78k Tank.. It does exist.. but how?!!

GreenhaloX · June 2017

Ok, so, this is sort of a spin-off from another OP's recent thread on DK tank, which another posted within that the current META, particularly for vMoL, for a tank is 78-80k hp. I didn't really call bull-shite, but couldn't really believe that such a high hp tank can exist. I do have a tank which was around 60k when that thread was posted, then seeing the reply of how a 78-80k hp tank have been going at it in vMoL (as what were said), I was intrigued to see what are aiding and pushing a tank to that higher health level. So, redoing and tweaking my tank a bit, I am now about to push it to 66k, where it is currently at. Now, this is with 5x Plaque Doctor and 5x Green Pact with two monster pieces that boost 1800 or so max health.; 3 armor (including the Plaque shield) are gold and the rest are still purple. I'm not ready to drop 40 Temps to gold the rest yet. All are reinforced, except for the two monster pieces which are infused. All are gold health enchants for the armors and gold health recovery for the jewelries, and the Lord mundus.

Now, this is my "show" tank, because all other attributes are low and, to me, practically crap. I haven't tank any trial yet with this, but have a lot on world bosses and a few dungeons. Even though this tank is virtually indestructible, I still find a challenge to maintain the blocking, because the stamina pool is so low; particularly, when the dps toons are putting out mediocre damages and I would have to tank a bit longer. Essentially, the longer you have to block, the more stamina are being used up, and since most of recovery are in health recovery, it is a bit daunting waiting for the stam to regen. When you aggro with the Puncture or Pierce Armor, it uses stam. So, with blocking and this aggro, stam are being depleted fast. I don't really use majicka-based aggro. Hell, my majicka pool is even lower. I have to reserve that for Igneous and/or Hardened Armor. Yes, you can pop a portion here and there and use the ultimate to regain some stam and majicka back. Even when my stam are depleted from blocking and I am knocked down by the boss's attacks or getting hit by the aoe, my hp is barely being scratched. So, I'm not worried about my health bar. I can also throw up the Igneous Shield and then wait out for the stam to regen to resume blocking.

So, thinking I have achieved what a tank can truly achieved in health points. Christ, I have my duel option set at auto-declined, because when I roll around with this tank, I get a lot of folks pinging me for either a duel or want to group. Ha ha. Then, all of a sudden (yesterday evening of gameplay), I couldn't believe my eyes. I saw a glimpse of what appeared to be 78k health bar. I thought it was an NPC. I then confirmed it was another tank toon. So, I've seen it with my own eyes; a 78-80k hp tank do exist.. but, how?!! I have seemingly pushed the limit of all health add-ons, armor combos, enchants and whatnot to get it to 66k. If I gold out the remaining 5 pieces, I'll probably hit 68k hp. Even if I go all out infused, I'll probably hit 69 or possibly 70k.. but damn, that tank is 12k more hp than mine. How the hell do you get "12k" more hp?!! It is inconceivably mind-boggling right now. I haven't found any clip on youtube yet on it, or is there any mentioned about it yet via article, thread or posting on the build.

Jonno · June 2017

Entropy on your bar? Use balance from mages guild skill line for magicka sustain and your armour buff get rid of hardened armour use igneous for group shields and stam sustain

Artemiisia · June 2017

plague doctor + war poet

Shad0wfire99 · June 2017

Jonno wrote: »

Entropy on your bar? Use balance from mages guild skill line for magicka sustain and your armour buff get rid of hardened armour use igneous for group shields and stam sustain

Been wondering this myself. Didn't think about Entropy. Thanks for the insight.

Jonno · June 2017

War poet is useless because you get the same buff from warhorn so green pact is better

Jonno · June 2017

Also get rid of the health rec on jewels and use reduced block cost

raj72616a · June 2017

imperial passive, 7x heavy armor, undaunted passive, structured entropy, golded plague doc and greenpact, health food, health enchant, two seperate +health monster set pieces instead of a complete set, war horn, ebon armor on ally.

WalksonGraves · June 2017

You lose far too much for those last few k hp.

