ZOS, please stop it with the limited time sales.

Absolut_Turkey · June 2017

Uh...learning to budget your money FTW?

MasturCheef · June 2017

BuddyAces wrote: »

Yet I've seen an extreme amount of people with every exclusive item that they have come out with. Exclusive means small. Nothing about what they have released is exclusive due to how many you see around.

"I've seen..." Dude, it doesn't matter what YOU see! He won't ever get it, it's pointless.

Actual numbers count, not what you see. Stop being egocentric pl0x, thx. And the actual number of people who bought the last 2 crown-exclusive Homes is most likely extremely small. Price and availability determines exclusiveness. Not your opinion.

Did I mention that I like it that way? It keeps almost all of the scrubs away from owning these items, what makes them more luxurious for me.

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phairdon · June 2017

ZOS will not read this, as they have limited time.

nine9six · June 2017

dday3six · June 2017

starkerealm wrote: »

Avran_Sylt wrote: »

The crown store is gonna become a heavy feature. All aesthetic though. If anything the game WARFRAME is a prime example of a successful version of convenience + aesthetic based in-game purchases. Every game changing thing is achievable via grinding in game, while nearly all cosmetic effects are tied to a player bought currency that can actually be traded between players. So you can even achieve the payed currency by grinding in game and selling to other players.

I can't speak to Warframe directly, but this one is a really fantastic slippery slope that I've seen developers abuse, and with the specific structure of ESO's, "convenience," focus it would be disastrous.

What Cryptic does is, straight up, sell power. Better ships (in STO), better skill options, better gear. It flat out gates more powerful options away from the player unless you cough up some cash... or can get someone else to cough up some cash for you.

Cryptic, and a lot of their fans, can gleefully say, "well, it's not pay to win, because you can 'earn' these things through in game activities." It's pay to win, but gated behind, "well you could have earned it, so it doesn't count."

The selling to other players part is the critical element in all of this. You need to either buy your way in, or get someone else to pay your fare. Either way, the company is getting cash, and can get away with a lot of stuff that you wouldn't believe, because, "well, you could just grind up the currency and sell it to someone."

Cryptic is owned by Perfect World Entertainment, who interestingly enough bought the majority share of Digital Extremes, the developer of Warframe a few years backs.

I'll also say that I played a great deal of Warframe, and while it use to be a pretty good system, it's become a massive grind wall and barter system simulator.

Mettaricana · June 2017

Or cut the 4k mounts price inhalf and offer then all year long bet ya theyd sell a ton more

Rohamad_Ali · June 2017

Their marketing director is 100% Hype Sales . Like a used car salesman .

S1ipperyJim · June 2017

Avran_Sylt wrote: »

The crown store is gonna become a heavy feature. All aesthetic though. If anything the game WARFRAME is a prime example of a successful version of convenience + aesthetic based in-game purchases. Every game changing thing is achievable via grinding in game, while nearly all cosmetic effects are tied to a player bought currency that can actually be traded between players. So you can even achieve the payed currency by grinding in game and selling to other players.

As a long time Warframe player I can tell you this is not correct, there are some weapons only available if you pay cash for them, also Warframe's prime access packages are extremely and ridiculously expensive

Roovin · June 2017

Marto wrote: »

Please, stop it.

I'm not a marketing expert, but does limiting your items to 3-7 days really bring more sales and money? Whatever the answer to that question might be, it's not a good practice for us, the consumers.

More than once I've missed items because I could only afford them a few days after the sale ended. The current system punishes anyone that doesn't have money at any point of the month.

And if you want to make the argument that it makes items "more exclusive", I seriously doubt that making sales 3 days is that much of a difference compared to making it a 14 day sale. I'm fine with rare items, what bothers me is the degree at which this is presented.

Please reconsider the current Crown Store practices.

I am 100% sure ZOS has looked into different marketing strategies and have come to the conclusion that the "limited time sales" are the best way to go.

Wayshuba · June 2017

I will just say it from my viewpoint, as I know many are different.

As a result of the limited sales being so frequent, I have actually reached a point where I have stopped purchasing extra crowns (I am ESO Plus).

Two reasons from my own viewpoint:

1.) The prices for digital goods in the Crown Store are reaching levels of being actually a joke. A $120 island on a limited 4-day release when the entire base game with expansions sells for half as much. That is literally a joke. Or 2,500 Crown limited mounts but the current one is 4,000 Crowns with no rhyme or reason for the massive price hike.

2.) There is literally no reason for so many limited item sales except to drive immediate purchases. I personally have now reached a point where I don't even care about anything that is limited sale. I have liked some of these items, and probably would have purchased them, but I do not need someone telling me now is the only time you can get it. In that case, I will take a pass. Far better to release these permanently and the have sales at times like most retailers do than say we are only selling this for these four days.

