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Holy *beep*.. It just sunk in. Stam toon!! What happened?! I've lost that loving feeling..

GreenhaloX
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I just realize, with yesterday's gameplay, on how much stam abilities have been nerfed, and reality has just sunked in for me. Yes, I have seen post/threads here and there on stam toons being nerfed; however, for the past several of months, I was mainly focused on leveling up the nine new toons I have since created and was not rolling around with my main maxed out StamDK toon. Even after I have leveled/reached level 50 on some of my new toons, which automatically bumps it up to max CP, I practically took that my dps or any single damage on target strike appeared to be lower, is because all my gear are purple. Plus, all my toons are on treasure hunter mode, so all resources are much lower than normal. Of course, you get a good bump to stats when you gold out everything.

So, yesterday, I had to my boy out for a romp, for old times sake; my foundation toon of this game, the maxed out everything StamDK which I have seen single strike numbers from the Wrecking Blow consistently in the 20k damages as well as into the mid-to-higher 30k and even seen here and there in the 40k damages. Yet, with a couple hours yesterday of tearing up PvE land, I rarely was seeing strikes hitting into the 20k. I was like what the hell. So, I decided to check out my stats. Then, I realized practically all my stam skills are lower in numbers. The coveted Wrecking Blow, I can remember, previously was at its base of 16k. Now, it's showing 12k. Wtf?!! Venomous Claw has dropped about 1k points. Yeah, from the previous nerfing of the Rearming Trap, I switched over to Lightweight, which previously was about 4500ish when triggered, but now it's showing 3900. Flawless Dawnbreaker has dropped about 3000 points. Noxious Breath and Bow skills/abilities have all dropped in numbers. What the hell, man?!

I then checked out the stats of my other stam toons. All skills have dropped in numbers. I had previously also a maxed out Breton StamPlar, but decided and had to do a toon suicide on that one because the BoL is poor (with only around 4k points) and resurrected a Nord StamPlar which the BoL is much better at 6kish points, in its place. Then, the BoL for this Nord StamPlar has since dropped to 4k. Wtf?!! I was rolling through world bosses with this Nord StamPlar when it was scrub level nothing 5. All the points of the other Templar stam skills, such as Biting Jabs, Power of the Light, and such, have all been reduced. Wtf, man?!! Oh *beeping* *beep* shite! Dammit, man!! Then seeing the stats on my tank, which has the 2h.. the Wrecking Blow, maxed out, is just showing 6785 physical damge. Wtf.. aaaahhhhhhh! I want to scream! Flawless Dawnbreaker, maxed out, is just 5800 with only 7000 additional. Wtf!! Piercing armor is only 2600, whereas it should be around 4-5k. Wtf, man.. this is too much! Why all these damn nerfing?!! or did I get hacked or something.. wtf?!!

What is up with this game and MMO?!! I had truly enjoyed ESO, for the past year and the half or so, despite have to deal with lags, crashes and other maintenance/technical dysfunctions and debacles that are always occurring, but this is just too crazy. What the hell, man?! Ha ha. This is too much. How the hell am I supposed to enjoy this game any further when all my Stam toons have been nerfed to shred.. and Morrowind hasn't even hit yet for console yet. Yes, I do have 2 maxed out majicka toons, but I am stam guy, by nature. Yes, I get it. You all Zen, ZOS, developers, whatnots, want to glorify Wardens and Morrowind in order to attract more to drop whatever 40 bucks into it, but damn, for me, I would have if I am still enjoying the game. By nerfing all these stam skills/abilities, you're actually causing an adverse effect for me. Hell no, I'm not dropping 40 bucks on Morrowind, after this!

