MagDK builds for Morrowind BGs.

Sylphie · May 2017

Any MagDKs wanting to share their current setup for BGs? The current setup that I've been running this patch is 2x Bloodspawn, 5x Black rose, 5x Bloodthorn, all in heavy. I'm somewhat satisfied with the current setup though I do tend to run out of resources when I'm on the defensive since I'm relying on the bloodthorn proc. I also lack a bit of damage since I'm not running skoria, having yet to get a heavy helm with a good trait.

Other setups I've been wanting to test but not having enough gold/rng to obtain are:

Black rose + Alteration mastery
Black rose + Desert rose
Black rose + Amberplasm
Black rose + Lich (backbar snb) + 2 piece Torugs (front bar)

All with either 2p skoria or bloodspawn.

I've also heard good things about the new impregnable set but getting the pieces to test will take awhile.

Jawasa · May 2017

I came up against a magdk with black rose and syrabane. Was a very strong set up vs magicka.

Voryn_Dagoth · May 2017

Sylphie wrote: »

Any MagDKs wanting to share their current setup for BGs? The current setup that I've been running this patch is 2x Bloodspawn, 5x Black rose, 5x Bloodthorn, all in heavy. I'm somewhat satisfied with the current setup though I do tend to run out of resources when I'm on the defensive since I'm relying on the bloodthorn proc. I also lack a bit of damage since I'm not running skoria, having yet to get a heavy helm with a good trait.

Other setups I've been wanting to test but not having enough gold/rng to obtain are:

Black rose + Alteration mastery
Black rose + Desert rose
Black rose + Amberplasm
Black rose + Lich (backbar snb) + 2 piece Torugs (front bar)

All with either 2p skoria or bloodspawn.

I've also heard good things about the new impregnable set but getting the pieces to test will take awhile.

With the Black Rose nerf in one of the foregoing updates and now the nerf to Constitution, Black Rose is now much less viable. Even in a full-heavy setup, the return is relatively low.

Now, if you gear up with Impregnable Armor, you can run an all-Sturdy setup, which will remove the stamina drain concerns for a tank build. Instead of Black Rose, Desert Rose will now provide much better magicka sustain. There are still other interesting options, like Magicka Furnace, but these are usually more annyoing to get.

Depending on your build and playstyle, you could even go with Divines or Infused as trait pieces or a mix of the mentioned. For example, I am thinking about using a Shock staff on the back bar, then I can forego the fifth sustain piece, as I (theoretically) get enough sustain through heavy-attacks. Apart from that, with Molten Armaments the damage will be actually decent, I get the ability to engage in range combat and another means to proc Skoria.

Blood Spawn is a better choice when running a light setup imo, where the added defence is certainly needed.

Sylphie · May 2017

Black rose still returns 1021 magicka and stamina every 4 seconds when in 7/7 heavy, which compared to the returns of 541 when using 5/7 heavy without black rose, making it still one of the magicka+stamina return set for heavy armor imo.

Though I do agree that running 7/7 sturdy with impregnable will be the best way to sustain blocking since it amounts to roughly 500 stamina reduction to block, getting the pieces will take a very long time.

Voryn_Dagoth · May 2017

Stamina sustain is not really of concern, with the setup mentioned above. Apart from that, with the recent update we got a buff to our stamina return: Using an Earthen Heart ability will restore almost 1k stamina and ultimates now provide more stamina as well.

So the only real sustain issue is that of our magicka and in this regard, Desert Rose provides more than twice as much value compared to Black Rose. Desert Rose is arguably the best magicka-return set right now, with Syrabane right next to it. Though Syrabane only works against magicka builds, but with the recent changes, it seems much more stamina players are meanwhile around.

I also don't have my Impregnable set together, yet. This will really take some time and gold.

Xvorg · May 2017

Sylphie wrote: »

Any MagDKs wanting to share their current setup for BGs? The current setup that I've been running this patch is 2x Bloodspawn, 5x Black rose, 5x Bloodthorn, all in heavy. I'm somewhat satisfied with the current setup though I do tend to run out of resources when I'm on the defensive since I'm relying on the bloodthorn proc. I also lack a bit of damage since I'm not running skoria, having yet to get a heavy helm with a good trait.

Other setups I've been wanting to test but not having enough gold/rng to obtain are:

Black rose + Alteration mastery
Black rose + Desert rose
Black rose + Amberplasm
Black rose + Lich (backbar snb) + 2 piece Torugs (front bar)

All with either 2p skoria or bloodspawn.

I've also heard good things about the new impregnable set but getting the pieces to test will take awhile.

