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Warden Level 50 - Disapointed - Average at All
Rackiera
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Got to 50, got my gear, not best in slot but ok, Necro / War Maiden, all Yellow, stats look ok.
BUT, my Templar has better healing utility than the Warden, My Sorc has Better DPS.
Warden seems average at both, so why would anyone in a raid or even a Vet Dungeon choose a Warden.
It's fun to play but does not compete with the others.
Is it me, 'LTP the class' or is anyone else feeling the same ?
BUT, my Templar has better healing utility than the Warden, My Sorc has Better DPS.
Warden seems average at both, so why would anyone in a raid or even a Vet Dungeon choose a Warden.
It's fun to play but does not compete with the others.
Is it me, 'LTP the class' or is anyone else feeling the same ?
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AzraelKrieg✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Jack of all trades, master of none is the warden. I think it's a combination of L2P and the class just not being as a good as everyone hyped and feared.Gold Dragons Guildmaster PC-NACR2000+Kalthar Wolf-Brother – EP Templar - 50 Maeli Valen - EP NB - 50Naps-During-Trials – EP Templar - 50Rulnakh - EP Sorc - 50Azrael Krieg - EP NB – 50Uvithasa Telvanni – EP DK – 50More-Tail - EP Warden - 50Narile Galen - EP Sorc - 50Bone Soldier - EP Necro - 50Naps-During-Trails - EP Necro - 5023 -
Tasear✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Depends how you define good? How you have fun and how you play? Remember a warden is not a Templar nor a sorcerer, nor a dragon knight. It's quite obvious it's not a nightblade.7 -
MLGProPlayer✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭ZOS has acknowledged that the magicka warden is underperforming. They'll be tweaking them. They already buffed them once on the 22nd, but they need more help (DPS is still lagging behind the other classes).Edited by MLGProPlayer on June 2, 2017 8:19AM6 -
Arundo✭✭✭✭✭I thought Warden would wtfown the *** out of the rest of the classes.
So whats on these forum is not always right !? Damn.13 -
strikeback1247✭✭✭✭✭
✭I thought Warden would wtfown the *** out of the rest of the classes.
So whats on these forum is not always right !? Damn.
Seems like the forums are never right. Member when everyone was complaining that the destro ulti would be garbage? I member...P.A.W.S. - Positively Against Wild Sasquatches - NO TO BIGFOOT!25 -
MLGProPlayer✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Muramasa89 wrote: »I recall it being said they'd be a bit of everything to support other classes.
That would make them useless. ESO, like every MMO, is a game of specialization.Edited by MLGProPlayer on June 2, 2017 8:36AM3 -
Jitterbug✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I have said since the xbox magazine class reveal that it was underwhelming and I stand by that. its fun to play though.1 -
AzraelKrieg✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭strikeback1247 wrote: »
Ah, those were the days. And now look at themGold Dragons Guildmaster PC-NACR2000+Kalthar Wolf-Brother – EP Templar - 50 Maeli Valen - EP NB - 50Naps-During-Trials – EP Templar - 50Rulnakh - EP Sorc - 50Azrael Krieg - EP NB – 50Uvithasa Telvanni – EP DK – 50More-Tail - EP Warden - 50Narile Galen - EP Sorc - 50Bone Soldier - EP Necro - 50Naps-During-Trails - EP Necro - 501 -
Coggage✭✭✭✭MLGProPlayer wrote: »Muramasa89 wrote: »I recall it being said they'd be a bit of everything to support other classes.
That would make them useless. ESO, like every MMO, is a game of specialization.
Not if you never join groups, like me. A bit of everything works quite nicely then, for me, anyway.6 -
Epona222✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭MLGProPlayer wrote: »Muramasa89 wrote: »I recall it being said they'd be a bit of everything to support other classes.
That would make them useless. ESO, like every MMO, is a game of specialization.
Not if you never join groups, like me. A bit of everything works quite nicely then, for me, anyway.
It works alright for when a group needs a filler to queue for randoms and an offheal and a bit of support could be useful, but I've not seen anyone lfm for trials because they want a bit of everything but excels at nothing support class.Edited by Epona222 on June 2, 2017 9:03AMGM - Ghost Sea Trading Co - NA PC
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Biro123✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭I thought Warden would wtfown the *** out of the rest of the classes.