However, I would like to thank you, ZOS, Zenimax, whoever, though, for showing me the light. I was getting too addictive to ESO anyways. Now, I can actually go cold turkey, like I did with cigarettes many years ago and never looked back. I can actually do the same with ESO. I thought, maybe, it would take ESO to get shut down somehow on its own accord by Zen/ZOS, whoever, in order for me to get out of ESO. Yet, here it is.. the guiding light. Thank you, Zen/ZOS, whoever. It has been a hell of a good run for a single game for me; holy crap, I've never been in one single game for this long, in all my entire long gameplay life. Sadly, I know.. all good things must come to an end. It just sunk in for me. I've just lost that loving feeling.. Can't say good-bye; I don't even do that in real life, but peace will have to do. Peace to you all, my gaming brothers and sisters.. Also, yeah, to all you sorry arse trolls, peace be with you as well.
  • Coilbox
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    Stamina is not in a good position at the moment indeed, it needs some love... But the warden is not that good either, stamina warden is... well, stamina, not too bad, not good. And the magicka version is just very weak at the moment too... It can pull average-low ish numbers. It's fun to play tho' in my opinion.

    Anyway, im with you... Dont really like the nerf way everything looks to be going.

    Peace with you!
    Comrade, a word...
  • Voxicity
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    So basically this is a good bye thread with a load of nonsense to disguise it so it won't get locked/removed?

    Cya!
    Edited by Voxicity on June 3, 2017 1:03PM
  • Gargath
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    I'd say that stamina based werewolf builds are still very strong and I see no difference before and after.

    Anyway, I like the nerf, it brought some fresh air to this game, you just need to adapt and find a new niche for yourself, with builds, champ points and gears ah and change the playing style :).
    Edited by Gargath on June 3, 2017 1:06PM
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  • Mashille
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    Quick! I need to ask before Sig or Emily get here!

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  • UppGRAYxDD
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    Give me your stuff...
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  • Araviel2
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    i see someone who had all their points into mighty and missed that they changed the champion tree.
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  • Asharin
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    Araviel2 wrote: »
    i see someone who had all their points into mighty and missed that they changed the champion tree.

    I was just going to say, did the OP check to see if he'd redone his CP?
  • Coilbox
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    Voxicity wrote: »
    So basically this is a good bye thread with a load of nonsense to disguise it so it won't get locked/removed?

    Cya!

    He explained his experience with his stamina characters and what has happened to stamina characters over time... which is widely open to discussion... something that in the end apparently is getting him to leave or take a break from the game.

    Your reply is useless, doesnt bring anything to the subject and sounds like if it would come from a bored troll kid.
    Comrade, a word...
  • F7sus4
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    Coilbox wrote: »
    Stamina is not in a good position at the moment indeed, it needs some love..
    When thinking back about the past 3 years... was it actually in a good position for more than a brief moment even once?

    Yeah...

  • Sigma957
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    My stam sorc says something differently she still hits hard as ever before and using dawnbreaker of smiting is just a too good of a ulti to pass up. :wink:
  • Judgedread101071
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    Coilbox wrote: »
    Voxicity wrote: »
    So basically this is a good bye thread with a load of nonsense to disguise it so it won't get locked/removed?

    Cya!

    He explained his experience with his stamina characters and what has happened to stamina characters over time... which is widely open to discussion... something that in the end apparently is getting him to leave or take a break from the game.

    Your reply is useless, doesnt bring anything to the subject and sounds like if it would come from a bored troll kid.

    Sadly there are WAY too many of those little trolls in the forums.
  • Khenarthi
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    People complained stuff was faceroll easy. Stuff got adjusted, people complain they do less damage.

    Moral of the story: unless something is really broken, just roll with it. Complaining makes it worse.
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  • Voxicity
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    Coilbox wrote: »
    Voxicity wrote: »
    So basically this is a good bye thread with a load of nonsense to disguise it so it won't get locked/removed?

    Cya!

    He explained his experience with his stamina characters and what has happened to stamina characters over time... which is widely open to discussion... something that in the end apparently is getting him to leave or take a break from the game.

    Your reply is useless, doesnt bring anything to the subject and sounds like if it would come from a bored troll kid.

    It's a goodbye thread. Goodbye threads aren't permitted on the forums...
  • SHADOW2KK
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    Adapt OP, like all of us since Morrowind came out.

    Personally my stam builds hit harder than they did.
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  • Ajantisz
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    Khenarthi wrote: »
    People complained stuff was faceroll easy. Stuff got adjusted, people complain they do less damage.