Anyway, this approach does cause ZOS to lose quite a bit in sales to a person like me, but I am only one customer. Perhaps it is working in the larger scheme of things for them.

BuddyAces · June 2017

MasturCheef wrote: »

BuddyAces wrote: »

Yet I've seen an extreme amount of people with every exclusive item that they have come out with. Exclusive means small. Nothing about what they have released is exclusive due to how many you see around.

"I've seen..." Dude, it doesn't matter what YOU see! He won't ever get it, it's pointless.
Actual numbers count, not what you see. Stop being egocentric pl0x, thx. And the actual number of people who bought the last 2 crown-exclusive Homes is most likely extremely small. Price and availability determines exclusiveness. Not your opinion.

Did I mention that I like it that way? It keeps almost all of the scrubs away from owning these items, what makes them more luxurious for me.

You think having something in a video game that other folks don't have makes them scrubs. Well, whatever makes you feel good in life I suppose.

Stopnaggin · June 2017

MasturCheef wrote: »

BuddyAces wrote: »

MasturCheef wrote: »

It definitely makes items more exclusive when they offer it just for 3 to 5 days. I like it that way. A 14 days long offer makes no sense, they could offer it for a month or two then.

Seriously? Exclusive?? It's a god forsaken video game for crying out loud. Owning one does not make you exclusive nor does it put stars in the eyes of other players. It's one thing to have something special because you completed a hard achievement or got a lucky rare item but buying one outright??? Give me a freaking break and blow that nonsense out somewhere else. I'll say it again, it's a video game and you're not "exclusive" because you bought a mount.

And before anyone says it, I'm the kind of player who buys this crap because I like it and do not care what other people think of me owning something but I don't feel exclusive with it. Limited time is horse *** in my opinion.

The item - in fact - gets more exclusive the shorter the timespan of it's availability is. Doesn't matter which kind of item. Your argument is invalid, Brochacho.

But none of those are exclusive, they are only limited time. Exclusive being of limited number, like say the mount that you got from Skyrim remastered physical copy only. While the guy who went on a rant is complete off as that is his opinion, it's best to know the difference between limited time and exclusive.

As for the OP and the others in that boat, it's just tough luck. If you can afford something great, if you can't than oh well. That's just life. There are limited time sales everywhere, not just in video games and I see no reason why they should stop because some people feel left out. As for the other post about choosing between gas and a game, yeah if you even have to consider that you should put the controller down and take a break. The whole need of society to think that all things should be equal is nonsense, if I work hard and have it to spend then so be it, if you don't then word harder or find a better job, after all you own nothing in the game not even one pixel. You just rent them untill such time as they see fit to close the servers.

Stopnaggin · June 2017

Wayshuba wrote: »

I will just say it from my viewpoint, as I know many are different.

As a result of the limited sales being so frequent, I have actually reached a point where I have stopped purchasing extra crowns (I am ESO Plus).

Two reasons from my own viewpoint:

1.) The prices for digital goods in the Crown Store are reaching levels of being actually a joke. A $120 island on a limited 4-day release when the entire base game with expansions sells for half as much. That is literally a joke. Or 2,500 Crown limited mounts but the current one is 4,000 Crowns with no rhyme or reason for the massive price hike.

2.) There is literally no reason for so many limited item sales except to drive immediate purchases. I personally have now reached a point where I don't even care about anything that is limited sale. I have liked some of these items, and probably would have purchased them, but I do not need someone telling me now is the only time you can get it. In that case, I will take a pass. Far better to release these permanently and the have sales at times like most retailers do than say we are only selling this for these four days.

Anyway, this approach does cause ZOS to lose quite a bit in sales to a person like me, but I am only one customer. Perhaps it is working in the larger scheme of things for them.

Agree with most, but as you pointed out its only an opinion. I bought the cavern, not for myself but for my guild. Was it expensive, sure, but seeing as how I only play eso I save money by not buying other games. Nothing presented can be considered exclusive only limited time. Thing are only a value if you see the value in it. That is why we have these arguments on here all the time. Just because something isn't worth it to me doesn't mean it's not worth it to someone else.

Roovin · June 2017

Wayshuba wrote: »

I will just say it from my viewpoint, as I know many are different.

As a result of the limited sales being so frequent, I have actually reached a point where I have stopped purchasing extra crowns (I am ESO Plus).