So whats on these forum is not always right !? Damn.
Yep, this forum... I just cannot get my head around how much people here will whine, yell and complain about something they haven't even seen or tried yet.Minalan owes me a beer.
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Enslaved✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Got to 50, got my gear, not best in slot but ok, Necro / War Maiden, all Yellow, stats look ok.
BUT, my Templar has better healing utility than the Warden, My Sorc has Better DPS.
Warden seems average at both, so why would anyone in a raid or even a Vet Dungeon choose a Warden.
It's fun to play but does not compete with the others.
Is it me, 'LTP the class' or is anyone else feeling the same ?
So, you wanted P2W class? You wanted to be way better than Sorc damage wise and templar when it comes down to healing? Warden is ok and it has its place in all content, even the end game one.3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭MLGProPlayer wrote: »Muramasa89 wrote: »I recall it being said they'd be a bit of everything to support other classes.
That would make them useless. ESO, like every MMO, is a game of specialization.
Not if you never join groups, like me. A bit of everything works quite nicely then, for me, anyway.
It's fine for solo play, but for endgame group content, you need to excel at a particular role.1 -
kongkim✭✭✭✭✭MLGProPlayer wrote: »Muramasa89 wrote: »I recall it being said they'd be a bit of everything to support other classes.
That would make them useless. ESO, like every MMO, is a game of specialization.
With that logic you can only have 3 classes. 1 best at tanking, 1 at dps and one at healing.2 -
MLGProPlayer✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭MLGProPlayer wrote: »Muramasa89 wrote: »I recall it being said they'd be a bit of everything to support other classes.
That would make them useless. ESO, like every MMO, is a game of specialization.
With that logic you can only have 3 classes. 1 best at tanking, 1 at dps and one at healing.
That's essentially what the mete game is.
But every class needs to be viable in every role for "casual" endgame play. So just because templar, DK, and NB can't match sorc DPS, you can still comfortably complete vet trials with them (you just won't be setting any high scores). The key word there is "comfortably". When a class lags behind the others substantially in a role, it is unviable for endgame content because it makes the experience difficult for your whole team.Edited by MLGProPlayer on June 2, 2017 9:25AM4 -
MattT1988✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭MLGProPlayer wrote: »MLGProPlayer wrote: »Muramasa89 wrote: »I recall it being said they'd be a bit of everything to support other classes.
That would make them useless. ESO, like every MMO, is a game of specialization.
With that logic you can only have 3 classes. 1 best at tanking, 1 at dps and one at healing.
That's essentially what the mete game is.
But every class needs to be viable in every role for "casual" endgame play. So just because templar, DK, and NB can't match sorc DPS, you can still comfortably complete vet trials with them (you just won't be setting any high scores). The key word there is "comfortably". When a class lags behind the others substantially in a role, it is unviable for endgame content because it makes the experience difficult for your whole team.
Well at the end of the day the overwhelming majority of people who play this game couldn't give two *** about the trials leaderboards. So I'm starting to think this class was aimed at the sort of people who pretty much stick to vet dungeons or questing, which I would think is the majority of people who play this game, which is absolutely fine. A class that can do everything and complete all the content, just not as good as the other classes.Edited by MattT1988 on June 2, 2017 9:45AM8 -
malchior✭✭✭✭This is dreadful to hear especially since other classes were 'nerfed', I mean adjusted, to allow the Warden to shine. Even adjusted down, the Templar and Sorcerer are still powerful - says a lot.3 -
GuyNamedSean✭✭✭✭MLGProPlayer wrote: »MLGProPlayer wrote: »Muramasa89 wrote: »I recall it being said they'd be a bit of everything to support other classes.
That would make them useless. ESO, like every MMO, is a game of specialization.
With that logic you can only have 3 classes. 1 best at tanking, 1 at dps and one at healing.
That's essentially what the mete game is.
But every class needs to be viable in every role for "casual" endgame play. So just because templar, DK, and NB can't match sorc DPS, you can still comfortably complete vet trials with them (you just won't be setting any high scores). The key word there is "comfortably". When a class lags behind the others substantially in a role, it is unviable for endgame content because it makes the experience difficult for your whole team.
