Now that you've sucked the fun out of the game ZOS what is your next big plan?

Judgedread101071 · May 2017

Before any of the forum trolls start,I am letting know that I 've completed evrything there is in this game as far as PVE goes.This includes vr MSA with flawless on 3 characters and all the hard modes in every trial except HoF which at this momment i have no interest of doing.( With that being said this is not a "content is too hard" thread.)
I can still hit 42k+ on the dummy with little effort and only ele and potions as support.
I can still complete all Trials with some loss as far as dps and time is concerned.
BUT is it enjoyable? [SNIP] NO
In every single fight now i am forced for 40% of the time to just sit there with my ....[Snip] in my hand and heavy attack so i dont run out of resources.
Of course there are dozens of ways to balance things out after the huge nerf to sustainability (reduction glyphs.poisons,different mundus etc) in your pathetic effort to tone down dps , but none of them will save you from having to heavy attack a lot, which leads to dull, slow paced fights wich is nothing like we were used to.
Some people will say L2 adapt but if buy adapt you mean learn how to ...heavy attack then you are stupid.Thats the only adaptation they are forcing us to do which again lead to the slow AF fights.
Your laziness to create challenging content with clever mechanics lead you to this nerf fest.
And all you actually accomplished is make a somewhat good game to be boring AF.
Also you charged 40 euros for a DLC or expansion or whatever you want to call this but you didnt offer one single free character slot you cheap *** so....kudos to you.

[EDITED to remove profanity]

Stamden · May 2017

Apparently Spellcrafting. Which to me just sounds like more content that stamina players are locked out from.

WalksonGraves · May 2017

6 years till they release their next fallout themed Sims dollhouse simulator. This time with even less rpg!

Absolut_Turkey · May 2017

tl;dr
Wahhhh! I rushed through the content, and I'm not having fun anymore. It's all Zenimax's fault!

DocFrost72 · May 2017

If I'm honest, it sounds like the game stopped being fun for you long before morrowind, friend. Maybe take a vacation and return? It can help.

Neighbor wrote: »

Apparently Spellcrafting. Which to me just sounds like more content that stamina players are locked out from.

Just the opposite: my stamplar, stamblade, and stam DK could use magicka dumps like my stam sorc has in dark deal and surge.

Judgedread101071 · May 2017

Absolut_Turkey wrote: »

tl;dr
Wahhhh! I rushed through the content, and I'm not having fun anymore. It's all Zenimax's fault!

I wonder if it is tl;dr how can you comment mate?

Edziu · May 2017

Im with you @Judgedread101071 ...this is just laziness what they have done now and its including morrowind..for 1st its not expansion..its just rather dlc but only thanks to :Morrowind" name with very good history in games and nostaltgia, they call morrowind as expansion which this isnt

sam thing how they forgot to raise "floor" with lower ceiling....they rowered it more than ceiling which has adapted and now this "floor" is mre unable to done just vet endgame event without hm which was able to do only for really top pve guilds

Etaniel · May 2017

Absolut_Turkey wrote: »

tl;dr
Wahhhh! I rushed through the content, and I'm not having fun anymore. It's all Zenimax's fault!

Not at all what he said.

Judgedread101071 · May 2017

Edziu wrote: »

Im with you @Judgedread101071 ...this is just laziness what they have done now and its including morrowind..for 1st its not expansion..its just rather dlc but only thanks to :Morrowind" name with very good history in games and nostaltgia, they call morrowind as expansion which this isnt

sam thing how they forgot to raise "floor" with lower ceiling....they rowered it more than ceiling which has adapted and now this "floor" is mre unable to done just vet endgame event without hm which was able to do only for really top pve guilds

yeahh not to mention how unfair it is to people who haven't finished HM MoL by now or MSA for that matter.
At lest i was among the lucky ones to have done everything be4 this nerf freaking fest.

Judgedread101071 · May 2017

Etaniel wrote: »

Absolut_Turkey wrote: »

tl;dr
Wahhhh! I rushed through the content, and I'm not having fun anymore. It's all Zenimax's fault!

Not at all what he said.

My apologies then

Absolut_Turkey · May 2017

Judgedread101071 wrote: »

Absolut_Turkey wrote: »

tl;dr
Wahhhh! I rushed through the content, and I'm not having fun anymore. It's all Zenimax's fault!

I wonder if it is tl;dr how can you comment mate?

Obvious thread is obvious.

