Magicka warden or stamina more fun and powerful?

akl77 · June 2017

Morrowind is yet to hit PS4, but I'm planning ahead if I should play my warden as Magicka or Stamina better?
If you have tried both, which one is more fun and powerful?

PlagueSD · June 2017

Other

Since "Both" isn't an option, I chose "other".

I rolled a Stam Warden and friend rolled a Mag Warden. We're easily duoing most content...including some world bosses.

Running 5pc Hunding's Rage and 5pc Defiler. I'm doing about 12-18k sloppy DPS at level 20.

Wardens have really good "burst" dps.

Rygonix · June 2017

Stamina

I have been toying around with a Warden alt as stamina and so far it plays quite well. Having an instant-healing stamina ability is actually really useful to utilize, and Wardens are capable of being quite tanky -- depending on how you build them. This is all from personal experience from being a templar main as well and switching to a similar, yet different class.

Keldheir · June 2017

Stamina

I have to go with stam. Tried a magicka warden but it just didn't work for me. Felt just really weak and boring. In all honesty, I probably just suck at them. Then I tried a stamina warden out of boredom and slight frustration (I hate is when I can't get something to work) and... et voilà. No enemy is too hard, neither groups nor world bosses. I can kill everything extremely quickly while buffing and healing myself and others. It's just weird. Weird but fun. It's also the first time that I enjoy playing stamina.

But in the end you have to decide what you wanna roll.

Lylith · June 2017

PlagueSD wrote: »

Since "Both" isn't an option, I chose "other".

I rolled a Stam Warden and friend rolled a Mag Warden. We're easily duoing most content...including some world bosses.

Running 5pc Hunding's Rage and 5pc Defiler. I'm doing about 12-18k sloppy DPS at level 20.

Wardens have really good "burst" dps.

'both' works.

Vaoh · June 2017

Whichever you like best ofc!

The only catch is that if you are trying to specifically be a PvE DPS for Vet trials you cannot choose Mag Warden. They are terrible atm.

ADarklore · June 2017

Magicka

I find it interesting how people keep claiming MagDen's are weak... when I can drop three skills and kill everything in a couple of seconds. Of course I don't "end game" content, but regular questing and even world bosses have been easier on my MagDen. Dropping Deep Fissure, Elemental Blockade and Winter's Revenge just annihilates most things. My armor is Julianos/Mother's Sorrow.. but also have a set of Necropotence and Elegance that works well too... but I like the high crit that Jul/Sorrow gives me. I'm also at max CP as well, which probably helps... have 56 points into Elfborn, 56 into Elemental, and 56 into Thaumaturge... balance into Man-at-Arms.

I have tried Stamina and found it to be incredibly boring... the options you have for builds are nowhere near what they are with StamSorcs. With MagDen I have several loadouts, several gear options, etc... lots of choices with MagDen's IMO.

akl77 · June 2017

I like ranged dps type, hate mele attacks like Templar's jabs. Prefer the destro heavy attacks than slow bow attacks, but it seems in this patch bow attacks has become stronger?

stileanima · June 2017

Magicka Warden isn't as weak as everyone is touting. Can do 34-35k DPS sustained with good group synergy and a little bit of self awareness.

But yeah, certainly isn't the strongest when it comes to PvE DPS in trials. Hopefully the class will receive a little bit of TLC.

MLGProPlayer · June 2017

Stamina is stronger. Fun is subjective.

Don't expect magicka warden to be weak forever though. I'd imagine they'll get a few more buffs in the coming weeks to bring them in line with magicka templar/DK/NB.

Zardayne · June 2017

Stamina

Stamina is easily stronger..I've respecced and played them both a few times up to 42 in all crafted gear and stamina is just alot easier and bursty. Can magica be done? Sure I'm running it now to heal as I prefer to play more like a druid. Fun though, you'll have to make that call.

Morgul667 · June 2017

Stamina

They're both fun

For DPS stamina is stronger (so far?)

