Waste of money

  • abigfishy
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    Justiciar wrote: »
    So the way I see it is something like this. Would I have paid 15 dollars for a new zone with 30 hours of content? Yes, for sure. Would I have paid another 15 dollars to be able to do battlegrounds with my friends? Yes, sounds about right. Would I have paid 10 dollars for the first new class ever? You betcha.

    That add's up to 40 dollars. So When I think like that, i accept that I don't mind the entry price.

    That said. It's certainly not a full on expansion, which has saddened me somewhat. I do wish there was more meat to it. But regardless, I found it worthwhile.

    Think this guy nailed it. I would slightly change the numbers but if they broke it and put it in the crown store it would be more than reasonable. $25 for a new zone and story. $15 for the new class along with some bonus stuff like a free outfit and crate. $10 for battlegrounds. That is $50 not $40 and I would buy all three without a thought and maybe buy Warden on my alt account as well.
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  • Faulgor
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    You know what's a waste of money?
    Spending any more development resources on new motifs which nobody uses because there's no transmog system.

    As for Morrowind, it's worth the 30€ I paid for it.
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  • slumber_sandb16_ESO
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    Give it a few days and BG's will be fixed, patience.
    And as far as I know they were pretty clear about what the new chapter would include so people would know exactly what they paid for.
  • Sylosi
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    Hallothiel wrote: »
    Some posters here seem to be lsbouringt under the delusion that everything should be for free......

    That is known as empty rhetoric.

    I'd suggest that some posters are simply looking at what they got in ESO for $40 and then comparing that to what they got in expansions for say $40-60 in some other MMOs and Morrowind simply does not come out that well in that comparison.

    For example let's say I compare it to something that was generally considered as a very good expansion - Mines of Moria in LOTRO, with that people got:

    - 2 new classes
    - level cap increase with new skills / traits, etc.
    - legendary item system added
    - 3 raids
    - 7 6-man dungeons
    - 2 3-man dungeons
    - crafting instances
    - 10 new sections to the epic quest (like personal story/main story most MMOs have)
    - 12 new zones
    - Some changes to the PvP map (only PvP in that game was a sort of RvR)

    Now even if that cost $10 more than Morrowind (honestly I can't remember how much it was exactly, other than it was around the price you typically paid for expansions), objectively you got a lot more content for your money than you do with Morrowind.

    Edited by Sylosi on May 29, 2017 10:09AM
  • kalarro
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    Hallothiel wrote: »
    FFS. ENOUGH.

    Damn tired of these threads. Can there be a separate catagory for all the negative whinging moaning end-of-the-game Zos only after the money posts/threads please?
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    Trailed wrote:
    Then don't come in to the post? Simple as that.
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    Hallothiel wrote: »
    Well no. You've kindly voiced your opinion, I have responded with mine. That's kinda how these things work.

    You haven't just responded with your opinion, you have complained, and cursed, about him expressing his opinion.
    Edited by kalarro on May 29, 2017 9:26AM
  • Lord_Eomer
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    Trailed wrote: »
    Vvardenfell is a great zone that I could have played in its ENTIRETY on the original Morrowind. I don't do any Trials, and i'll probably hardly play a Warden, the class isn't that interesting. Many, many people are also furious that we were told it would be a full expansion, only to be screwed over by a company I've been supporting since BETA

    If you do not play trial or not interested in warden then it do not mean we also not like them !
    Edited by Lord_Eomer on May 29, 2017 9:33AM
  • WarMasterCyp
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    Trailed wrote: »
    At this point I feel the Morrowind "Expansion" is a complete waste of money. We've essentially paid 40$+ for a new class, an incomplete map, and BG's that don't function because you cant get in. A 40$ nostalgia fee is pretty ridiculous ZoS. Get it together

    yeah pretty much...
  • Etaniel
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    I got my money's worht, because I got the digital collector's edition as a gift ^^
    I've enjoyed the solo content, but my interest is BGs, and in over a week I've only managed to join 3 games... The queue has been broken the rest of the time.

    The pricetag for this chapter would have been ok if their product worked on release. But as usual, it's ZOS so nothing works.
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  • TheHsN
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    40$ is ok i dont mind it even tho it is not a full Expansion to me... Money is not bothering me... What bothers me is the content that u pay for is almost Broke...

    -i even 1 time could not get in BG
    -Quests and map gives too much error
    -there are many bugs even tho we talked many time on PTS
    -Class That i dont like(personal Opinion) and not unique (all skills are basicly taken from other classes)

    it is bad that u pay for shirts and u are going to wait the day u are going to wear it and u see it is broken:D...

    thats what it is not worth it...
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  • laksikus
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    Etaniel wrote: »
    I got my money's worht, because I got the digital collector's edition as a gift ^^
    I've enjoyed the solo content, but my interest is BGs, and in over a week I've only managed to join 3 games... The queue has been broken the rest of the time.