Two reasons from my own viewpoint:

1.) The prices for digital goods in the Crown Store are reaching levels of being actually a joke. A $120 island on a limited 4-day release when the entire base game with expansions sells for half as much. That is literally a joke. Or 2,500 Crown limited mounts but the current one is 4,000 Crowns with no rhyme or reason for the massive price hike.

2.) There is literally no reason for so many limited item sales except to drive immediate purchases. I personally have now reached a point where I don't even care about anything that is limited sale. I have liked some of these items, and probably would have purchased them, but I do not need someone telling me now is the only time you can get it. In that case, I will take a pass. Far better to release these permanently and the have sales at times like most retailers do than say we are only selling this for these four days.

Anyway, this approach does cause ZOS to lose quite a bit in sales to a person like me, but I am only one customer. Perhaps it is working in the larger scheme of things for them.

Why and how does a $120 island effect you in anyway? If you never had any intention of buying it, why are you complaining about it? These are obviously items that only the die-hard fans will buy and quite honestly, if someone is willing to pay that much just for an island home then there is no problem.

High cost cosmetic items are in every MMO

Pwnyridah · June 2017

Love limited time sales...bragging rights, rare collectables. Don't stop ZOS and I'll make it rain!

Betheny · June 2017

It's designed to grab low-willpower impulse buyers, I find this technique quite exploitative.

Kiralyn2000 · June 2017

starkerealm wrote: »

What Cryptic does is, straight up, sell power. Better ships (in STO), better skill options, better gear. It flat out gates more powerful options away from the player unless you cough up some cash... or can get someone else to cough up some cash for you.

Cryptic, and a lot of their fans, can gleefully say, "well, it's not pay to win, because you can 'earn' these things through in game activities." It's pay to win, but gated behind, "well you could have earned it, so it doesn't count."

Hmm. I've rarely seen anyone say bad things about STO's system (actually, I usually see it held up as one of the "free-player friendliest" games out there.) Personally, I've got around a dozen "end-game" ships that I got for free from seasonal events, several that I bought on the in-game auction house for "gold", and another dozen or so that I got from the cash shop via trading farmed currency for "crowns". (Along with half a dozen extra character slots, lots of inventory expansions, and plenty of crown-crate-equivalents.) In total, I think I've spent $40 on the game since 2012. /shrug

MakoFore · June 2017

i would like it if they made every item available again for a time in a rotating basis. so that things i ve missed out on can still be reliably returned to the store every couple of months. not everyone plays every day. i can only come on once a week or so- these days anyway- and it sucks to find out a cool mount of costume has passed and i ve missed out on it forever.

Zardayne · June 2017

Unfortunately they only have so much warehouse space so gettem while they're hot!

Yes the limited time sales are horrible..

CapnPhoton · June 2017

I understand the issue you have with limited time items, however the answer may lie with you, other opportunities to make money or different budgeting.

Wayshuba · June 2017

Roovin wrote: »

Wayshuba wrote: »

I will just say it from my viewpoint, as I know many are different.

As a result of the limited sales being so frequent, I have actually reached a point where I have stopped purchasing extra crowns (I am ESO Plus).

Two reasons from my own viewpoint:

1.) The prices for digital goods in the Crown Store are reaching levels of being actually a joke. A $120 island on a limited 4-day release when the entire base game with expansions sells for half as much. That is literally a joke. Or 2,500 Crown limited mounts but the current one is 4,000 Crowns with no rhyme or reason for the massive price hike.

2.) There is literally no reason for so many limited item sales except to drive immediate purchases. I personally have now reached a point where I don't even care about anything that is limited sale. I have liked some of these items, and probably would have purchased them, but I do not need someone telling me now is the only time you can get it. In that case, I will take a pass. Far better to release these permanently and the have sales at times like most retailers do than say we are only selling this for these four days.

Anyway, this approach does cause ZOS to lose quite a bit in sales to a person like me, but I am only one customer. Perhaps it is working in the larger scheme of things for them.

Why and how does a $120 island effect you in anyway? If you never had any intention of buying it, why are you complaining about it? These are obviously items that only the die-hard fans will buy and quite honestly, if someone is willing to pay that much just for an island home then there is no problem.

High cost cosmetic items are in every MMO

It doesn't effect me and I thought I was clear my comment was strictly in relation to my viewpoint. I was not knocking on anyone who wanted and got it.

Secondly, someday I may have in fact got it, but I am not going to do it on the four days they made it available. Maybe I might have considered it this summer. I probably would have purchased it one day but now ZOS has lost that sale because they only made it available for four days. My point being sometimes limited availability hurts revenue rather than makes it better.

Dark_Dread · June 2017

Wait till all those people that bought that overpriced glowing cat, that was limited time, realize that it is now available from a gambling crate...