GreenhaloX · June 2017

Jonno wrote: »

Also get rid of the health rec on jewels and use reduced block cost

Ahhh.. yeah, I know this, but why I didn't use, I don't know. Thanks, you just gave me a good slap on my head to wake me up a bit.

However, still, can't comprehend this overall max hp of 78K..! Again, which is 12k more than mine, which 65-66k hp is still high enough for a tank, by the way. Really, for an effective tank, you don't need anything more than 45k hp. My other 40k hp hybrid dps/tank does fine at tanking.. but I'm just intrigued now on how to get this extra 12k hp added onto my 66k hp tank. Ha ha

GreenhaloX · June 2017

raj72616a wrote: »

imperial passive, 7x heavy armor, undaunted passive, structured entropy, golded plague doc and greenpact, health food, health enchant, two seperate +health monster set pieces instead of a complete set, war horn, ebon armor on ally.

Nahh. you're not getting up to 60 or 65k hp (without buff or war horn) with Ebon. However, yes, with Imperial passive (which I have), all 7 armor pieces gold out, Undaunted passive, with 5 Plaque and 5 Green Pact, you may get into the 70k, but doesn't explain the other 8k hp. Plus, that 78k hp tank was rolling around in PvE land. No War horn. I followed that toon around for a couple minutes until he (or she) eventually disappeared. No, I wasn't stalking. I was trying to hit him up to group so I can talk to him (or her.)

Nifty2g · June 2017

plague doctor
green pact
health enchants
64 points into health
1pc shadow rend
1pc choke thorn
entropy

i believe thats current meta

WalksonGraves · June 2017

Nifty2g wrote: »

plague doctor
green pact
health enchants
64 points into health
1pc shadow rend
1pc choke thorn
entropy

i believe thats current meta

Both those 1pc bonuses are mag regen which is not what he's asking for.

Arciris · June 2017

As already mentioned: Structured Entropy - Mages Guild skill morph (+8% max hp).
Also Racial passives comes in mind. Imperials are most likely the only guys that can reach 80k hp.
Also food: going for health + stam instead of tri-food nets you about 2k more hp (make sure to have crazy ways to regen magika though - as mentioned above, use Balance for example))

Nifty2g · June 2017

WalksonGraves wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

plague doctor
green pact
health enchants
64 points into health
1pc shadow rend
1pc choke thorn
entropy

i believe thats current meta

Both those 1pc bonuses are mag regen which is not what he's asking for.

its part of the build those guys are running

WalksonGraves · June 2017

Nifty2g wrote: »

WalksonGraves wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

plague doctor
green pact
health enchants
64 points into health
1pc shadow rend
1pc choke thorn
entropy

i believe thats current meta

Both those 1pc bonuses are mag regen which is not what he's asking for.

its part of the build those guys are running

He's trying to figure out max hp not trying to get a viable build. Not that that "meta" build is viable, pure HP stacking is a simple build not a good one.

Rinmaethodain · June 2017

People are tanking just fine with ~50k HP without sacrificing all group set bonuses just to pump up the numbers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IfU6iK1x1VE

I'm little irked how suddenly tanking turned into "whos got bigger" health bar. Sure with shadow ward being only one out of two things worth investing green CP into, stam pool can become significantly lower. Yes there is an group support element to health stacking (bigger igneous shields to 5 group members around you). Yes having bazilion HP looks cool, makes new people wet their pants and gasp in awe when you join a group but going full health stacking having all group synergy sets in disregard is an overkill for me - letting go of alkosh even if DPS in your group miss penetration cap by big margin or taking off ebon when DPS in your group are pure stam/mag stack with no health bonuses - blindly following some meta single-handedly declared by a very vocal person.

