Mundus Stones and Dolmens Missing in Vvardenfell

Cazic · May 2017

Is there a clear reason for this?

I did a couple quick searches but couldn't find much. Also heard that Dolmens are absent for lore related reasons, but not sure.

Cpt_Teemo · May 2017

None yet, but hopefully they'll add some new ones later

Cazic · May 2017

Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »

None yet, but hopefully they'll add some new ones later

Has zos mentioned that they may add some in later, or is this just a hope you have?

joaaocaampos · May 2017

For what? I have not seen any Dolmen or Mundus Stone in Wrothgar (Orsinium DLC)! I see no reason to put it. I prefer that they add something new!

WeyounTM · May 2017

Since there haven't been Dolmens and Mundus Stones in all other DLC-Zones, i wouldn't keep my hope up guys. After all the whole Molag-Bal storyline takes place in the original zones. Why would it still be a "feature" in the other zones.

But I have to agree with one thing: at least one Mundus stone should be present in Vvardenfell, because if you are a new player and only quest in Morrowind at first....you will neve be introduced to the concept of Mundus stones until you actually leave the zone. My wardens are currently running around without one....but for an experienced player the mundus buff really isnt that important.

idk · May 2017

Neither have been in any zone that have been added since launch.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO · May 2017

Let's be honest, if you only quest in the overland area, you really do not need a mundas, you can literally light attack everything to death and for all the content you do, you will be with other people.

SydneyGrey · May 2017

I'm glad the dolmens aren't there. They're everywhere else, so there's no reason for them to be in Vvardenfell too. It would just take up space and not add anything new to the game.

Vez · May 2017

The Planemeld was stopped. Molag Bal is in intensive care convalescing. There will be no more Dolmens.

As for Mundus stones, they've put Vvardenfell's in the crown store.

Caligamy_ESO · May 2017

joaaocaampos wrote: »

For what? I have not seen any Dolmen or Mundus Stone in Wrothgar (Orsinium DLC)! I see no reason to put it. I prefer that they add something new!

I guess you missed the Unfinished Dolmen world boss?

Vez wrote: »

The Planemeld was stopped. Molag Bal is in intensive care convalescing. There will be no more Dolmens.

As for Mundus stones, they've put Vvardenfell's in the crown store.

When you start a new character and it begins in Vvardenfell you are directed to meet with the Benefactor to begin the Molag Bal story line, so to not have dolmens because the plan meld has already been prevented doesn't match up with the current sequence of events.

/dropsmic

JD2013 · May 2017

Dolmens aren't on Vvardenfell. I think there's some quest dialogue somewhere that stated that Vivec et al stopped them from happening on the island or something.

essi2 · May 2017

The ESO timeline is relative, when what happens depends on which order you do things in.

The vanilla quest lines do a ***-poor job of actually compensating for this(They were never structured to be played out of order), but the DLC quests try if not always succeed.

ZOS hopefully for their own sanity has a canonical order for things.

But as a player the closes you are going to get to a canonical ordered series of events is:

Warden; Vvardenfell - Molag Bal/Planemeld - Orsinium - Gold Coast. Unless I've missed something Craglorn and Hew's Bane are complete side stories, maybe Gold Coast aswell.

Vanilla Classes; Molag Bal/Planemeld - Orsinium - Gold Coast - Vvardenfell

MLGProPlayer · May 2017

It happens after the events of the main game, which is why there are no dolmens

Varen basically tells you that Morrowind is the next chapter of your adventure after you complete Orsinium.

If you're starting a new character in Vvardenfell, I'm sure it can be explained away as Vivec's doing (he's Molag Bol's former lover and a powerful deity himself). I guess you could also interpret it as happening before the planemeld in that case too (although things would get confusing if you went to the mainland midway through your adventure and started the Coldharbour quest).

I'm guessing they didn't add mundus stones because they didn't know which ones to put there. In the base game, each tier of zone had 3 stones, which were the same in all 3 factions. That wouldn't make sense in Vvardenfell since it's just 1 zone.