Enslaved · June 2017

Marto wrote: »

Please, stop it.

I'm not a marketing expert, but does limiting your items to 3-7 days really bring more sales and money? Whatever the answer to that question might be, it's not a good practice for us, the consumers.

More than once I've missed items because I could only afford them a few days after the sale ended. The current system punishes anyone that doesn't have money at any point of the month.

And if you want to make the argument that it makes items "more exclusive", I seriously doubt that making sales 3 days is that much of a difference compared to making it a 14 day sale. I'm fine with rare items, what bothers me is the degree at which this is presented.

Please reconsider the current Crown Store practices.

This way they trick 10% more ppl that would maybe buy something and lose about 30% of sales due to ppl dont have paydays every day, lol. Zos logic.

Epona222 · June 2017

I can and do buy stuff from the crown store. However I do not have a bottomless pit of money, so I pick and choose. If they would publish the price of crown items beforehand, it would allow me to plan.

Here's exactly what will happen for me this month. I want the fungal monstrosity... ah I mean Tel Galen, but I don't know how much it will cost. Therefore I will NOT buy the dwemer spider mount which is time-limited the week before, in case it will leave me short of crowns for the tower. I may also skip the tower if it is ridiculous $

What I will not be doing, is buying more crowns to buy anything.

But Zeni doesn't care really about whether I get the items I want, they already have the money from the crowns I have sitting unused. They don't care whether I buy one or both of those things. They only care about making sure I run out of crowns so that I buy more of them, and even better if I feel some urgency to buy more before a time-limited item expires, stressed purchase. Hence time-limited offers, hence gamble crates... It's not about the items themselves. It's about getting people to buy more crowns.

Rinmaethodain · June 2017

They make limited time sales because crown store runs out of space and they need to remove some items to make space for new ones.

rhapsodious · June 2017

Limited time sales are a good marketing tactic, but I feel like they should have a... limited... amount of limited-time sales. It annoys me a bit, but whatever, most of the LTO stuff doesn't interest me so I don't buy it just because it's there.

And if you're living paycheck to paycheck or are otherwise broke, you shouldn't be spending your money on digital cosmetics. C'mon. Never understood that line of reasoning. If you can't afford it now, you can't afford it.

Epona222 · June 2017

rhapsodious wrote: »

Limited time sales are a good marketing tactic, but I feel like they should have a... limited... amount of limited-time sales. It annoys me a bit, but whatever, most of the LTO stuff doesn't interest me so I don't buy it just because it's there.

And if you're living paycheck to paycheck or are otherwise broke, you shouldn't be spending your money on digital cosmetics. C'mon. Never understood that line of reasoning. If you can't afford it now, you can't afford it.

Oh please, as long as I have an income I will spend it however I choose, it's my money, not yours.

Korah_Eaglecry · June 2017

The problem with removing the LTS is that it no longer targets the demographic theyre after. Which is the whales that are interested in having the newest flashiest items to show off for friends. These players are willing to pay the exorbitant prices of these things.

Some like the Elk are a miss while others are definitely a hit, dro-m'Athra. Just depends on how the whales feel about the item and how much hype is around it. Players arent going to go after something that wont give them some sort of social prestige or get them noticed in social hubs.

Kildayen · June 2017

If not having enough money to purchase something from the Crown Store is an issue for you, maybe you should consider doing something other than playing video games with your time.

I love the limited time items. It is nice to have something in this game that not everyone else has. It is enough that there is hardly any uniqueness (other than dyes) with the items we can wear on or characters. That is the one thing that I really wish was in this game. That super hard to get item with unique looks and attributes that not everyone can get. I loved it when other games did that. The whole "Ooh look at that staff/sword/armor" is totally missing from this game. Something that will never change, unfortunately.

rhapsodious · June 2017

Epona222 wrote: »

rhapsodious wrote: »

Limited time sales are a good marketing tactic, but I feel like they should have a... limited... amount of limited-time sales. It annoys me a bit, but whatever, most of the LTO stuff doesn't interest me so I don't buy it just because it's there.

And if you're living paycheck to paycheck or are otherwise broke, you shouldn't be spending your money on digital cosmetics. C'mon. Never understood that line of reasoning. If you can't afford it now, you can't afford it.

Oh please, as long as I have an income I will spend it however I choose, it's my money, not yours.

I wasn't talking about disposable income, I'm talking about some of the people here who imply that they'd rather buy a digital house than pay their electric bill and it's the LTO aspect that's deterring them. People living paycheck to paycheck are not the target consumer base for these limited time sales and, therefore, they're not going to cater them to that demographic.