop scammers

@Kyle1983b14_ESO it would have zero affect on preventing this type of scam. It would make it easier for the scammers to find players to scam if everything was listed in one location.

OP, sorry you got scammed on such a sweet item.

True, but it also persuades people not to delist their items as well since they know someones always watching it

Roovin · June 2017

Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »

Roovin wrote: »

Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »

This is why a centralized server wide AH would be best, to stop scammers

Ish, no.

Running around and finding deals is so much better.

Some people don't have the time to go looking around every day to get what they want, most just end up quitting due to the fact this system really is bad tbh.

Meh. A centralized auction house would pretty much kill a ton of dedicated trading guilds. Lots of these guilds survive by buying and reselling.

And there are ways to find what you need in minutes using

https://us.tamrieltradecentre.com/pc/Trade

Cpt_Teemo · June 2017

Roovin wrote: »

Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »

Roovin wrote: »

Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »

This is why a centralized server wide AH would be best, to stop scammers

Ish, no.

Running around and finding deals is so much better.

Some people don't have the time to go looking around every day to get what they want, most just end up quitting due to the fact this system really is bad tbh.

Meh. A centralized auction house would pretty much kill a ton of dedicated trading guilds. Lots of these guilds survive by buying and reselling.

And there are ways to find what you need in minutes using

https://us.tamrieltradecentre.com/pc/Trade

Yeah TTC has listings but it doesn't say if the item gets sold or not that's the flaw.

Shadow_Viper_vX · June 2017

Roovin wrote: »

Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »

Roovin wrote: »

Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »

This is why a centralized server wide AH would be best, to stop scammers

Ish, no.

Running around and finding deals is so much better.

Some people don't have the time to go looking around every day to get what they want, most just end up quitting due to the fact this system really is bad tbh.

Meh. A centralized auction house would pretty much kill a ton of dedicated trading guilds. Lots of these guilds survive by buying and reselling.

And there are ways to find what you need in minutes using

https://us.tamrieltradecentre.com/pc/Trade

Any equivalent for consoles?

Zalicius · June 2017

CaptainBeerDude wrote: »

Scamming is part of the game. It is built in to how trading works. It sucks to have it happen to you though.

No, it's not. From another thread:

ZOS_AlanG wrote: »

Scamming is a violation of the Terms of Service, and we treat any reports of scamming very seriously. To protect individual privacy, we do not disclose the outcome of our investigations, and all disciplinary actions taken in-game and on the forums are private.

Scammers, and other troublemakers, can be reported in-game and on our help portal. When reporting a player, it’s helpful to have evidence of the exchange and how it fell through, so please send along any documentation you have. Additionally, if you are playing on a console, you can contact Sony / Microsoft directly for more information on how to ignore or report a player who you feel is in violation of Sony or Microsoft’s Terms of Service.

The trading market in ESOTU is a buyer beware market, especially when operating outside the trade window. Please be aware that trading with another player in game is a risk. While most players are upfront and honest, there are some players who have dishonest intentions.

Roovin · June 2017

Shadow_Viper_vX wrote: »

Roovin wrote: »

Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »

Roovin wrote: »

Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »

This is why a centralized server wide AH would be best, to stop scammers

Ish, no.

Running around and finding deals is so much better.

Some people don't have the time to go looking around every day to get what they want, most just end up quitting due to the fact this system really is bad tbh.

Meh. A centralized auction house would pretty much kill a ton of dedicated trading guilds. Lots of these guilds survive by buying and reselling.

And there are ways to find what you need in minutes using

https://us.tamrieltradecentre.com/pc/Trade

Any equivalent for consoles?

Not until Sony or Microsoft add-ons :'(

LadyHeloise · June 2017

drakhan2002_ESO wrote: »

Invincible wrote: »

It's not a scam if you hit submit

I agree with you on this; the OP *should* not have hit submit. Yes, he was tricked, but he did hit the Submit button without the first verifying the gold was in the trade window.