Well at the end of the day the overwhelming majority of people who play this game couldn't give two *** about the trials leaderboards. So I'm starting to think this class was aimed at the sort of people who pretty much stick to vet dungeons or questing, which I would think is the majority of people who play this game, which is absolutely fine. A class that can do everything and complete all the content, just not as good as the other classes.
My guildmates rely on me as the forum guy and character building guy. I always describe that issue to them saying that they have to make a decision between being the absolute best and playing just the meta or picking a play-style that they enjoy and then build it to be as effective as you can. You can do the endgame content as a group that isn't just meta builds, it's just more difficult.
I personally play a NB tank as my main. I can breeze through veteran dungeons because all I do is tank and I know my build like the back of my hand. For content that's really difficult I still have a DK tank just to make things easier.
I feel like everyone should have a character that's built to the meta just for the ease of it, but non-meta builds are by no means unviable. They just aren't optimal. And I don't think that matters unless you're trying to top the leaderboards.Former Guildmaster of the Legion of Mournhold
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Epona222✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭This is dreadful to hear especially since other classes were 'nerfed', I mean adjusted, to allow the Warden to shine. Even adjusted down, the Templar and Sorcerer are still powerful - says a lot.
Saying the other classes were adjusted to allow warden to shine is a massive assumption on your part - this is what people thought was happening. It hasn't happened. Warden is kind of mediocre. Sorry to spoil the illusion that nerfs were to promote some uber "P2W" class, but that hasn't happened, people will have to find something else to complain about.GM - Ghost Sea Trading Co - NA PC
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Huyen✭✭✭✭✭
✭Got to 50, got my gear, not best in slot but ok, Necro / War Maiden, all Yellow, stats look ok.
BUT, my Templar has better healing utility than the Warden, My Sorc has Better DPS.
Warden seems average at both, so why would anyone in a raid or even a Vet Dungeon choose a Warden.
It's fun to play but does not compete with the others.
Is it me, 'LTP the class' or is anyone else feeling the same ?
*** happens when you believe all the people on the forums before the release shouting "Warden is gonna be so OP! Nerf it!". Dont expect, so you wont get dissapointed.Huyen Shadowpaw, dedicated nightblade tank - PS4 (Retired)
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getemshauna✭✭✭✭✭People were askin' me why do I keep playing magblade, when he was completly trash compared to the others. Why didnt I chose magsorc and get 10k more st dps without effort. I was playing magblade in endgame pve, score runs, did every hardmode as it. Why? Because I love him. If you like warden, just play as warden. Simple. Dk will be always greatest tank, templar healer. Sorc will be always best dps, and deal eith it. But it doesnt mean that game ends at those 3 classess.Founder of Call of the Undaunted
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Peekachu99✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Soon as the skill list appeared I knew that I'd make a new warden, play and gear him for two weeks, then go back to my "gimped" (lol, still one of the strongest classes) Templar.
No surprises here. Warden looked weaksauce from the get-go. And once again that class shield of theirs is hot garbage. Most of their skills are too watered down to be of use in min-maxing setups. Casual players will have a blast running around with their glow-bears, though.
I suspect that's the point.Edited by Peekachu99 on June 2, 2017 12:36PM3 -
akl77✭✭✭✭✭
✭I think warden just sounds stamina to me, the tanky guard, it won't be top dps and won't do well in magicka I think.
It's the animal fun type of build imo if you luv solo.Edited by akl77 on June 2, 2017 12:36PMPc na0 -
Sallington✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭The Warden seems to have a much higher skill cap than players are used to, so naturally most people think they are super underpowered.
Granted, their magicka DPS is pretty lacking, but as far as healing/utility goes, they are right up there.Daggerfall Covenant
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Peekachu99✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I think warden just sounds stamina to me, the tanky guard, it won't be top dps and won't do well in magicka I think.
It's the animal fun type of build imo if you luv solo.
Tanking with what absorbtion shield? Bone shield lol? They don't have the NB evasion passive either. Even Stam tanking is a bad idea.0 -
Artemiisia✭✭✭✭✭
✭no no nooooooo no noo no, everyone said warden was p2w, dont let people know whats really going on, its not fair
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