Nifty2g · June 2017

WalksonGraves wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

WalksonGraves wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

plague doctor
green pact
health enchants
64 points into health
1pc shadow rend
1pc choke thorn
entropy

i believe thats current meta

Both those 1pc bonuses are mag regen which is not what he's asking for.

its part of the build those guys are running

He's trying to figure out max hp not trying to get a viable build. Not that that "meta" build is viable, pure HP stacking is a simple build not a good one.

current top score of the new trial

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQS8-Yha-jU

why the high health is needed is for stronger shields throughout to counter damage, especially at the end of final boss
other tank runs similar build but with ebon.
alkosh not needed cause of cp changes can put points elsewhere

will this change, yeah most likely but part of progression

WalksonGraves · June 2017

Nifty2g wrote: »

WalksonGraves wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

WalksonGraves wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

plague doctor
green pact
health enchants
64 points into health
1pc shadow rend
1pc choke thorn
entropy

i believe thats current meta

Both those 1pc bonuses are mag regen which is not what he's asking for.

its part of the build those guys are running

He's trying to figure out max hp not trying to get a viable build. Not that that "meta" build is viable, pure HP stacking is a simple build not a good one.

current top score of the new trial
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQS8-Yha-jU

why the high health is needed is for stronger shields throughout to counter damage, especially at the end of final boss
other tank runs similar build but with ebon.
alkosh not needed cause of cp changes can put points elsewhere

will this change, yeah most likely but part of progression

Top scores are based on dps builds, tank has very little impact so a terrible gear set up on tank can still hit top score. I laughed so hard when I saw "the new meta" and it's a shieldplar build on a dk.

raj72616a · June 2017

use magicka regen mundus, use health+mag regen food, go vamp, get 2k+ mag regen, and spam your fat igenious shield. you shouldnt need to block much?

Dantaria · June 2017

WalksonGraves wrote: »

Top scores are based on dps builds, tank has very little impact so a terrible gear set up on tank can still hit top score. I laughed so hard when I saw "the new meta" and it's a shieldplar build on a dk.

And here you come again, providing free LOLs

No, top-scrores are not based on dps-builds. They are based on teamwork, the concept you continiously fail to understand.

DDs can't provide s**t, if they are dead, and if there is something that is *** easy in new trial - it's dying.

So FYI: this build, thanks to Balance, can indifinetely provide 10k+ shields to the whole party. Whole. Party. This is exactly the point. And exactly what makes it good for HoF.

And no. The team with "a terrible gear set up on tank" cannot hit top-score. Join the reality already.

Shad0wfire99 · June 2017

MaximusDargus wrote: »

People are tanking just fine with ~50k HP without sacrificing all group set bonuses just to pump up the numbers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IfU6iK1x1VE

I'm little irked how suddenly tanking turned into "whos got bigger" health bar. Sure with shadow ward being only one out of two things worth investing green CP into, stam pool can become significantly lower. Yes there is an group support element to health stacking (bigger igneous shields to 5 group members around you). Yes having bazilion HP looks cool, makes new people wet their pants and gasp in awe when you join a group but going full health stacking having all group synergy sets in disregard is an overkill for me - letting go of alkosh even if DPS in your group miss penetration cap by big margin or taking off ebon when DPS in your group are pure stam/mag stack with no health bonuses - blindly following some meta single-handedly declared by a very vocal person.

That guy is dual-wielding and spamming a vamp ability and you're laughing at health builds?

Tenn60 · June 2017

I don't know how it will change after patch, on PS4, but I run my tank at the most usually around 34-35k health. Never found it useful to be a super health build

Voxicity · June 2017

Also infused on everything

Dantaria · June 2017

Also, you guys:

WalksonGraves wrote: »

He's trying to figure out max hp not trying to get a viable build. Not that that "meta" build is viable, pure HP stacking is a simple build not a good one.

MaximusDargus wrote: »

I'm little irked how suddenly tanking turned into "whos got bigger" health bar. Sure with shadow ward being only one out of two things worth investing green CP into, stam pool can become significantly lower. Yes there is an group support element to health stacking (bigger igneous shields to 5 group members around you). Yes having bazilion HP looks cool, makes new people wet their pants and gasp in awe when you join a group but going full health stacking having all group synergy sets in disregard is an overkill for me - letting go of alkosh even if DPS in your group miss penetration cap by big margin or taking off ebon when DPS in your group are pure stam/mag stack with no health bonuses - blindly following some meta single-handedly declared by a very vocal person.

You're just not getting it.

Balance. Balance. The morph of Equilibrium.

With 70k+ hp, you can spam it however much you want and then spam Igneous, which will restore Stamina (DK passive). 70k hp = hella huge party shields and infinite resources thanks to Balance. That is how it works.