    The pricetag for this chapter would have been ok if their product worked on release. But as usual, it's ZOS so nothing works.
    They still have a week till release und ;)
  • notimetocare
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    Troneon wrote: »
    Just get a refund and wait until all the gaming websites realize no one wants to buy it and start selling upgrades for £5....

    It will happen and not long from now lol

    Only idiots think this will happen any time soon lol
  • Vahrokh
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    Cocorocho wrote: »
    Do NOT get me wrong, from what i observe people who like Morrowind are mostly solo-players who spend 90% of their play time by questing and role playing and have no interest in endgame pve-pvp content.

    Then it's good. I loved raiding but life happened and now all I can do is to play as "lowly casual" :(
  • Malmai
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    Trailed wrote: »
    At this point I feel the Morrowind "Expansion" is a complete waste of money. We've essentially paid 40$+ for a new class, an incomplete map, and BG's that don't function because you cant get in. A 40$ nostalgia fee is pretty ridiculous ZoS. Get it together

    They could add dungeon as well not just trials...
  • kevlarto_ESO
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    They never called it an expansion, because it is not, it is an addition or chapter, deluxe dlc what ever you want to call it, I bought and have no buyers remorse, why I listened to them I watched the ESO live show, and I knew what they were offering and what I would get and I got exactly that. I do agree it is a bit over priced for what you get but I like the pve and story telling in the game so to me it was worth it. Value is personal preference.

    I really have no plans to go back to pvp all the past cheaters an exploiters ruined for me, but I might check it out to see if the changes helped make a fun place to play again.
  • Brasseurfb16_ESO
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    ZOS can say anything they want, this "chapter" was just a DLC with a sorry excuse to take more money away from people. I have supported the game since it came out, because I think the devs are awesome and I love their game, and I still will in the future.

    But I had to cancel my ESO+ for several months, something I have never consider before, to justify buying that specific DLC. Which is something that could easely have been prevented if the product was purchasable with crowns.

    The marketting team of ZOS is probably one, if not the most, greedy team I have seen working for a company. I have over 20 years of gaming experience, and I'm still baffled by some of the crap they are pulling out to their consumers.
  • THEDKEXPERIENCE
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    If I've learned one thing about millennials from this forum it's that the only thing they love more than pre-ordering something needlessly is canceling pre-orders while loudly proclaiming that everyone else is too.
    Edited by THEDKEXPERIENCE on May 29, 2017 11:49AM
  • kalarro
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    If I've learned one thing about millennials from this forum it's that the only thing they love more than pre-ordering something needlessly is canceling pre-orders while loudly proclaiming that everyone else is too.

    SO you are suggesting that players over 30 years old whine more than kids? lol
  • THEDKEXPERIENCE
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    kalarro wrote: »
    If I've learned one thing about millennials from this forum it's that the only thing they love more than pre-ordering something needlessly is canceling pre-orders while loudly proclaiming that everyone else is too.

    SO you are suggesting that players over 30 years old whine more than kids? lol

    Maybe? Haha
  • Sneaky-Snurr
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    abigfishy wrote: »
    Justiciar wrote: »
    So the way I see it is something like this. Would I have paid 15 dollars for a new zone with 30 hours of content? Yes, for sure. Would I have paid another 15 dollars to be able to do battlegrounds with my friends? Yes, sounds about right. Would I have paid 10 dollars for the first new class ever? You betcha.

    That add's up to 40 dollars. So When I think like that, i accept that I don't mind the entry price.

    That said. It's certainly not a full on expansion, which has saddened me somewhat. I do wish there was more meat to it. But regardless, I found it worthwhile.

    Think this guy nailed it. I would slightly change the numbers but if they broke it and put it in the crown store it would be more than reasonable. $25 for a new zone and story. $15 for the new class along with some bonus stuff like a free outfit and crate. $10 for battlegrounds. That is $50 not $40 and I would buy all three without a thought and maybe buy Warden on my alt account as well.
    @abigfishy @Justiciar
    A sound reasoning/outlook but do keep in mind that this is the first 'Chapter' so the wealth of content atm is very little in Morrowind.
    Wrothgar is a regular DLC but it boasts more content than Morrowind.

    ZoS have not clarified anything if Vvardenfell will get additional content and/or touch-ups. Recall that there are a lot of inaccessible structures which we can only assume that ZoS will open them up + quests in later 'Chapters' and so the question goes, how many 'Chapters' will there be for Morrowind/Vvardenfell alone?
    Say there would be 4 'Chapters' and the average price for all of those is USD25-30 which means the total you'd pay for an expansion (4 Chapters) would be, at the minimum, USD100 which is far overpriced considering the base game has much more content than the expansion and it is also cheaper than the expansion.