    Moral of the story: unless something is really broken, just roll with it. Complaining makes it worse.

    I was all for things being harder, but from what I have played so far of the MW content the ZoS philosophy to increasing difficulty and adding challenge isnt by adding lots of new and interesting monster attacks that punish but can be dealt with, it is all just increase pack size, make everything spawn adds, and almost every even the lowest *** tier of trash mob has stuns, knocks and roots. Basically all those "crowd controls" given to players because we are often outnumbered are dolled out to the trash mobs now along with gap closers too (I think the one they have given to the range mobs who root, then charge with the knockback and stun is really cheap). It isnt uncommon in a public dungeon now to have to use breakfree twice if not more in a regular trash pack of 4 enemies. It was a bit disappointing and frustrating to find Im dealing less damage, have faster resource burn when doing it while also have to burn stamina with breakfree or roll dodging all the time. I actually think vMA is less punishing compared to some of the *** CC combos you can encounter in regular trash.
  • Lexxypwns
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    Stan builds weren't even significantly nerfed in homestead, I'm not sure what OP is talking about
  • Tonnopesce
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    GreenhaloX wrote: »
    I just realize, with yesterday's gameplay, on how much stam abilities have been nerfed, and reality has just sunked in for me. Yes, I have seen post/threads here and there on stam toons being nerfed; however, for the past several of months, I was mainly focused on leveling up the nine new toons I have since created and was not rolling around with my main maxed out StamDK toon. Even after I have leveled/reached level 50 on some of my new toons, which automatically bumps it up to max CP, I practically took that my dps or any single damage on target strike appeared to be lower, is because all my gear are purple. Plus, all my toons are on treasure hunter mode, so all resources are much lower than normal. Of course, you get a good bump to stats when you gold out everything.

    So, yesterday, I had to my boy out for a romp, for old times sake; my foundation toon of this game, the maxed out everything StamDK which I have seen single strike numbers from the Wrecking Blow consistently in the 20k damages as well as into the mid-to-higher 30k and even seen here and there in the 40k damages. Yet, with a couple hours yesterday of tearing up PvE land, I rarely was seeing strikes hitting into the 20k. I was like what the hell. So, I decided to check out my stats. Then, I realized practically all my stam skills are lower in numbers. The coveted Wrecking Blow, I can remember, previously was at its base of 16k. Now, it's showing 12k. Wtf?!! Venomous Claw has dropped about 1k points. Yeah, from the previous nerfing of the Rearming Trap, I switched over to Lightweight, which previously was about 4500ish when triggered, but now it's showing 3900. Flawless Dawnbreaker has dropped about 3000 points. Noxious Breath and Bow skills/abilities have all dropped in numbers. What the hell, man?!

    I then checked out the stats of my other stam toons. All skills have dropped in numbers. I had previously also a maxed out Breton StamPlar, but decided and had to do a toon suicide on that one because the BoL is poor (with only around 4k points) and resurrected a Nord StamPlar which the BoL is much better at 6kish points, in its place. Then, the BoL for this Nord StamPlar has since dropped to 4k. Wtf?!! I was rolling through world bosses with this Nord StamPlar when it was scrub level nothing 5. All the points of the other Templar stam skills, such as Biting Jabs, Power of the Light, and such, have all been reduced. Wtf, man?!! Oh *beeping* *beep* shite! Dammit, man!! Then seeing the stats on my tank, which has the 2h.. the Wrecking Blow, maxed out, is just showing 6785 physical damge. Wtf.. aaaahhhhhhh! I want to scream! Flawless Dawnbreaker, maxed out, is just 5800 with only 7000 additional. Wtf!! Piercing armor is only 2600, whereas it should be around 4-5k. Wtf, man.. this is too much! Why all these damn nerfing?!! or did I get hacked or something.. wtf?!!

