Lack of Direction in PVP

Durham · June 2017

My guild originated from DAOC we are mostly casual players. We have played PVP oriented games with each other since 2001. We have made some new friends here in ESO. However in the last 6 months our old guild is experiencing problems caused by this game. Half of us want to play on CP and refuse to play on non CP. The other half of us do not want to play on the zerg ball fest on the CP campaign. (Non CP seems to not contain the same style of PVP as the CP). In the past the solution was Had's which had small scale PVP at primetime and was a the overflow server for trueflame. So what do we do now HAD is gone and now replace with a server that cannot even climb to 2 bars... Had could go 3 bars on the weekends and even lock briefly on red..? ZOS has created two camps of PVP and this is hurting our guild. Anyone else experiencing this?

ZOS please decide on what you want to do with PVP

NBrookus · June 2017

I think the direction they want is clear.

They want Vivec to be zerg v. zerg. Which it is, except the servers/code can't really handle it.
Sotha Sil is also zerg v. zerg with less performance problems.
7 day no CP is a bone thrown to the pve'ers wanting to get skyshards and quests done.

They want battlegrounds to be small scale. Which it could be, but they are working poorly, and they are not the small scale people wanted since the winning conditions of 2 of the modes penalize you for actually fighting other players, there's no CP option and stam proc sets rule.

I have no idea what IC is supposed to be, but what it is are slightly smaller zergs than Vivec farming tel var.

You can find some small scale action in IC if you don't mind the NPCs in the way. Might be a compromise your guild can get behind -- but you still have to wait in queue.

Grunim · June 2017

Durham wrote: »

My guild originated from DAOC we are mostly casual players. We have played PVP oriented games with each other since 2001. We have made some new friends here in ESO. However in the last 6 months our old guild is experiencing problems caused by this game. Half of us want to play on CP and refuse to play on non CP. The other half of us do not want to play on the zerg ball fest on the CP campaign. (Non CP seems to not contain the same style of PVP as the CP). In the past the solution was Had's which had small scale PVP at primetime and was a the overflow server for trueflame. So what do we do now HAD is gone and now replace with a server that cannot even climb to 2 bars... Had could go 3 bars on the weekends and even lock briefly on red..? ZOS has created two camps of PVP and this is hurting our guild. Anyone else experiencing this?

ZOS please decide on what you want to do with PVP

First of all, I

the times I've played with you and your guild. You are an awesome group of people and it saddens me to read how recent campaign changes are affecting you guys.

I thought it would be productive if you could articulate for ZOS and others who might be reading this thread how "Non CP seems to not contain the same style of PvP as the CP". Aside from zerging differences, what else is it about Non CP PvP is not of interest to you?

Mr_Nobody · June 2017

Ah, i still remember putting up Siege towers on Blendrake and then going to Glen bridge killing the randoms going there ~

Sadly this game has no such mechanics. This game rewards playing in a 50 man group clicking 2 spells, but not solo / smallman groups. You cant even reliably make your own action here without getting rekt by x10 your numbers.

MoeCoastie · June 2017

As far as pvp population...I believe we all just need to wait til the dust settles and people migrate back to pvp from pve. As far as CP vs non-CP, that is a personal choice you guys have to make as a guild. Can't fault ZoS for giving us chioces.

P.S.
Alb4Lyfe!

NBrookus · June 2017

Grunim wrote: »

I thought it would be productive if you could articulate for ZOS and others who might be reading this thread how "Non CP seems to not contain the same style of PvP as the CP". Aside from zerging differences, what else is it about Non CP PvP is not of interest to you?

No-CP can be very zergy; as much or more so than the 30-day CP campaign. Most of the time you can still find a little small scale action on the fringes.

Speaking for myself, I don't like no-CP because it is so heavily influenced by proc sets and poisons in small scale, while large scale groups are still just as powerful and annoying running destro ults and negates.

rfennell_ESO · June 2017

There is direction in pvp.

DC's direction is Chalman, AD's direction is Ash and EP's direction is alessia.

Nermy · June 2017

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

There is direction in pvp.

DC's direction is Chalman, AD's direction is Ash and EP's direction is alessia.

Cyrodiil needs some serious love because at the moment it's slowly dying. Please listen to us Zos @Brian_Wheeler. So many of us love the PvP and day after day we struggle on against lag, loading screens and server crashes. The zerg has become the meta and alliances are ruling campaigns through superior numbers and some would say, exploits - the queue one for starts.

PvDoor has become the way to rule a campaign and is slowly killing off any competitiveness.

Rohamad_Ali · June 2017

True , very true . Most of the time is spent trying to find that one battle that was close and competitive . But what can you do ? EP has more players 24/7 but it's not the players fault the campaign on Vivec is like that . So the score will always favore numbers . It's up to the Devs to handle such things . There's a few dozen issues to complain about but nothing really changes so why bother . So we just keep looking for that one or two fights every day .

Durham · June 2017

MoeCoastie wrote: »

As far as pvp population...I believe we all just need to wait til the dust settles and people migrate back to pvp from pve. As far as CP vs non-CP, that is a personal choice you guys have to make as a guild. Can't fault ZoS for giving us chioces.

P.S.
Alb4Lyfe!

We had choices before ..

Xsorus · June 2017

For the record this is why I said they should of never released Battlegrounds

Don't split your PvP population into multiple game modes

Berenhir · June 2017

Xsorus wrote: »

For the record this is why I said they should of never released Battlegrounds

Don't split your PvP population into multiple game modes

Too late since IC.

Derra · June 2017

Xsorus wrote: »

For the record this is why I said they should of never released Battlegrounds

Don't split your PvP population into multiple game modes

That´s why i said they should have never introduced nonCP

Joy_Division · June 2017

Xsorus wrote: »

For the record this is why I said they should of never released Battlegrounds

Don't split your PvP population into multiple game modes

Genie was already out of the bottle when Azura's was made no CP.

VincentBlanquin · June 2017

Derra wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

For the record this is why I said they should of never released Battlegrounds

Don't split your PvP population into multiple game modes

That´s why i said they should have never introduced nonCP

thats why i said, they should never allow CP PVP