I wish the Warden would have been a better class...

MagicalSociety · May 2017

After having her maxed and trying a few sets out, I just cant get good dps on a magicka build. I feel like she is lacking behind all my other classes when it comes to dps and survivavility . She has more spell dmg and resistances but feels squishy even with shields. What am I doing wrong with this build?

SanTii.92 · May 2017

Nothing, mag wardens are by design probably the worse mag dps. That said, still capable of completing all content.

Stamden · May 2017

I don't get why they would release a class with so many missing components and clear problems. I think they really screwed up with the early release and they didn't have enough time to really finish the class.

Sweetpea704 · May 2017

So what do you consider "good DPS"?

Mojmir · May 2017

Neighbor wrote: »

I don't get why they would release a class with so many missing components and clear problems. I think they really screwed up with the early release and they didn't have enough time to really finish the class.

Same reason they release everything else that's half-assed,incompetence and make a quick buck.

exeeter702 · May 2017

SanTii.92 wrote: »

Nothing, mag wardens are by design probably the worse mag dps. That said, still capable of completing all content.

It's most definitely not by design. They are under tuned, nothing more.

Fodore · May 2017

Magicka warden has bad dps, go tank or healer if you are magicka.

Stamina warden has excellent burst for PvP and can make a pretty good hybrid tank/stamina healer (ik ik the dreaded stamina healer but it's not half bad on warden)

STEVIL · May 2017

Have not leveled my mag warden yet but my stam warden is closing in on 50 and is fun. Almost as survivable as a DK but a lot more fun.

While its not by any means perfect i think thry did pretty good by warden.

Although, of course i do remember the scads of "warden will be totes OP, dude" thresds witjout end prior to release.

So hilarious.

ADarklore · May 2017

I guess it depends on what content you play and what rotation your using, gear, etc.

On my Altmer MagDen, I pretty much MELT enemies with just three skills... of course I don't do 'end game' or anything competitive either... but in solo questing, using a Frost staff... opening with Deep Fissure, wait 1.5 seconds, then drop Elemental Blockade and Winter's Revenge... the mob charges and are immediately hit when Deep Fissure goes off... by then most are dead or down to 1/4 life... and then the continuing AoE either finishes them off, or my bear does.

My gear... Necropotence and Elegance.

What I've found is that so many people who complain about lack of damage are either not using the best skills, not using the best rotation, or not using useful gear that benefits their build. People complain that Frost staff does less damage, but I'm not finding that to be a problem with the content that I play. I get 6% boost to Frost damage, Altmer gets another 4%, and Elegance grants another 20% to Light/Heavy attacks. I don't have to play, "put my AoE abilities on one bar and single target abilities on another" bs like Inferno/Lightning staff users do... just for what, an extra 2% damage... whereas I get single and AoE FROST damage from one bar.

hmsdragonfly · May 2017

Neighbor wrote: »

I don't get why they would release a class with so many missing components and clear problems. I think they really screwed up with the early release and they didn't have enough time to really finish the class.

You missed the fun part: when everyone talked soooooooooooooo loudly about "Warden is OP" and "Warden is P2W". Wonder where they are now. They were clearly very vocal about Warden being P2W.

hmsdragonfly · May 2017

STEVIL wrote: »

Have not leveled my mag warden yet but my stam warden is closing in on 50 and is fun. Almost as survivable as a DK but a lot more fun.

While its not by any means perfect i think thry did pretty good by warden.

Although, of course i do remember the scads of "warden will be totes OP, dude" thresds witjout end prior to release.

So hilarious.

Depend on how you build. If you build towards tankiness, yes, Warden can be tanky. But for regular PvP stam build, stam warden isn't as tanky as stamDK, in my opinion they are slightly better than stamplar in term of survivability. You can only get major mending for 3 seconds when you are below 40% HP and use one of the class heal, but letting your HP go below 40% is pretty scary in PvP because you are in the executioner range. Stam BoL isn't as strong as I hope, I mostly use it to proc major mending in emergency case but I immediately swap bar and cast vigor after 2 casts of stam BoL. On the bright side, the shield is pretty useful when fighting against magsorcs and Xv1 snipers. The shield's duration is not very long, so unless you are very efficient at your rotation, you can still be outplayed by a better magsorc. But, if you are good enough to see when the frag is proc'd and cast the shield accordingly, you can reduce a magsorc to useless.

