Sorry For Another Nerf Thread, Shuffle Though

Vapirko · May 2017

Shuffle absolutely overperforms. I would argue that it needs a slight nerf, maybe down a few percent, and/or should be relegated to a certain number of medium armor pieces. It's insane when you can go after someone and have shuffle dodge 3-4 attacks in a row. It's a great skill obviously but I think it just goes to show that's it's clearly a bit over performing when nearly every stam user runs it including tanky heavy armor users who shouldn't even need it. And I say this as a heavy armor user who loves to use it. It's a great skill, maybe it doesn't need to be relegated to medium armor users only, but it's performance needs to be evaluated. Thoughts?

Sheey · May 2017

It was already reduced from 20 to 15%.

Makato · May 2017

Just make it so u can only use shuffle when u got 5 medium pieces equipped , annulment and morphs with 5 light and that *** heavy armor skill with 5 heavy ...
Makes no sense to me that you can use armor skills without actually wearing it but u cannot use a destro ult on a bow bar...

Dracindo · May 2017

Makato wrote: »

Just make it so u can only use shuffle when u got 5 medium pieces equipped , annulment and morphs with 5 light and that *** heavy armor skill with 5 heavy ...
Makes no sense to me that you can use armor skills without actually wearing it but u cannot use a destro ult on a bow bar...

Best solution.

Sorcs though...

SleepyTroll · May 2017

Vapirko wrote: »

Shuffle absolutely overperforms. I would argue that it needs a slight nerf, maybe down a few percent, and/or should be relegated to a certain number of medium armor pieces. It's insane when you can go after someone and have shuffle dodge 3-4 attacks in a row. It's a great skill obviously but I think it just goes to show that's it's clearly a bit over performing when nearly every stam user runs it including tanky heavy armor users who shouldn't even need it. And I say this as a heavy armor user who loves to use it. It's a great skill, maybe it doesn't need to be relegated to medium armor users only, but it's performance needs to be evaluated. Thoughts?

Is vigor overperforming because every stam user is using it?

Qbiken · May 2017

Makato wrote: »

Just make it so u can only use shuffle when u got 5 medium pieces equipped , annulment and morphs with 5 light and that *** heavy armor skill with 5 heavy ...
Makes no sense to me that you can use armor skills without actually wearing it but u cannot use a destro ult on a bow bar...

It gives you major evasion, there´re more sources from where you can get that buff other than shuffle/elude. The problem with this solution is that it limits player (the exact opposite what ESO is about). As a magicka user you can even use a set called "Specter´s Eye" to get major evasion buff:
(2 items) Adds 1935 Physical Resistance
(3 items) Adds 967 Max Magicka
(4 items) Adds 1064 Max Health
(5 items) When you cast a Magicka ability you gain Major Evasion for 3 seconds, increasing your dodge chance by 15%. This effect can occur once every 6 seconds

Vapirko wrote: »

Shuffle absolutely overperforms. I would argue that it needs a slight nerf, maybe down a few percent, and/or should be relegated to a certain number of medium armor pieces. It's insane when you can go after someone and have shuffle dodge 3-4 attacks in a row. It's a great skill obviously but I think it just goes to show that's it's clearly a bit over performing when nearly every stam user runs it including tanky heavy armor users who shouldn't even need it. And I say this as a heavy armor user who loves to use it. It's a great skill, maybe it doesn't need to be relegated to medium armor users only, but it's performance needs to be evaluated. Thoughts?

With "Specter´s Eye" (tried it myself on magDK in PvP) and I have 40-50% uptime of Major Evasion without using shuffle/elude. So the problem isn´t the duration (as Specter´s Eye only gives us the buff for 3 seconds). The nerf from 20% dodgechance down to 15% is very noticable, so shuffle/elude is fine as it is.

Gorthax · May 2017

what drives me crazy about shuffle is that it can dodge curse, degeneration, and soemtimes sorc execute. Like wtf is this nonsense. Passive dodge chance is dumb imo.

edit: to clarify curse can be applied but the explosion can be dodged using shuffle.

Morgul667 · May 2017

Shuffle is good as it is.

Dracindo · May 2017

Gorthax wrote: »

what drives me crazy about shuffle is that it can dodge curse, degeneration, and soemtimes sorc execute. Like wtf is this nonsense. Passive dodge chance is dumb imo.

If the caster's lucky enough that the 15% hits.

You can always rely on a damage shield and heal to do what they do, but a dodge relies on luck.
The only good thing is that you need to cast shuffle less, meaning it's easier to keep it active.

Makato · May 2017

Gorthax wrote: »

what drives me crazy about shuffle is that it can dodge curse, degeneration, and soemtimes sorc execute. Like wtf is this nonsense. Passive dodge chance is dumb imo.

edit: to clarify curse can be applied but the explosion can be dodged using shuffle.

LOL just wauw ... you blame passive doge chance ? i mean sort got passive execute aka implosion , ur curse process twice .. not once ... and hits for 6k easy i mean the first one i consider an active one but second is a bit of a lazy proc , and sort execute ? i mean it's one of the strongest executes in PvP lol , none the less it can proc implosion ... just to say what your blaming is a L2P issue not a skill one
... ... .... *sigh*

Ragnaroek93 · May 2017

How about nerfing Dampen/Harness Magicka as well? Because spamming shields with high magicka and overstacked sustain is better balanced...

leepalmer95 · May 2017

You've already made a thread about this and it died off stop making new ones ffs.

jarrandub17_ESO · May 2017

Shuffle is out of control, I recorded a clip where the first 4 attacks I put on a Dk where dodged by shuffle...finally the 5th attack landed. It happens like crazy, it absolutely needs more tweaking.

SodanTok · May 2017

jarrandub17_ESO wrote: »

Shuffle is out of control, I recorded a clip where the first 4 attacks I put on a Dk where dodged by shuffle...finally the 5th attack landed. It happens like crazy, it absolutely needs more tweaking.

Did you record clip of of all those times your first 4 attacks landed too?

Makato · May 2017

It doesn't need a nerf , stop asking to nerf everything you can't handle ...
It's like asking a nerf on your bill cuz you can't pay the rent ... stuff doesn't work like that don't expect it will ...

Dracindo · May 2017

jarrandub17_ESO wrote: »

Shuffle is out of control, I recorded a clip where the first 4 attacks I put on a Dk where dodged by shuffle...finally the 5th attack landed. It happens like crazy, it absolutely needs more tweaking.

At least 1 attack landed and did some actual damage:

How about nerfing Dampen/Harness Magicka as well? Because spamming shields with high magicka and overstacked sustain is better balanced...

I say, get rid of the shield spamming problem, then we'll talk about Shuffle. Again.

jarrandub17_ESO · May 2017

Right...but this is a thread on shuffle, not harness magic..so...move along troll. The clip of 4 attacks missing in a row..is about average, I have had one fight where I finally hit on the 7th attack. It is very common. It might not be too noticable if all you do is zerg, but It does need toning down, and this is a thread asking for it. If you feel there are other items that need to be addressed before this, great...go post in those threads. IMO shuffle is too strong.

leepalmer95 · May 2017

Everyone knows shuffle is chance based right?

It can just as easily not go off in 10 attacks as it can.

Anyone mind posting a video of these amazing 7 shuffle dodges in a row?