Problem for the New players coming to Morrowind PvP or Battlegrounds

VinayExile · May 2017

So guys, we've all played tested and seen battlegrounds right now.

And the main thing ive seen is 1 team absolutely dominating.
ive been in matches against people with 4 man teams while i had a 2 man team and they didnt kill anything or didnt capture any flag.
These people were CP 100+ they were newish players and you could see the difference in gear and skill level and it was out of order.

I know everyone likes farming scrubs and easy wins, but at the end of the day those scrubs will have had an awfull time in pvp.
And i am certain they will not try a BG again.
There is no kind of challenge in it for people that have played for a long time against people that have no clue what theyre doing.

There needs to be some kind of solution for this, look at other MMO's they have scaled gear ( stronger gear only wearable in BG if youre lower level ).
Becasuse even if im very fond of farming AP in cyrodill but i really really wanted BG's to be a challenge....

And i want the game to survive, not for people to see that the skillbase gap is WAY TO BIG in Battlegrounds and just leave the game and dont come back.
Because thats how it is now.

Sure everyone can get better and learn etc etc, but find a way to explain stuff ingame to people that arent used to this.

Secondly, for some reason ( dont know if its intended ) ive had level 30 players or lower in other teams.
How is this possible? Are people at zenimax this clueless that i even need to tell you that there needs to be Level scaling in battlegrounds and a below level 50 queue.
Because right now there dousnt seem to be any.

If i was a new player, Had never played an MMO before and joined PvP or a battleground and would have gotten wasted by players that have played for 3 years,
Without ANY way to even try and kill anything or getting a flag or even having fun.

I would just *** off and not come back.

is this what you want zenimax?

Biro123 · May 2017

Its all been said, many a time.

Sylosi · May 2017

VinayExile wrote: »

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I know everyone likes farming scrubs and easy wins

Only scrubs like farming scrubs, any real PvP player gets bored of that.

akray21 · May 2017

There needs to be a matchmaking system that divides players based on skill. I can't believe they took 3 years to give us small scale PvP, and they didn't include a proper system for this...

VinayExile · May 2017

Biro123 wrote: »

Its all been said, many a time.

If it has then I can't believe they put this on live server like this, what a disgrace.

Mojomonkeyman · May 2017

I agree with your message, not your methods. Instead of creating artificial buffs they should just create a basic matchmaking and split 1-49 vs 50.

VinayExile · May 2017

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

I agree with your message, not your methods. Instead of creating artificial buffs they should just create a basic matchmaking and split 1-49 vs 50.

yea , but ive heard here and there that there is already a matchmaking engine.
Especially for pre made teams not getting matched up with solo queuers.

and i only named one method, where there are much more ofcourse.

They can try giving low score teams bonuses, or buffs that can be picked up by the loosing team.
Like i said armour sets for low levels that give a small bonus towards damage or damage reduction from high level players.
They NEED to make a decent matchmaking system obviosly...

etc etc.

VinayExile · May 2017

Sylosi wrote: »

VinayExile wrote: »

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I know everyone likes farming scrubs and easy wins

Only scrubs like farming scrubs, any real PvP player gets bored of that.

well, i guess 99% of ESO playerbase right now is scrubs then, because all i see in cyro is megazerg at one keep.
Not a single solo player looking for a challenge out there these days.

zerg = easy win thats the eso mindset

For battlegrounds its different, if youre a new player your experience is just not going to be fun at all.
and for the expierenced players i agree with you, its not fun at all, its just overkill and to be fair i dont see new or old players staying if there is no challenge.

KingYogi415 · May 2017

No1 under 160cp should play with vet 600's.

ZOS has no idea what they are doing though....

Jitterbug · May 2017

You guys can get in the bgs? O.o

DevilDawg · May 2017

Morrowind PC pre orders can... or if you mean cuz of the bug I believe it's fixed.

Valencer · May 2017

Battlegrounds are going to die out pretty quickly. That much is clear

Rohaus · May 2017

Naw... BG's won't die out... just will take time to work out the issues...

My BG experiences have been awesome minus the queue bug and the length of time to actually get in a match. However, not getting zerged is a massive PvP improvement!!

I don't think the zerglings of Cyrodiil are going to have a lot of fun doing battlegrounds... they Zerg for a reason.

New players will be turned off somewhat BUT there will be a select few that stick with it because they aren't skurd to actually learn about class skills, builds, and how to gear and optimize.

Casualgamer82 · June 2017

Rohaus wrote: »

Naw... BG's won't die out... just will take time to work out the issues...

My BG experiences have been awesome minus the queue bug and the length of time to actually get in a match. However, not getting zerged is a massive PvP improvement!!

I don't think the zerglings of Cyrodiil are going to have a lot of fun doing battlegrounds... they Zerg for a reason.

New players will be turned off somewhat BUT there will be a select few that stick with it because they aren't skurd to actually learn about class skills, builds, and how to gear and optimize.

Sorry but I agree with the OP, especially since I am one of those new players that probably won't stick it out much more than a month or so. It's not because I'm "skurd" as you put it, quite the contrary, I actually like the challenge. The problem lies with young adults to adults, such as myself, that cannot put in hours upon hours of play to get to cp 600. At least not without taking a year to do it and then you have to contemplate these days, will ZOS come out with a new xpac by then? Most likely, because like all companies they are in the business of making money. So then one begins to think, ok, I can stick this thing out and grind to get the gear/cp needed to compete but how much time will I have until the CP cap is changed or worse yet the level cap is increased, so on and so on. ESO is imho one of the greatest games out right now and it's in part due to enjoyability of leveling and getting to cp 600 BUT at some point I want to PvP and I for one am not one of those people who can wait all the way to cp 600 just so I can be competitive. I'm not saying the answer is some kind of bolster system, we've seen epic fails in that arena. I'm just saying, I am one of those who have been in BGs and now will not go back in until I hit at least cp160 and wearing appropriate gear sets, but that would be when I'm also a grandfather. Sorry, but something has to be done in order to allow non-vets to compete. And yes, I am well aware of the fact that I can play non-champ Cyrodiil but as discussed, it's basically a Zerg fest and even when it's not, my opponent may not get to use there 400 or 500+ points but they still have better gear, resistances, abilities, and higher skill cap. Anyway, that's just my 2 cents, or maybe a little more, but either way I agree with most of what the OP says and BGs may not die out but the BG community will shrink for sure. And the queue times aren't exactly short right now.