Rinmaethodain · June 2017

Shad0wfire99 wrote: »

MaximusDargus wrote: »

People are tanking just fine with ~50k HP without sacrificing all group set bonuses just to pump up the numbers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IfU6iK1x1VE

I'm little irked how suddenly tanking turned into "whos got bigger" health bar. Sure with shadow ward being only one out of two things worth investing green CP into, stam pool can become significantly lower. Yes there is an group support element to health stacking (bigger igneous shields to 5 group members around you). Yes having bazilion HP looks cool, makes new people wet their pants and gasp in awe when you join a group but going full health stacking having all group synergy sets in disregard is an overkill for me - letting go of alkosh even if DPS in your group miss penetration cap by big margin or taking off ebon when DPS in your group are pure stam/mag stack with no health bonuses - blindly following some meta single-handedly declared by a very vocal person.

That guy is dual-wielding and spamming a vamp ability and you're laughing at health builds?

That guy is dual-wielding and spamming vamp ability and yet they clear vHOF HM while, of course not here, but in other places im already hearing how people claim that any tank build without 70k HP is bad no meta bye bye.

Dantaria wrote: »

Also, you guys:

WalksonGraves wrote: »

He's trying to figure out max hp not trying to get a viable build. Not that that "meta" build is viable, pure HP stacking is a simple build not a good one.

MaximusDargus wrote: »

I'm little irked how suddenly tanking turned into "whos got bigger" health bar. Sure with shadow ward being only one out of two things worth investing green CP into, stam pool can become significantly lower. Yes there is an group support element to health stacking (bigger igneous shields to 5 group members around you). Yes having bazilion HP looks cool, makes new people wet their pants and gasp in awe when you join a group but going full health stacking having all group synergy sets in disregard is an overkill for me - letting go of alkosh even if DPS in your group miss penetration cap by big margin or taking off ebon when DPS in your group are pure stam/mag stack with no health bonuses - blindly following some meta single-handedly declared by a very vocal person.

You're just not getting it.

Balance. Balance. The morph of Equilibrium.

With 70k+ hp, you can spam it however much you want and then spam Igneous, which will restore Stamina (DK passive). 70k hp = hella huge party shields and infinite resources thanks to Balance. That is how it works.

I'm not denying health builds. Im just pointing out few flaws in the way people think, blindly following meta when their own team obviously needs something else. Someone here claimed that "Alkosh is globally useless yet its not - made a survey in my group last week with amounts of penetration they run they would still benefit from Alkosh.

Not to mention that even if newest trial requires higher health tanks to survive incoming damage nothing changed in old trials. Higher igneous shields will help group and with two tanks it might cover whole group (6 meter range for shield and player cap) but when running 1-tank runs without HM's you won't fret about having 77.77k HP when group misses other benefits?

So yeah, the grand point is that sure, there is some "Meta" about tanking but at the same time tanking is most flexible role that makes use for most variety of sets that are picked depending on group needs.

raj72616a · June 2017

GreenhaloX wrote: »

raj72616a wrote: »

imperial passive, 7x heavy armor, undaunted passive, structured entropy, golded plague doc and greenpact, health food, health enchant, two seperate +health monster set pieces instead of a complete set, war horn, ebon armor on ally.

Nahh. you're not getting up to 60 or 65k hp (without buff or war horn) with Ebon. However, yes, with Imperial passive (which I have), all 7 armor pieces gold out, Undaunted passive, with 5 Plaque and 5 Green Pact, you may get into the 70k, but doesn't explain the other 8k hp. Plus, that 78k hp tank was rolling around in PvE land. No War horn. I followed that toon around for a couple minutes until he (or she) eventually disappeared. No, I wasn't stalking. I was trying to hit him up to group so I can talk to him (or her.)

ebon armor on ally, not on yourself

getemshauna · June 2017

Shad0wfire99 wrote: »

MaximusDargus wrote: »

People are tanking just fine with ~50k HP without sacrificing all group set bonuses just to pump up the numbers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IfU6iK1x1VE

I'm little irked how suddenly tanking turned into "whos got bigger" health bar. Sure with shadow ward being only one out of two things worth investing green CP into, stam pool can become significantly lower. Yes there is an group support element to health stacking (bigger igneous shields to 5 group members around you). Yes having bazilion HP looks cool, makes new people wet their pants and gasp in awe when you join a group but going full health stacking having all group synergy sets in disregard is an overkill for me - letting go of alkosh even if DPS in your group miss penetration cap by big margin or taking off ebon when DPS in your group are pure stam/mag stack with no health bonuses - blindly following some meta single-handedly declared by a very vocal person.