Also, they do have some lethal burst, but it requires timing the shalk perfectly, I am still trying to git gud at it, will take some time.

Peekachu99 · May 2017

Re: shields. The Warden's shield is garbage--pure and simple--and I have no idea why they left it as is when every other class (except NB, which gets major evasion as a tradeoff) has a better, full-soaking (physical and magical) shield.

It is one of the worst designed skills in the game. I'm sure you could hamfist it into a build somewhere, but what's the point?

Caligamy_ESO · May 2017

I think i've achieved 'ok' dps on my magicka warden, which is usually between 18-25k single target over a sustained period of 1-2 minutes. It is a really awkward skill rotation however and I find myself constantly stumbling over my own fingers while doing it.

I am not wearing the BiS equipment yet but I am working on it.. It was Julianos when I started a few days ago, currently it is:

Armor: 4x divines, 1x infused Necropotence (infused because I haven't found the body yet in divines, I'm a farmer not a buyer)
Weapons: Sharpened Flame/Lightning Staff of Martial Knowledge + M.K. Jewelry (found in craglorn dailies a lot)
Monster set: 1x Heavy, 1x Medium Grothdarr

Mundus: The Thief

Main attack bar:
Growing Swarm
Elemental Blockade (staff skill)
Screaming Cliff Racer
Magicka Harness (light armor skill)
Inner Light (mages guild, while slotted grants crit chance increase, max magicka +4%, and mag recovery +2%)
Ultimate - Northern Storm (while slotted grants max Magicka +8%)
Some people have asked me why I would slot Northern Storm over Eye of the Storm or the bear, the bold portion above is why.

Back bar:
Bird of Prey (or Enchanted Growth if I feel like I am needing the healing for myself or others)
Gripping Shards
Deep Fissure
Rearming Trap (fighters guild, grants critical dmg+10% when it triggers)
Blue Betty Netch (always have this active, ALWAYS)
Ultimate - Northern Storm (or Enchanted Forest if you want an AoE heal)

I keep my dots separated to different weapons because the animations take quite a lot of time to complete and this will allow you to perform the next skill a little bit faster. Just weapon swap between DoT casts to get them out faster.

The idea here is to open with deep fissure and rearming trap as an aoe breach in front of you, lay down gripping shards, and elemental blockade into the group, and begin alternating light/heavy attacks with cliff racer casts onto big targets. Make sure you put in a Growing Swarm cast once in a while and then focus on that target to make the DoT spread to 6 targets.

My advice with Champion Points, don't waste that extra 25 points into any category if its only a 1% increase, it's better spent somewhere else that will give you a larger increase. Get your magic damage up, critical dmg, and damage over time effects up.

quadraxis666 · May 2017

Wish in one hand, crap in the other, see which one fills up first. This is Zos...

hmsdragonfly · May 2017

Peekachu99 wrote: »

Re: shields. The Warden's shield is garbage--pure and simple--and I have no idea why they left it as is when every other class (except NB, which gets major evasion as a tradeoff) has a better, full-soaking (physical and magical) shield.

It is one of the worst designed skills in the game. I'm sure you could hamfist it into a build somewhere, but what's the point?

It's good for fighting against magsorcs. If a stamwd is good enough to see when the frag is proc'd and casts the shield accordingly, he can reduce a magsorc into useless. If a magsorc can't hit you with the frag, he has no chance to burst you down. But that's extremely hard to pull off.

Peekachu99 · May 2017

hmsdragonfly wrote: »

Peekachu99 wrote: »

Re: shields. The Warden's shield is garbage--pure and simple--and I have no idea why they left it as is when every other class (except NB, which gets major evasion as a tradeoff) has a better, full-soaking (physical and magical) shield.