Wyrd tree (4) + sun + sentinel

FlyLionel · May 2017

You all don't like the heavy seducers? Myself and a bunch of other people were thinking 5/5/2 heavy seducer and 5 amber/lich with 2skoria...BS solo open world. @Xvorg I just saw wyrd tree, looks amazing. You can sustain perfectly with that and what else? In heavy of course.

Xvorg · May 2017

FlyLionel wrote: »

You all don't like the heavy seducers? Myself and a bunch of other people were thinking 5/5/2 heavy seducer and 5 amber/lich with 2skoria...BS solo open world. @Xvorg I just saw wyrd tree, looks amazing. You can sustain perfectly with that and what else? In heavy of course.

It's because I go 5-4-2 in PvP. Too attached to 2H in my mDK.

Don't get me wrong, I do like S/B, but I find the passives granted for 2H are better for offensive mDK, otherwise I'd go Seducers

Ishammael · May 2017

Xvorg wrote: »

FlyLionel wrote: »

You all don't like the heavy seducers? Myself and a bunch of other people were thinking 5/5/2 heavy seducer and 5 amber/lich with 2skoria...BS solo open world. @Xvorg I just saw wyrd tree, looks amazing. You can sustain perfectly with that and what else? In heavy of course.

It's because I go 5-4-2 in PvP. Too attached to 2H in my mDK.

Don't get me wrong, I do like S/B, but I find the passives granted for 2H are better for offensive mDK, otherwise I'd go Seducers

Better than destro?

Ishammael · May 2017

FlyLionel wrote: »

You all don't like the heavy seducers? Myself and a bunch of other people were thinking 5/5/2 heavy seducer and 5 amber/lich with 2skoria...BS solo open world. @Xvorg I just saw wyrd tree, looks amazing. You can sustain perfectly with that and what else? In heavy of course.

The nice thing about Seducer is that it can be crafted.
However, both Lich and Amber will outperform it if you have access. Desert Rose is really good, too.

FlyLionel · May 2017

Ishammael wrote: »

FlyLionel wrote: »

You all don't like the heavy seducers? Myself and a bunch of other people were thinking 5/5/2 heavy seducer and 5 amber/lich with 2skoria...BS solo open world. @Xvorg I just saw wyrd tree, looks amazing. You can sustain perfectly with that and what else? In heavy of course.

The nice thing about Seducer is that it can be crafted.
However, both Lich and Amber will outperform it if you have access. Desert Rose is really good, too.

Yeah I have access to everything, just dont feel like spending ap to get rng desert rose drops(spent 2mill ap on a set b4 smh). Want to go 5-2 heavy and light, mainly thinking 5 seducer 5 amberplasm for tiny damage and that stam recov is a beauty. I'll try desert rose if it's really good.

Xvorg · May 2017

Ishammael wrote: »

Xvorg wrote: »

FlyLionel wrote: »

You all don't like the heavy seducers? Myself and a bunch of other people were thinking 5/5/2 heavy seducer and 5 amber/lich with 2skoria...BS solo open world. @Xvorg I just saw wyrd tree, looks amazing. You can sustain perfectly with that and what else? In heavy of course.

It's because I go 5-4-2 in PvP. Too attached to 2H in my mDK.

Don't get me wrong, I do like S/B, but I find the passives granted for 2H are better for offensive mDK, otherwise I'd go Seducers

Better than destro?

Destro backbar.

The stam regen when killing with 2H makes it useful for dodge rolling and blocking, and sentinel helps too. The dmg increase with greatsword is 5%, a 3% lower than flame. Besides, weaving whip with 2H seems so natural...

Full heavy with 2H it's also a good resort, and crit rush doesn't stun, so fossilize and stone giant are not wasted (currently I'm using stone giant).

I wanted an mDK as the old ones and this is the best build I've done in that regard. It is not a hybrid, but neither a full mDK (maybe a 75% mDK)

Sylphie · May 2017

FlyLionel wrote: »

You all don't like the heavy seducers? Myself and a bunch of other people were thinking 5/5/2 heavy seducer and 5 amber/lich with 2skoria...BS solo open world. @Xvorg I just saw wyrd tree, looks amazing. You can sustain perfectly with that and what else? In heavy of course.

I liked seducers last patch for CP campaigns since you had reduce block cost but for this patch in non-cp/BGs, the stamina sustain isn't enough to sustain your blocks unless you're running like 4-5 pieces sturdy.

Lexxypwns · May 2017

Skoria is obscenely good in no cp, run it even with bad traits

Voryn_Dagoth · May 2017

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Skoria is obscenely good in no cp, run it even with bad traits

Tell me about it, the pieces I still have to run are Prosperous. But I agree, the burst and range make it the go-to set when looking for more damage. I switched to Skoria from Grothdaar and get much more kills thanks to it.