MLGProPlayer · May 2017

essi2 wrote: »

The ESO timeline is relative, when what happens depends on which order you do things in.

The vanilla quest lines do a ***-poor job of actually compensating for this(They were never structured to be played out of order), but the DLC quests try if not always succeed.

ZOS hopefully for their own sanity has a canonical order for things.

But as a player the closes you are going to get to a canonical ordered series of events is:

Warden; Vvardenfell - Molag Bal/Planemeld - Orsinium - Gold Coast. Unless I've missed something Craglorn and Hew's Bane are complete side stories, maybe Gold Coast aswell.

Vanilla Classes; Molag Bal/Planemeld - Orsinium - Gold Coast - Vvardenfell

Gold Coast definitely happens after the events of the main game as you run into a lot of familiar faces who reference your past adventures.

essi2 · May 2017

@MLGProPlayer But they only reference you IF you have met them in/completed the Main Quest.

starkerealm · May 2017

So ZOS has, apparently, changed their mind, or shot this down, or something.

Originally the timeline looked something like this.

The main game occurs in 2e582. This apparently includes Craglorn, and also the Imperial City content.

Orsinium, Hew's Bane, and The Gold Coast all occur in 2e583, and Morrowind was speculated to occur in 2e584.

Which explained why you never saw active dolmen in a zone after you finished Cold Harbour. The planemeld is effectively over, and then the last remnants of it get mopped up in the IC.

However, now ZOS has said all of this occurs in 582, which doesn't really make a lot of sense, and that any references to the date moving forward are unintentional.

Saturnana · May 2017

I don't know about the mundus stones, but the reason there aren't any dolmens is because Morrowind's content actually takes place after Molag Bal's invasion of Nirn. As is the case for Orsinium and the other DLC areas. Which is why it is so lore-breaking to force Morrowind players into the new content before even knowing about the original main quest.. Molag Bal.

But they did it nevertheless, because if characters cannot start off in Vvardenfell, Morrowind cannot be sold as an expansion. Which completely screws up the flow of the story, the order of events, and the little sanity I have left.

essi2 · May 2017

@starkerealm Last official word that I heard(from one of the Pre-Vvardenfell ESO Lives) is that there are no set dates for anything.

Basically anything happens at whatever date is the most convenient at any given time.

MLGProPlayer · May 2017

starkerealm wrote: »

So ZOS has, apparently, changed their mind, or shot this down, or something.

Originally the timeline looked something like this.

The main game occurs in 2e582. This apparently includes Craglorn, and also the Imperial City content.

Orsinium, Hew's Bane, and The Gold Coast all occur in 2e583, and Morrowind was speculated to occur in 2e584.

Which explained why you never saw active dolmen in a zone after you finished Cold Harbour. The planemeld is effectively over, and then the last remnants of it get mopped up in the IC.

However, now ZOS has said all of this occurs in 582, which doesn't really make a lot of sense, and that any references to the date moving forward are unintentional.

The only reason they scrapped all "official" chronology was so they could sell expansions and DLC to new players.

IwakuraLain42 · May 2017

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

essi2 wrote: »

The ESO timeline is relative, when what happens depends on which order you do things in.

The vanilla quest lines do a ***-poor job of actually compensating for this(They were never structured to be played out of order), but the DLC quests try if not always succeed.

ZOS hopefully for their own sanity has a canonical order for things.

But as a player the closes you are going to get to a canonical ordered series of events is:

Warden; Vvardenfell - Molag Bal/Planemeld - Orsinium - Gold Coast. Unless I've missed something Craglorn and Hew's Bane are complete side stories, maybe Gold Coast aswell.

Vanilla Classes; Molag Bal/Planemeld - Orsinium - Gold Coast - Vvardenfell

Gold Coast definitely happens after the events of the main game as you run into a lot of familiar faces who reference your past adventures.

That only happens if said NPCs have meet your Vestige before. If not then you will get other (more generic) dialogs from them.

UrbanMonk · May 2017

joaaocaampos wrote: »

For what? I have not seen any Dolmen or Mundus Stone in Wrothgar (Orsinium DLC)! I see no reason to put it. I prefer that they add something new!