For heal and support I find magicka better

all in all I prefer my stamina warden

Nemesis7884 · June 2017

PlagueSD wrote: »

Since "Both" isn't an option, I chose "other".

I rolled a Stam Warden and friend rolled a Mag Warden. We're easily duoing most content...including some world bosses.

Running 5pc Hunding's Rage and 5pc Defiler. I'm doing about 12-18k sloppy DPS at level 20.

Wardens have really good "burst" dps.

I am wondering which sets support this kind of burst dps the best... defiler seems bursty but the pet is really slow and inaccurate... hundings, night mothers, sword singer/dancer, red mountain, ravager... any other good combo ideas?

SanSan · June 2017

Stamina Warden = Stronger
Magicka Warden = More fun

Nemesis7884 · June 2017

why are the colors switched in the poll and below? its really confusing

For you guys that play stam warden; do you go the usual dw/bow or did you try 2h as an alternative? Warden seems to maybe work well with 2h as its also more bursty?

Mojomonkeyman · June 2017

Magicka

MagWard is insanely fun, but in my opinion very difficult to play if you don't go for a warden flavored shield spammming sorc copy, where scorch and bird do the job of curse and frags.

StamWarden as I have seen it played is basically a generic stam class with flavor skills, but those flavor skills synergize very well, which makes it rather strong and easy to use (compared to magWard).

Easily_Lost · June 2017

Stamina

Nemesis7884 wrote: »

why are the colors switched in the poll and below? its really confusing

I think the colors are automatically set by the poll. We can not change them.

Jitterbug · June 2017

I am levelling both. Or trying them out I should say. From my PTS experience magicka warden seem more tanky and with more options while stamina warden seem cooler and more streamlined.

kongkim · June 2017

Play a Hybrid. and that is more fun

goldnugget · June 2017

Other

both are complete garbage. dont play a dps warden. if u just wanna have some fun and do quests then it doesnt really matter. i found magicka to be more fun.

Thaiden · June 2017

Stamina

Running a stamina warden atm, loving it!

Flameheart · June 2017

Magicka

Insert class here -> < > it doesn't matter, I will always go magicka alone for the fact, that you are able (even after the Morrwind patch) to play that class in all three roles by just collecting gear for it and doing a simple click in Dressing Room or Alpha Gear.

Variety is my fun.

I have one stamina char just for the sake of having one and because NBs are still my favorite class.

sparafucilsarwb17_ESO · June 2017

Stamina

Mag Warden is weak with dps and needs a buff. Stam is doing well.

ADarklore · June 2017

Magicka

stileanima wrote: »

Magicka Warden isn't as weak as everyone is touting. Can do 34-35k DPS sustained with good group synergy and a little bit of self awareness.

But yeah, certainly isn't the strongest when it comes to PvE DPS in trials. Hopefully the class will receive a little bit of TLC.

No matter how many times we keep saying this, some people can't seem to figure Warden out. They continue to claim it's weak, but is it actually weak or is it a L2P issue for them? I know I can certainly deal a lot of damage, but I also see people using some of Warden's weakest skills and then complaining about lack of damage. Go figure.

MLGProPlayer · June 2017

ADarklore wrote: »

stileanima wrote: »

Magicka Warden isn't as weak as everyone is touting. Can do 34-35k DPS sustained with good group synergy and a little bit of self awareness.

But yeah, certainly isn't the strongest when it comes to PvE DPS in trials. Hopefully the class will receive a little bit of TLC.

No matter how many times we keep saying this, some people can't seem to figure Warden out. They continue to claim it's weak, but is it actually weak or is it a L2P issue for them? I know I can certainly deal a lot of damage, but I also see people using some of Warden's weakest skills and then complaining about lack of damage. Go figure.

35k is not good DPS... It's 5-6k behind the other classes.

Once again, you contribute nothing to the discussion with your comments. You said it yourself in the other thread: you don't do endgame content. These posts are very specifically discussing endgame DPS.