That guy is dual-wielding and spamming a vamp ability and you're laughing at health builds?

You are such an ignorant. The "Dual wielding vamp ability spammer" generates insanely amount of ultimate by this way. You
didn't seen probably even the enterance of vHoF, so please stop commenting someone's gamestyle.

soll · June 2017

people already answered on question, how to get so much HP, so I will ask another question:
isn't vMoL got farmed just as fine with 27k hp tanks, wearing Alkosh and Ebon with normal monster set (like lord Warden)? why so to push for such an specific and situational build?

Shad0wfire99 · June 2017

gethemshauna wrote: »

Shad0wfire99 wrote: »

MaximusDargus wrote: »

People are tanking just fine with ~50k HP without sacrificing all group set bonuses just to pump up the numbers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IfU6iK1x1VE

I'm little irked how suddenly tanking turned into "whos got bigger" health bar. Sure with shadow ward being only one out of two things worth investing green CP into, stam pool can become significantly lower. Yes there is an group support element to health stacking (bigger igneous shields to 5 group members around you). Yes having bazilion HP looks cool, makes new people wet their pants and gasp in awe when you join a group but going full health stacking having all group synergy sets in disregard is an overkill for me - letting go of alkosh even if DPS in your group miss penetration cap by big margin or taking off ebon when DPS in your group are pure stam/mag stack with no health bonuses - blindly following some meta single-handedly declared by a very vocal person.

That guy is dual-wielding and spamming a vamp ability and you're laughing at health builds?

You are such a ignorant. The "Dual wielding vamp ability spammer" generates insanely amount of ultimate by this way. You
didn't seen probably even the enterance of vHoF, so please stop commenting someone's gamestyle.

I guess if noticing that pretty much every other video of vHoF HM clears out there shows maximum uptime on Warhorn without having to dual-wield and channel makes me "a ignorant," then I guess that's what I am. And I wasn't commenting on anyone's gaming style. Play however you'd like.

xblackroxe · June 2017

soll wrote: »

people already answered on question, how to get so much HP, so I will ask another question:
isn't vMoL got farmed just as fine with 27k hp tanks, wearing Alkosh and Ebon with normal monster set (like lord Warden)? why so to push for such an specific and situational build?

Different patch different meta.

xblackroxe · June 2017

Shad0wfire99 wrote: »

gethemshauna wrote: »

Shad0wfire99 wrote: »

MaximusDargus wrote: »

People are tanking just fine with ~50k HP without sacrificing all group set bonuses just to pump up the numbers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IfU6iK1x1VE

I'm little irked how suddenly tanking turned into "whos got bigger" health bar. Sure with shadow ward being only one out of two things worth investing green CP into, stam pool can become significantly lower. Yes there is an group support element to health stacking (bigger igneous shields to 5 group members around you). Yes having bazilion HP looks cool, makes new people wet their pants and gasp in awe when you join a group but going full health stacking having all group synergy sets in disregard is an overkill for me - letting go of alkosh even if DPS in your group miss penetration cap by big margin or taking off ebon when DPS in your group are pure stam/mag stack with no health bonuses - blindly following some meta single-handedly declared by a very vocal person.

That guy is dual-wielding and spamming a vamp ability and you're laughing at health builds?

You are such a ignorant. The "Dual wielding vamp ability spammer" generates insanely amount of ultimate by this way. You
didn't seen probably even the enterance of vHoF, so please stop commenting someone's gamestyle.

I guess if noticing that pretty much every other video of vHoF HM clears out there shows maximum uptime on Warhorn without having to dual-wield and channel makes me "a ignorant," then I guess that's what I am.

Whats maxium Horn uptime to you?

Cuz whats certainly not maximum uptime is Major Force the thing you actually care about from Horn.