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Idea - Reworking the 2H class to be more viable in PvE, and more balanced in PvP

  • Kharnamatic
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    Anyone have the numbers on how a 2h/bow rotation pve does compared to a dw/bow? Why is 2h considered bad for pve?
  • kendellking_chaosb14_ESO
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    I think the only thing that will ever bring two handed into balance is making it high risk, high reward it was made as the heavy armor DPS weapon a 1.5 second cast time for Upper Cut and a Cleve that deals more time the longer it's down.

    If you made two handed work better with tank build then with a DPS set it it would fix a lot with the weapon including buffing Bow to make it possible to main hand a Bow.
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  • acw37162
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    Please explain to me all classes have a gap closer?

    Templar

    Spear charge - Magica Only Morphs

    Sorc

    No Gap Clorer

    DK

    No gar closer

    Night Blade

    Ambush stamina and magica morph

    Fighters Guild

    Silver Leash - Clunky and broken and no fun to use

    Edited by acw37162 on June 4, 2017 4:38PM
  • Olupajmibanan
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    acw37162 wrote: »
    Please explain to me all classes have a gap closer?

    Templar

    Spear charge - Magica Only Morphs

    Sorc

    No Gap Clorer

    DK

    No gar closer

    Night Blade

    Ambush stamina and magica morph

    Fighters Guild

    Silver Leash - Clunky and broken and no fun to use

    Dk - Empowering chains (magicka only),
    Dragon Leap (non spammable gap-closer)

    Sorc - Bolt Escape (situationaly used as gap closer)

    But I agree, removing Crit Charge and even Shield Charge is terrible idea. Don't try to find problems where they aren't. Players always call them cheap gap-closers but in non-CP environment they are one of the most costy skills you use and will drain your stamina quickly if you are forced to use them more than once.

    Uppercut needs rework, I agree with OP. Cleave needs rework, I agree with Op. Berserker strikes needs to be tuned down a little IMO. Maybe some passives need some love but everything other is fine.
    Edited by Olupajmibanan on June 4, 2017 4:53PM
  • Avran_Sylt
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    Oh, Thought that this thread would've died.

    Anyway:
    @acw37162

    All classes have some form of gap closer. Some are more situational than others. Sorc is free fire Bolt escape. DK is pulling the target to you or the leap. NB is ambush. Temp is spear charge. Warden is the inverse of NB with natures grasp.

    Anyway, my stance has changed slightly, I'd keep shield charge in Sword and Board (so stams have a stam charge), but still remove crit charge from the 2H tree.

    Add in the thrust ability.

    Cleave the same as mentioned.

    Uppercut => Riposte: reverse the damage order, moderate damage swing first with a momentum carrying uppercut at the end of the downward arc.
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