    What is up with this game and MMO?!! I had truly enjoyed ESO, for the past year and the half or so, despite have to deal with lags, crashes and other maintenance/technical dysfunctions and debacles that are always occurring, but this is just too crazy. What the hell, man?! Ha ha. This is too much. How the hell am I supposed to enjoy this game any further when all my Stam toons have been nerfed to shred.. and Morrowind hasn't even hit yet for console yet. Yes, I do have 2 maxed out majicka toons, but I am stam guy, by nature. Yes, I get it. You all Zen, ZOS, developers, whatnots, want to glorify Wardens and Morrowind in order to attract more to drop whatever 40 bucks into it, but damn, for me, I would have if I am still enjoying the game. By nerfing all these stam skills/abilities, you're actually causing an adverse effect for me. Hell no, I'm not dropping 40 bucks on Morrowind, after this!

    However, I would like to thank you, ZOS, Zenimax, whoever, though, for showing me the light. I was getting too addictive to ESO anyways. Now, I can actually go cold turkey, like I did with cigarettes many years ago and never looked back. I can actually do the same with ESO. I thought, maybe, it would take ESO to get shut down somehow on its own accord by Zen/ZOS, whoever, in order for me to get out of ESO. Yet, here it is.. the guiding light. Thank you, Zen/ZOS, whoever. It has been a hell of a good run for a single game for me; holy crap, I've never been in one single game for this long, in all my entire long gameplay life. Sadly, I know.. all good things must come to an end. It just sunk in for me. I've just lost that loving feeling.. Can't say good-bye; I don't even do that in real life, but peace will have to do. Peace to you all, my gaming brothers and sisters.. Also, yeah, to all you sorry arse trolls, peace be with you as well.

    I don't want to look like a troll or something but, have you put back the champion points? You know they have been re-set after the patch, I'm telling you this cuz since the patch my stamplar is hitting like a truck and it feels strange that you have lost damage since the nerf was only regard sustain
    Edited by Tonnopesce on June 3, 2017 3:19PM
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  • Royaji
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    Stam builds are actually in a very good place. They have good damage and decent survivability. New caltrops are OP, Blade Cloak got a nice buff and specifically on stamDKs heavy attack builds are very strong. Heck you can even bring a 2H in vTrial and not be completely carried. I really don't see an issue here.
  • Vasoka
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    TL:DR -

    My OP toon got nerfed, so I went to whine on the forums about how I am going to quit and be a little drama queen.

    Not this again.
  • DHale
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    The nerfs were all intentional, people were getting wrecked in Cyrodil and instead of learning to play they go to the forums to complain. ZOS becoming more care bear to accommodate the try hard crowd.... and here we are.
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  • GreenhaloX
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    Arrrrgggghhhhh...!! Allah, Buddha, Yahweh, Vishnu, Jesus Christ.. whoever your God may be, why have you let this happen?!! Arrrrgggghhhhh!!
  • LadyLavina
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    > holy *beep*


    I cringed...so hard
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  • GreenhaloX
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    Vasoka wrote: »
    TL:DR -

    My OP toon got nerfed, so I went to whine on the forums about how I am going to quit and be a little drama queen.

    Not this again.

    Drama.. bro. It's part of life and this forum. It's what sells (well, also Jerry Springer and Dr. Phil.) Deal with it, or hit the highway!
  • Korah_Eaglecry
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    Voxicity wrote: »
    Coilbox wrote: »
    Voxicity wrote: »
    So basically this is a good bye thread with a load of nonsense to disguise it so it won't get locked/removed?

    Cya!

    He explained his experience with his stamina characters and what has happened to stamina characters over time... which is widely open to discussion... something that in the end apparently is getting him to leave or take a break from the game.

    Your reply is useless, doesnt bring anything to the subject and sounds like if it would come from a bored troll kid.

    It's a goodbye thread. Goodbye threads aren't permitted on the forums...

    Neither is disruptive comments that dont add to the discussion.
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  • Voxicity
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    Voxicity wrote: »
    Coilbox wrote: »
    Voxicity wrote: »
    So basically this is a good bye thread with a load of nonsense to disguise it so it won't get locked/removed?

    Cya!

    He explained his experience with his stamina characters and what has happened to stamina characters over time... which is widely open to discussion... something that in the end apparently is getting him to leave or take a break from the game.