It is one of the worst designed skills in the game. I'm sure you could hamfist it into a build somewhere, but what's the point?

It's good for fighting against magsorcs. If a stamwd is good enough to see when the frag is proc'd and casts the shield accordingly, he can reduce a magsorc into useless. If a magsorc can't hit you with the frag, he has no chance to burst you down. But that's extremely hard to pull off.

I see what you're saying, but good in one PVP situation doesn't make for a "good" skill, though. Neither morph is particularly compelling either, and if you're playing a magika character you would just slot Anullment anyway. As a further insult, DK wings are better in every way AND that class has a shield--proper, that protects from all sources of damage.

Dyride · May 2017

Peekachu99 wrote: »

Re: shields. The Warden's shield is garbage--pure and simple--and I have no idea why they left it as is when every other class (except NB, which gets major evasion as a tradeoff) has a better, full-soaking (physical and magical) shield.

It is one of the worst designed skills in the game. I'm sure you could hamfist it into a build somewhere, but what's the point?

Major Heroism for 6 Secs while being attached from range is pretty good.

Stamden · May 2017

Mojmir wrote: »

Neighbor wrote: »

I don't get why they would release a class with so many missing components and clear problems. I think they really screwed up with the early release and they didn't have enough time to really finish the class.

Same reason they release everything else that's half-assed,incompetence and make a quick buck.

Yup. You'd think that the idea of releasing a class that was decently powerful and viable (and thus selling more DLC) would be enticing though. Money is always a good thing for ZoS, but pure incompetence overrides this I guess.

TheNuminous1 · May 2017

The warden was never ment to be the best or even great dps. They never advertised it as such.

From the very beginning they told us it was a better healer and tank and offheals/offtank would be its best role

MagicalSociety · May 2017

30-40k DPS is good but i would settle for 25 on this class and cant get it

MagicalSociety · May 2017

Im using Full divines Necro - Gold, 3 IA Jewelry all gold Spell DMG enchants, vMA sharpened Inferno and Lightning back bar the same. Just sucks compared to a Magcika sorc or another class!

Lambris x2

MagicalSociety · May 2017

I just wish the Notch Betty was like Surge and the Flies more like Lightning form and this class wold rock, but as it stands I am regretting getting morrowind as for as the new class goes, haven't had time to check out the story and map.

and as far as a pet build goes, you only get one real pet even though your necro procs from the betty and that one pet takes up the ultimate's spot which makes the dps that much harder to get. If you want a good pet build stick with sorc.

subtlezeroub17_ESO · May 2017

Trexton wrote: »

I just wish the Notch Betty was like Surge and the Flies more like Lightning form and this class wold rock, but as it stands I am regretting getting morrowind as for as the new class goes, haven't had time to check out the story and map.

and as far as a pet build goes, you only get one real pet even though your necro procs from the betty and that one pet takes up the ultimate's spot which makes the dps that much harder to get. If you want a good pet build stick with sorc.

But then it'd be a sorc with a nature graphics.

I feel like most of you guys just want a sorc with nature spells. Imagine, if they did that then there would be complaints about that too.

If they were too strong. There would be complaints.

Yeah, the Warden class wasn't exactly what I hoped for but I'm dealing with it my own way instead of complaining that they aren't this and that. They're a supporty class and I'm learning to be okay with that. As long as they are a support type class, they'll never have the DPS of a sorc or even a NB.

Sigma957 · May 2017

The thing is if they made the warden too good then people will cry p2w as it is the warden class is fun to play but doesn't over achieve at anything.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO · May 2017

Peekachu99 wrote: »

Re: shields. The Warden's shield is garbage--pure and simple--and I have no idea why they left it as is when every other class (except NB, which gets major evasion as a tradeoff) has a better, full-soaking (physical and magical) shield.

It is one of the worst designed skills in the game. I'm sure you could hamfist it into a build somewhere, but what's the point?