Anything and everything is viable for overland questing.

LazyLou · June 2017

Stamina

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

ADarklore wrote: »

stileanima wrote: »

Magicka Warden isn't as weak as everyone is touting. Can do 34-35k DPS sustained with good group synergy and a little bit of self awareness.

But yeah, certainly isn't the strongest when it comes to PvE DPS in trials. Hopefully the class will receive a little bit of TLC.

No matter how many times we keep saying this, some people can't seem to figure Warden out. They continue to claim it's weak, but is it actually weak or is it a L2P issue for them? I know I can certainly deal a lot of damage, but I also see people using some of Warden's weakest skills and then complaining about lack of damage. Go figure.

35k is not good DPS... It's 5-6k behind the other classes.

Once again, you contribute nothing to the discussion with your comments. You said it yourself in the other thread: you don't do endgame content. These posts are very specifically discussing endgame DPS.

Anything and everything is viable for overland questing.

I wouldn't say 35k dps is bad though, sure magsorc, magdk can outperform that, but 35k is more than enough to clear Trials HM with, heck you can even clear them with all dps only having 20k dps, as long as you keep everyone up. At 35k you'll just be dps'ing at the speed that you avoid mechanics rather than complete them while doing the trial (as intended).

That is to say, having high dps will ofcourse make it a lot easier since you spend less time dealing with things, thus your survivability goes up, so it's ofcourse preferred to have high dps. Although ZoS has been on a steady streak of trying to keep dps in check so we'd actually have to deal with mechanics in a trial rather than out-dps them, especially with this patch aimed at sustain, but that is a whole other issue.

MLGProPlayer · June 2017

LazyLou wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

ADarklore wrote: »

stileanima wrote: »

Magicka Warden isn't as weak as everyone is touting. Can do 34-35k DPS sustained with good group synergy and a little bit of self awareness.

But yeah, certainly isn't the strongest when it comes to PvE DPS in trials. Hopefully the class will receive a little bit of TLC.

No matter how many times we keep saying this, some people can't seem to figure Warden out. They continue to claim it's weak, but is it actually weak or is it a L2P issue for them? I know I can certainly deal a lot of damage, but I also see people using some of Warden's weakest skills and then complaining about lack of damage. Go figure.

35k is not good DPS... It's 5-6k behind the other classes.

Once again, you contribute nothing to the discussion with your comments. You said it yourself in the other thread: you don't do endgame content. These posts are very specifically discussing endgame DPS.

Anything and everything is viable for overland questing.

I wouldn't say 35k dps is bad though, sure magsorc, magdk can outperform that, but 35k is more than enough to clear Trials HM with, heck you can even clear them with all dps only having 20k dps, as long as you keep everyone up. At 35k you'll just be dps'ing at the speed that you avoid mechanics rather than complete them while doing the trial (as intended).

That is to say, having high dps will ofcourse make it a lot easier since you spend less time dealing with things, thus your survivability goes up, so it's ofcourse preferred to have high dps. Although ZoS has been on a steady streak of trying to keep dps in check so we'd actually have to deal with mechanics in a trial rather than out-dps them, especially with this patch aimed at sustain, but that is a whole other issue.

35k doesn't leave you any wiggle room though. Someone without BiS or a mediocre rotation will be hitting <30k. Whereas a sorc or DK without BiS gear and a crappy rotation would still be at 35k (since they'd be dropping off from a much higher point).

stileanima · June 2017

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

35k is not good DPS... It's 5-6k behind the other classes.

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

35k doesn't leave you any wiggle room though. Someone without BiS or a mediocre rotation will be hitting <30k. Whereas a sorc or DK without BiS gear and a crappy rotation would still be at 35k (since they'd be dropping off from a much higher point).