If the scammer had not been scamming they would have noticed the OP's mistake and sent the cash afterwards, not just disappeared off and blocked them. At the best the scammer is dishonest and a thief - victim blaming does not help here.

ADarklore · June 2017

ZOS has said numerous times they will NOT get involved in this type of situation; they have also said repeatedly that trading is 'at your own risk'. If a player is telling you that they are trying to avoid paying a guild fee, that is usually a HUGE indicator that they are not trustworthy. If you're a member of a guild and are outright trying to short-change them, it should tell you what type of person that they are. AVOID and BLOCK them!!!

Cpt_Teemo · June 2017

ADarklore wrote: »

ZOS has said numerous times they will NOT get involved in this type of situation; they have also said repeatedly that trading is 'at your own risk'. If a player is telling you that they are trying to avoid paying a guild fee, that is usually a HUGE indicator that they are not trustworthy. If you're a member of a guild and are outright trying to short-change them, it should tell you what type of person that they are. AVOID and BLOCK them!!!

Yeah I hardly ever do face to face anymore but there are some people I trust like the person recently I bought the last 8 motifs of the Ordinator in trade 4 at a time and double checked and both sets of 4 went through without a problem, but other than that I don't trust face to face anymore, all guild store or nothing mostly.

Roovin · June 2017

Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »

Roovin wrote: »

Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »

Roovin wrote: »

Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »

This is why a centralized server wide AH would be best, to stop scammers

Ish, no.

Running around and finding deals is so much better.

Some people don't have the time to go looking around every day to get what they want, most just end up quitting due to the fact this system really is bad tbh.

Meh. A centralized auction house would pretty much kill a ton of dedicated trading guilds. Lots of these guilds survive by buying and reselling.

And there are ways to find what you need in minutes using

https://us.tamrieltradecentre.com/pc/Trade

Yeah TTC has listings but it doesn't say if the item gets sold or not that's the flaw.

Sort it by most recent and 99% of the time you'll be able to find what you are looking for and have it actually be available.

I just don't like a centralized AH since it heavily favors those who can clear the best content in the game and/or play all the time. The way it is now you can spend 30 minutes looking for deals and make tons of money. Heck, yesterday I bought something for 18k and resold it for 330k

. Buying and reselling is a game in and of itself. It's fun for a lot of people.

Obviously you don't like it and that's fine. We all have different tastes.

antihero727 · June 2017

Alanar wrote: »

Here's a warning to the ESO community about a current in-game scam.

I was contacted on two successive days by a player who wanted to buy a high-value item (Attunable Blacksmithing Station) but wanted to trade in person to save the guild store fees. I had one on hand, so I agreed. They then grouped with me, met up, I placed the item in the trade window, they put in the gold, and then I submitted and they canceled. This repeated twice (I thought the trade system was glitching as it has in the past) and then I submitted before they put in the gold and they ran off with the item. They then immediately ignored me so I couldn't whisper them and haven't been heard from since.

I know this sort of cheating has gone on in the past, however this player showed a higher degree of sophistication than most. They specifically targeted me because I had a high-value item listed on a top guild trader (ETU on PC / NA), and they messages me on two consecutive days. If they did this once to me, I can only expect that they will continue to do this to others until their crimes catch up with them. For now, I would recommend never trading with strangers directly, and instead using guild stores for sales to avoid scams.

For ZOS, I have reported this player using the in game system, I hope you address this promptly. In either case, I'll report the results of my support experience here as well.

The incident was told to our 500 person guild last night and people like this are blacklisted from trading guilds all the time. Sorry about your loss but the word has got around.

Zalicius · June 2017

ADarklore wrote: »

ZOS has said numerous times they will NOT get involved in this type of situation; they have also said repeatedly that trading is 'at your own risk'. If a player is telling you that they are trying to avoid paying a guild fee, that is usually a HUGE indicator that they are not trustworthy. If you're a member of a guild and are outright trying to short-change them, it should tell you what type of person that they are. AVOID and BLOCK them!!!