There is a dolemen in Wrothgar, it's disguised as a World Boss.

Synfaer · May 2017

I have a mundus stone in my Vvardenfell apartment

dodgehopper_ESO · May 2017

I am still wondering where the Prophet, Gabriel, and that Darien Gautier fella have gone.

essi2 · May 2017

@dodgehopper_ESO Where the Prophet is I think depends on who you

sacrifice in the Main Story

As for Gabriel and Darien, I don't know.

starkerealm · May 2017

essi2 wrote: »

@starkerealm Last official word that I heard(from one of the Pre-Vvardenfell ESO Lives) is that there are no set dates for anything.

Basically anything happens at whatever date is the most convenient at any given time.

Well, the 2e582 date is set in stone from Varen's narration in the original cinematic intro.

mwo1480 · May 2017

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

I am still wondering where the Prophet, Gabriel, and that Darien Gautier fella have gone.

prophet died (even if u didnt pick him, hes dead in orsinium), erent we able to see gabriel in anvil??? not sure if was she tho, darien probaly in the colored rooms, at least that what they hinted in orsinium and if u found the orsinium hint also in anvil

Turelus · May 2017

Molag Bal doesn't have the Pinions to take on the Dunmer, that's why.

Sounomi · May 2017

There isn't any dolmens and mundus stones because Vvardenfell is basically a DLC map that they slapped together with the battlegrounds feature and the Warden class to have an excuse to make an expansion to pull in new players, because expansions always seem to get people's attention. So to go along with this marketing move, they decided to redo the tutorial at the start of the game to put you out on Vvardenfell even though it breaks the lore and chronology of the game. This was brought up in the closed beta forums during testing and the head honcho loremaster guy basically said he doesn't care it causes this.

So in a nutshell, everything past the 3 alliance areas, Coldharbour, and IC all take place after the planemeld is over. But because of marketing reasons, they screwed up the story line for Vvardenfell for new players.

Teridaxus · May 2017

Well in craglorn an atronach army was supposed to defeat the dolmens until the celestial mage got corrupted but by then the daedric forces got driven out.
Wrogthar was atleast an attempt with the unfinished dolmen. I guess since orsinium was a recent present to the orsmier in exchange to join the covenant, it's not pretty high in the priotiy list of invasion sites since they mostly rebuilding that place.
Hew's bane is basicly one coastal city and its surrounding, so a dolmen might just next to it and the invisible walls won't let us reach it.
No idea, about the gold coast, probaly the dark brotherhood was too spooky for the daedra to attack it or the order of hour or some imperial church used some unknown ritual to shield that place. Maybe the sweet roll killer murdered the local worm cultists.

Don't own eso vvardenfell, but i guess vivec shields it, but then deshann wouldn't make sense since almalexia resides there.

Iselin · May 2017

This whole "happens before or happens after" stuff is just silly in the context of One Tamriel where the whole game was opened up to be done in any order you want,

Back in the days when zones had levels and you progressed from A > B > C, they could have gotten away with this sequential time story telling but it's just goofy now in a game that we experience as a whole all at once.

It makes a lot more sense to think of it as all happening at the same time but that some parts of Tamriel have not fallen victim to the plane meld for ___________ (insert reason here.)

If anyone actually cared about that, they would do a pass on all the story lines to make them compliant with the new One Tamriel way of playing the game, not unlike what WOW did with the Cataclysm expansion. But that would take time, effort and caring about the game's integrity more than profits.

Darlgon · May 2017

I would love to debate the lore, but Sir Lawrence of Schick pretty much said on the ESO Live...

"Marketing drives the lore in this game."

So, pretend you pass thru a time portal, as well as a space portal, every time you wayshrine into Vvardenfell and list it as a time before or after Molag's attempts to merge Nirn and Coldharbor.

Mundus Stones woud be offering praise to any other than the Tribuneral, so probably destroyed on Vvardenfell as an affront to Vivec. Kinda like the Ashlanders.