What you are describing is not a shield, it is closer to the dks wings or defensive stance. A magden has access to a perfectly good shield, harness, just like every other mag class.

idk · May 2017

Trexton wrote: »

After having her maxed and trying a few sets out, I just cant get good dps on a magicka build. I feel like she is lacking behind all my other classes when it comes to dps and survivavility . She has more spell dmg and resistances but feels squishy even with shields. What am I doing wrong with this build?

What is your build. Someone may be able to help though it is a little early for a true meta build to be in play.

hmsdragonfly · May 2017

Peekachu99 wrote: »

hmsdragonfly wrote: »

Peekachu99 wrote: »

Re: shields. The Warden's shield is garbage--pure and simple--and I have no idea why they left it as is when every other class (except NB, which gets major evasion as a tradeoff) has a better, full-soaking (physical and magical) shield.

It is one of the worst designed skills in the game. I'm sure you could hamfist it into a build somewhere, but what's the point?

It's good for fighting against magsorcs. If a stamwd is good enough to see when the frag is proc'd and casts the shield accordingly, he can reduce a magsorc into useless. If a magsorc can't hit you with the frag, he has no chance to burst you down. But that's extremely hard to pull off.

I see what you're saying, but good in one PVP situation doesn't make for a "good" skill, though. Neither morph is particularly compelling either, and if you're playing a magika character you would just slot Anullment anyway. As a further insult, DK wings are better in every way AND that class has a shield--proper, that protects from all sources of damage.

But sorcs and nightblades also don't have something similar to igneous shied, right? It's something unique to the DK. Btw, with all the snipers and magsorcs in cyrodiil, it's good for open world PvP. If you keep this up, bow gankers cannot gank you.

Vaoh · May 2017

Warden is a really awesome class, though it has one singular flaw.

The flaw is that Wardens are horrible for PvE DPS when specced as a Magicka build. Of course, not everyone cares because it will not be a role they will play. However, it is selfish to view any issue like this.

ZOS's whole balancing premise is that all classes are viable at all roles. A few class specs will naturally rise above the others at certain roles. However, there are never suppossed to be significant outliers. Last patch, Mag Sorc was far too powerful, so they recieved a huge nerf to Volatile Familiar. Likewise, ZOS has acknoledged that Magicka Warden is too weak and they will be buffing it at launch and after launch to get them on par as intended.

But for those of us that want to play a Magicka Warden DPS right now? You've got to wait...... I am personally hoping they intelligently buff Warden in a way that does not increase their potential in PvP. It is a far easier task than most would think.

With all of that said, I will level one up and try very hard to create a build+rotation that will put out viable DPS on Mag Warden, solely because I love the Warden class!! The rotation itself may be significantly tougher to perform though than other Mag spec rotations. I am not very optimistic this will work out.

RavenSworn · May 2017

Adapt, evolve or die. It's getting too whiny in here.

jlmurra2 · May 2017

Vaoh wrote: »

Warden is a really awesome class, though it has one singular flaw.

The flaw is that Wardens are horrible for PvE DPS when specced as a Magicka build. Of course, not everyone cares because it will not be a role they will play. However, it is selfish to view any issue like this.

ZOS's whole balancing premise is that all classes are viable at all roles. A few class specs will naturally rise above the others at certain roles. However, there are never suppossed to be significant outliers. Last patch, Mag Sorc was far too powerful, so they recieved a huge nerf to Volatile Familiar. Likewise, ZOS has acknoledged that Magicka Warden is too weak and they will be buffing it at launch and after launch to get them on par as intended.

But for those of us that want to play a Magicka Warden DPS right now? You've got to wait...... I am personally hoping they intelligently buff Warden in a way that does not increase their potential in PvP. It is a far easier task than most would think.

With all of that said, I will level one up and try very hard to create a build+rotation that will put out viable DPS on Mag Warden, solely because I love the Warden class!! The rotation itself may be significantly tougher to perform though than other Mag spec rotations. I am not very optimistic this will work out.

That would be nice. Where, and when did ZOS acknoledge that Magicka Warden is too weak and they will be buffing it at launch, and afterwards?

Dragonnord · May 2017

You mean the new Warden cla$$?