Again, they will get involved because it's against the ToS.

Posting again:

ZOS_AlanG wrote: »

Scamming is a violation of the Terms of Service, and we treat any reports of scamming very seriously. To protect individual privacy, we do not disclose the outcome of our investigations, and all disciplinary actions taken in-game and on the forums are private.

Scammers, and other troublemakers, can be reported in-game and on our help portal. When reporting a player, it’s helpful to have evidence of the exchange and how it fell through, so please send along any documentation you have. Additionally, if you are playing on a console, you can contact Sony / Microsoft directly for more information on how to ignore or report a player who you feel is in violation of Sony or Microsoft’s Terms of Service.

The trading market in ESOTU is a buyer beware market, especially when operating outside the trade window. Please be aware that trading with another player in game is a risk. While most players are upfront and honest, there are some players who have dishonest intentions.

ADarklore · June 2017

Zalicius wrote: »

ADarklore wrote: »

ZOS has said numerous times they will NOT get involved in this type of situation; they have also said repeatedly that trading is 'at your own risk'. If a player is telling you that they are trying to avoid paying a guild fee, that is usually a HUGE indicator that they are not trustworthy. If you're a member of a guild and are outright trying to short-change them, it should tell you what type of person that they are. AVOID and BLOCK them!!!

Again, they will get involved because it's against the ToS.

Posting again:

ZOS_AlanG wrote: »

Scamming is a violation of the Terms of Service, and we treat any reports of scamming very seriously. To protect individual privacy, we do not disclose the outcome of our investigations, and all disciplinary actions taken in-game and on the forums are private.

Scammers, and other troublemakers, can be reported in-game and on our help portal. When reporting a player, it’s helpful to have evidence of the exchange and how it fell through, so please send along any documentation you have. Additionally, if you are playing on a console, you can contact Sony / Microsoft directly for more information on how to ignore or report a player who you feel is in violation of Sony or Microsoft’s Terms of Service.

The trading market in ESOTU is a buyer beware market, especially when operating outside the trade window. Please be aware that trading with another player in game is a risk. While most players are upfront and honest, there are some players who have dishonest intentions.

Read carefully what he said... it's double-speak. You cannot say, "Scamming is a violation of ToS" and then go on to say, "The trading market in ESOTU is a buyer beware market, especially when operating outside the trade window. Please be aware that trading with another player in game is a risk." Which ties into what I've seen written here by ZOS numerous times... that they will not get involved with trade disputes because they've noted it as 'at your own risk'.

Wrecking_Blow_Spam · June 2017

The people advocating this are either trolls or unaware how this scam works.
It is a scam, so can the people saying it's OPs fault please stfu.

The scam goes like:
- Step 1: Both parties place their item in the trade box (non submitted)
- Step 2: The scammer hits submit (his gold is now submitted)
- Step 3: You hit submit
- Step 4: Despite his gold being submitted you recieve no gold

This is a scam. There's a way for him to move remove his gold and still recieve the item without giving you a chance to react.

As others said unless you trust them; Always trade in COD.

Merlin13KAGL · June 2017

Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

For people who want to trade directly rather than using a guild store there's the COD option in the mail system. If being asked for an item from a stranger, insist on using this method rather than the trading system. It really sucks that there are so many dishonest people in the world but all that you can do is safeguard yourself to the best of your ability.

Even CoD is not 100% legit either, they could sit on the item for the 3 days before its mailed back, its not as bad as completely losing it but still sucks, also you lose out on the CoD fee as well if it was a high ticket item that could cost quite a bit

Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »

Takes 3 days to get the item to return if they didn't buy it, and your also out of the CoD fee which you paid for if they didn't buy it.

@Kyle1983b14_ESO , this is 100% wrong. If the item is returned, either by the receiver denying it or from 3 days' timeout, you get the COD fee and even the mailing fee back.

It's basically as if the transaction never happened. You're out nothing but time.