I agree with you entirely on these points. In my screenshots above, I had relatively high uptimes of the Shadow Blessing (100% in one of them, and when is that ever going to realistically happen in any trial scenario?), could reliably pop all synergies when needed, and of course, was standing at a stationary target. So even though my overall DPS would be increased in trials by raid buffs, and even though I can maybe squeeze 1-2k more out of this class beating on a skeleton with a bit more practice (and perhaps luck), yeah... pretty far behind what you would get out of any other class. Not to mention those tests were done using the Eternal Guardian ultimate, which would be the inferior ultimate choice in a good amount of situations (i.e., anything with more than one or two targets). Considering the Eternal Guardian has accounted for an astonishing 17-18% of my total DPS for most parses, removing it would only serve to hurt the class's performance in spite of replacing it with the Destro Ult or Meteor.

Apparently Magicka Warden buffs are incoming, so we will just have to hold out until then before passing any sort of "final" judgement.

danno8 · June 2017

stileanima wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

35k is not good DPS... It's 5-6k behind the other classes.

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

35k doesn't leave you any wiggle room though. Someone without BiS or a mediocre rotation will be hitting <30k. Whereas a sorc or DK without BiS gear and a crappy rotation would still be at 35k (since they'd be dropping off from a much higher point).

I agree with you entirely on these points. In my screenshots above, I had relatively high uptimes of the Shadow Blessing (100% in one of them, and when is that ever going to realistically happen in any trial scenario?), could reliably pop all synergies when needed, and of course, was standing at a stationary target. So even though my overall DPS would be increased in trials by raid buffs, and even though I can maybe squeeze 1-2k more out of this class beating on a skeleton with a bit more practice (and perhaps luck), yeah... pretty far behind what you would get out of any other class. Not to mention those tests were done using the Eternal Guardian ultimate, which would be the inferior ultimate choice in a good amount of situations (i.e., anything with more than one or two targets). Considering the Eternal Guardian has accounted for an astonishing 17-18% of my total DPS for most parses, removing it would only serve to hurt the class's performance in spite of replacing it with the Destro Ult or Meteor.

Apparently Magicka Warden buffs are incoming, so we will just have to hold out until then before passing any sort of "final" judgement.

So your screenshots show a DPS test with a fellow player providing synergies and what else? Elemental Drain? Anything else? I just like to quantify numbers I see, since many people post DPS numbers totally solo, and others post them with buffs/debuffs/synergies provided by a teammate.

Tryxus · June 2017

Magicka

Magicka more fun
Stamina more powerful

stileanima · June 2017

danno8 wrote: »

stileanima wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

35k is not good DPS... It's 5-6k behind the other classes.

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

35k doesn't leave you any wiggle room though. Someone without BiS or a mediocre rotation will be hitting <30k. Whereas a sorc or DK without BiS gear and a crappy rotation would still be at 35k (since they'd be dropping off from a much higher point).

I agree with you entirely on these points. In my screenshots above, I had relatively high uptimes of the Shadow Blessing (100% in one of them, and when is that ever going to realistically happen in any trial scenario?), could reliably pop all synergies when needed, and of course, was standing at a stationary target. So even though my overall DPS would be increased in trials by raid buffs, and even though I can maybe squeeze 1-2k more out of this class beating on a skeleton with a bit more practice (and perhaps luck), yeah... pretty far behind what you would get out of any other class. Not to mention those tests were done using the Eternal Guardian ultimate, which would be the inferior ultimate choice in a good amount of situations (i.e., anything with more than one or two targets). Considering the Eternal Guardian has accounted for an astonishing 17-18% of my total DPS for most parses, removing it would only serve to hurt the class's performance in spite of replacing it with the Destro Ult or Meteor.

Apparently Magicka Warden buffs are incoming, so we will just have to hold out until then before passing any sort of "final" judgement.

So your screenshots show a DPS test with a fellow player providing synergies and what else? Elemental Drain? Anything else? I just like to quantify numbers I see, since many people post DPS numbers totally solo, and others post them with buffs/debuffs/synergies provided by a teammate.

Just synergies and ele drain for those two screen shots, provided by a friend.

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