    My point is, you have to realise that in the end, ZoS are running a business and they are really pressuring themselves very hard to either grow or sustain their revenue base which I suspect is gradually shrinking as shown by a few red flags such as the featured Kagouti mount that costs as nearly as Morrowind! That in itself does not make any sense.
    Don't let me start with the Elk mount because it costs almost the same as the Kagouti's and also house prices in the crown store.

    That said, USD15 is on point for the new zone and the content and anything further would be pushing it in terms of pricing.
    Even the price of WoW's expansions are fairly low around the region of USD30 and it comes fully polished and wealthy with content unlike Morrowind.

    As it is, this 'Chapter' is simply lacking content for the price you're paying and that is why I'm holding back from buying into Morrowind.
    Edited by Sneaky-Snurr on May 29, 2017 12:44PM
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  • colig
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    If I've learned one thing about millennials from this forum it's that the only thing they love more than pre-ordering something needlessly is canceling pre-orders while loudly proclaiming that everyone else is too.

    Complaining is something everyone of every age does. Not to mention no one here knows what age the forum posters are.
  • colig
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    Trailed wrote: »
    At this point I feel the Morrowind "Expansion" is a complete waste of money. We've essentially paid 40$+ for a new class, an incomplete map, and BG's that don't function because you cant get in. A 40$ nostalgia fee is pretty ridiculous ZoS. Get it together

    A personal opinion not shared by all.

    Yeah, it's a shame when people post their opinions here. Would be better if the hoi polloi stopped throwing refuse at the king in his audience chamber, yes.
  • Elsonso
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    Etaniel wrote: »
    I got my money's worht, because I got the digital collector's edition as a gift ^^
    I've enjoyed the solo content, but my interest is BGs, and in over a week I've only managed to join 3 games... The queue has been broken the rest of the time.

    The pricetag for this chapter would have been ok if their product worked on release. But as usual, it's ZOS so nothing works.

    We'll see, but my guess is that BG will be working by launch on June 6. For PC, at least, if a client patch is needed.
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  • Absolut_Turkey
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    Trailed wrote: »
    Trailed wrote: »
    At this point I feel the Morrowind "Expansion" is a complete waste of money. We've essentially paid 40$+ for a new class, an incomplete map, and BG's that don't function because you cant get in. A 40$ nostalgia fee is pretty ridiculous ZoS. Get it together

    A personal opinion not shared by all.

    Which is why its an opinion, certainly not an unpopular one from what I've been reading either.

    Morrowind is a success. Get over it. If you don't like the game, there are plenty of other mmos out there. [snip]

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    Edited by ZOS_Bill on May 29, 2017 2:42PM
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  • Elsonso
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    Trailed wrote: »
    Trailed wrote: »
    At this point I feel the Morrowind "Expansion" is a complete waste of money. We've essentially paid 40$+ for a new class, an incomplete map, and BG's that don't function because you cant get in. A 40$ nostalgia fee is pretty ridiculous ZoS. Get it together

    A personal opinion not shared by all.

    Which is why its an opinion, certainly not an unpopular one from what I've been reading either.

    Morrowind is a success.

    Yeah, without sales numbers that conflict, it seems to me that they probably consider Morrowind to be a success. Based on my in-game observations, of course. Vvardenfell is not wanting for player population.
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  • kongkim
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    Really like Morrowind so far :)
    Gladly pay the 40$ for this and the Warden.
  • ookami007
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    You didn't SERIOUSLY expect a quality product from ZoS did you? I mean... the only ridiculousness would be to EXPECT value for your money.

    They have time and time again proven they are unable or unwilling (or both) to deliver quality, bug-free products and updates and their nerfs and "game direction" border on a split personality disorder... and you expect... something GOOD from them?
  • Drogo50
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    ookami007 wrote: »
    You didn't SERIOUSLY expect a quality product from ZoS did you? I mean... the only ridiculousness would be to EXPECT value for your money.

    They have time and time again proven they are unable or unwilling (or both) to deliver quality, bug-free products and updates and their nerfs and "game direction" border on a split personality disorder... and you expect... something GOOD from them?

    Why are you even here then?
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  • mb10
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    incomplete map???
    someone explain pls
  • SanTii.92
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    Trailed wrote: »
    Fair enough. And as an individual who hasn't even played it yet, your opinion is meaningless to me. That's how these things work

    Well, as someone who got nothing new to say that hasn't been already hudreds of times, so are yours.
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