Btw:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYDKtTMYZRQ

Quickline · May 2017

this will be my build till I have all those sturdy impregnable pieces ^^

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdVzPdHEiAA

I changed one jewelry glyph to reduced block cost!

NIcklas.g87b16_ESO · May 2017

5 Rattlecage + 5 Alteration mastery + monster set is no good anymore?

Maby change the Alteration mastery for Desert rose insted?

Xvorg · May 2017

NIcklas.g87b16_ESO wrote: »

5 Rattlecage + 5 Alteration mastery + monster set is no good anymore?

Maby change the Alteration mastery for Desert rose insted?

Sustain monsters are good. Engine guardian and Sentinel.

The good thing about sentinel is that any heal can make it proc, including those in CP that work with crit hits (received and given)

Vanzen · May 2017

Shacklebreaker/Amberplasm/Skoria.

I feel that no explanation is even needed ...

Look at the stats of both sets combined. You absolutely have everything. You can then adapt to your playstyle with jewelry enchant. More or less offensive.

For me I use 7 sturdy and 1 blocking enchant/2 spell dam

Cherry on top the +2k stam/mag of Shacklebreaker means use of witch mother brew w/o loss of stamina.

DKsUnite · May 2017

I screwed around with shacklebreaker+BSW w/ LA in the first round of PTS and it proved pretty good. IDK about now with the nerf to BSW.

Adenoma · May 2017

I would be most curious about shacklebreaker+amberplasm+Skoria. It wouldn't be a permablock magDK, but could block judiciously. Run purple trifood and all prismatic enchants while a dark elf and that's a pretty solid stamina pool with quite a lot of regen while you LoS folks or when you can afford to face tank.

Hutch679 · May 2017

- Shackle Breaker/ Alteration Mastery/ Valkyn Skoria
- 7/7 Heavy - 5 Impenetrable - 3 Sturdy (Shield)
- Double Sword and Board or Sword and Board/ Restoration Staff
- All spell damage glyphs on jewelry
- All Prismatic glyphs on armor/ shield(s)

This should be a strong setup for Battlegrounds. Not sure what Mundus Stone to run. I would say either Serpent or Atronach. Probably run Serpent if you run Witches Brew.

AverageJo3Gam3r · June 2017

The issue with amberplasm is that stamina recovery turns off when blocking. Same with serpent mundus.

Hutch679 · June 2017

AverageJo3Gam3r wrote: »

The issue with amberplasm is that stamina recovery turns off when blocking. Same with serpent mundus.

Knowing when to let go of block takes some skill. When you let go, you need the recovery to be able to hold it again. At least that's my take on it.

FlyLionel · June 2017

Hutch679 wrote: »

AverageJo3Gam3r wrote: »

The issue with amberplasm is that stamina recovery turns off when blocking. Same with serpent mundus.

Knowing when to let go of block takes some skill. When you let go, you need the recovery to be able to hold it again. At least that's my take on it.

Agreed, i'd say a heavy attack with a tick or two of stam using amberplasm will get you some really good stam back..especially with that CP tenacity was it?

NBrookus · June 2017

FlyLionel wrote: »

Hutch679 wrote: »

AverageJo3Gam3r wrote: »

The issue with amberplasm is that stamina recovery turns off when blocking. Same with serpent mundus.

Knowing when to let go of block takes some skill. When you let go, you need the recovery to be able to hold it again. At least that's my take on it.

Agreed, i'd say a heavy attack with a tick or two of stam using amberplasm will get you some really good stam back..especially with that CP tenacity was it?

There's no Tenacity in Battlegrounds.

Xsorus · June 2017

Wonder if Shackle/Impregnable/Valkyn or Trolls would be good

Vanzen · June 2017

AverageJo3Gam3r wrote: »

The issue with amberplasm is that stamina recovery turns off when blocking. Same with serpent mundus.

You regen stamina when misting ...

AverageJo3Gam3r · June 2017

@Vanzen I dropped vamp a long time ago from my mDK. Mist only prolongs death since you just get continually gap closed while in mist. It's not like we can mist then teleport to a shadow image like a nightblade can.

Hutch679 · June 2017

AverageJo3Gam3r wrote: »

@Vanzen I dropped vamp a long time ago from my mDK. Mist only prolongs death since you just get continually gap closed while in mist. It's not like we can mist then teleport to a shadow image like a nightblade can.

Youre using it wrong. Mist to line of sight.

Vanzen · June 2017

Hutch679 wrote: »

AverageJo3Gam3r wrote: »

@Vanzen I dropped vamp a long time ago from my mDK. Mist only prolongs death since you just get continually gap closed while in mist. It's not like we can mist then teleport to a shadow image like a nightblade can.

Youre using it wrong. Mist to line of sight.

Course you use mist to los ..

But with Amberplasm, the beauty is that you you gain huge stam on top