    Your reply is useless, doesnt bring anything to the subject and sounds like if it would come from a bored troll kid.

    It's a goodbye thread. Goodbye threads aren't permitted on the forums...

    Neither is disruptive comments that dont add to the discussion.

    It is not a discussion if it's an illegal thread. It is literally a goodbye thread, which isn't allowed on the forums. No matter how salty you are about the sustain nerfs (which are amazing, might I add), the fact still remains that this thread should not be on the forums.
  • Izaki
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    Hmmm.... You look like you forgot to change the CP.
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  • GreenhaloX
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    Hmmm.... You look like you forgot to change the CP.

    Nope. No changes on the CP. It's all still in place.

    Anywho.. it seemed a few have pointed out that this may appear to be some sort of a good-bye thread. Although, yeah, it can be perceived as such by some. Hey man, if this thread get closed or lock by ZOS, then it's cool, whatever. They know what's what. I said my piece (yes, with a bit of flare and drama, but it's life) and voiced how I am ever so against nerfing and now seeing how much my StamDK and other stam toons have been diminished. It's a bit of a shell-shocker. On the leaving part (not that it will make any dent to ESO or worth much to some or many); however, for the sake of a conversation piece, I'm still on the fence. The big thing is, it is a bit difficult, doesn't matter how jacked up this game is perceived by many, to leave my fine arse female toons. Well, damn, ZOS, Zen, developers, whoever that power may be, you guys done hell of a fine job with the graphics and quality of the toons. All my female toons are practically all supermodels and much more fine than most women that I know in real life. I apologize in advance for those who may perceive this as being sexist; I'm really not. I like the look of women, real or in-game. Yes, yes.. get a life. I'm trying.. dammit. Ha ha
  • Coilbox
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    Voxicity wrote: »
    Voxicity wrote: »
    Coilbox wrote: »
    Voxicity wrote: »
    So basically this is a good bye thread with a load of nonsense to disguise it so it won't get locked/removed?

    Cya!

    He explained his experience with his stamina characters and what has happened to stamina characters over time... which is widely open to discussion... something that in the end apparently is getting him to leave or take a break from the game.

    Your reply is useless, doesnt bring anything to the subject and sounds like if it would come from a bored troll kid.

    It's a goodbye thread. Goodbye threads aren't permitted on the forums...

    Neither is disruptive comments that dont add to the discussion.

    It is not a discussion if it's an illegal thread. It is literally a goodbye thread, which isn't allowed on the forums. No matter how salty you are about the sustain nerfs (which are amazing, might I add), the fact still remains that this thread should not be on the forums.

    'An illegal thread..'. careful with the forum Sheriff xD

    Aye kiddo, let the forum moderators moderate if its needed, thats what they get paid for, they dont need your patrolling services and accusations.

    In any case, the OP was more pointing out the huge gap between Magicka and Stamina builds dps wise, which is interesting and as i said, open to discuss... He was also talking about the nerfs in a negative way (his opinion that some other people share) but that was not the main subject.
    Comrade, a word...
  • Galwylin
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    I'm just playing another game instead. Not quitting ESO but its changed or I've changed. In any case, I have started to even miss those daily log ins to train all the horses. Its just meh at the moment. Plus, it doesn't advance. If I quit for a year, I just come back and there will be more to do but I'll be no more or less able to play with others unless they hide stuff behind some paywall or something. Maybe make drops way beyond what they are now. Stuff like that. There's no danger in leaving because there's really no advancement. Just relearning the same things over.
  • davey1107
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    Yes you got nerfed. They didn't nerf your "force of the whine" ultimate, tho. Lol.

    The CP power creep was creating performance beyond the game's intent - unlimited resources, overly high damage, classes not constrained by their intended weaknesses.

    This new update brought everyone back a bit. Your DK isn't intended to go around spamming WB and doing 40k hits. You'll have to adapt, be smart about skill bars and resource use, and consider how best to allocate CPs based on your play style. If you give it a chance instead of demanding you be handed an easy button, who knows, you might like it.
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