DocFrost72 · May 2017

Judgedread101071 wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

Im with you @Judgedread101071 ...this is just laziness what they have done now and its including morrowind..for 1st its not expansion..its just rather dlc but only thanks to :Morrowind" name with very good history in games and nostaltgia, they call morrowind as expansion which this isnt

sam thing how they forgot to raise "floor" with lower ceiling....they rowered it more than ceiling which has adapted and now this "floor" is mre unable to done just vet endgame event without hm which was able to do only for really top pve guilds

yeahh not to mention how unfair it is to people who haven't finished HM MoL by now or MSA for that matter.
At lest i was among the lucky ones to have done everything be4 this nerf freaking fest.

Have you tried vMA since the changes? It is definately slower built for sustain, but ironically thanks to ironclad players are actually just as tanky if not more so than pre patch.

As far as MoL, I nope from it last patch, let alone this one xD

Judgedread101071 · May 2017

DocFrost72 wrote: »

Judgedread101071 wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

Im with you @Judgedread101071 ...this is just laziness what they have done now and its including morrowind..for 1st its not expansion..its just rather dlc but only thanks to :Morrowind" name with very good history in games and nostaltgia, they call morrowind as expansion which this isnt

sam thing how they forgot to raise "floor" with lower ceiling....they rowered it more than ceiling which has adapted and now this "floor" is mre unable to done just vet endgame event without hm which was able to do only for really top pve guilds

yeahh not to mention how unfair it is to people who haven't finished HM MoL by now or MSA for that matter.
At lest i was among the lucky ones to have done everything be4 this nerf freaking fest.

Have you tried vMA since the changes? It is definately slower built for sustain, but ironically thanks to ironclad players are actually just as tanky if not more so than pre patch.

As far as MoL, I nope from it last patch, let alone this one xD

I actually did half a run with my magsorc earlier.Be4 patch i could easily finish with little effort and no potions with a pet build.
After patch magicka was 20% to 0 all the time even with pots.

DocFrost72 · May 2017

Judgedread101071 wrote: »

DocFrost72 wrote: »

Judgedread101071 wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

Im with you @Judgedread101071 ...this is just laziness what they have done now and its including morrowind..for 1st its not expansion..its just rather dlc but only thanks to :Morrowind" name with very good history in games and nostaltgia, they call morrowind as expansion which this isnt

sam thing how they forgot to raise "floor" with lower ceiling....they rowered it more than ceiling which has adapted and now this "floor" is mre unable to done just vet endgame event without hm which was able to do only for really top pve guilds

yeahh not to mention how unfair it is to people who haven't finished HM MoL by now or MSA for that matter.
At lest i was among the lucky ones to have done everything be4 this nerf freaking fest.

Have you tried vMA since the changes? It is definately slower built for sustain, but ironically thanks to ironclad players are actually just as tanky if not more so than pre patch.

As far as MoL, I nope from it last patch, let alone this one xD

I actually did half a run with my magsorc earlier.Be4 patch i could easily finish with little effort and no potions with a pet build.
After patch magicka was 20% to 0 all the time even with pots.

Are you wearing the same gear as pre patch? I switched to a heavy attack build for magicka and got myself a precise lich resto for a future build. As far as stam, marksman and the acorn drink pair very well.

Direct damage got a sizeable bump in morrowind, so you can afford to change your build around a little and not lose too much damage

nhisso · May 2017

Absolut_Turkey wrote: »

tl;dr
Wahhhh! I rushed through the content, and I'm not having fun anymore. It's all Zenimax's fault!

Exactly what happened.
Im known to talk to **** about the dumbed down 5 skill hot bar, sure, but to claim the content is lacking and the combat is slow and relies on heavy attacks is dishonest af.
Sounds like tc needs to move on.

Judgedread101071 · May 2017

DocFrost72 wrote: »

Judgedread101071 wrote: »

DocFrost72 wrote: »

Judgedread101071 wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

Im with you @Judgedread101071 ...this is just laziness what they have done now and its including morrowind..for 1st its not expansion..its just rather dlc but only thanks to :Morrowind" name with very good history in games and nostaltgia, they call morrowind as expansion which this isnt

sam thing how they forgot to raise "floor" with lower ceiling....they rowered it more than ceiling which has adapted and now this "floor" is mre unable to done just vet endgame event without hm which was able to do only for really top pve guilds

yeahh not to mention how unfair it is to people who haven't finished HM MoL by now or MSA for that matter.
At lest i was among the lucky ones to have done everything be4 this nerf freaking fest.

Have you tried vMA since the changes? It is definately slower built for sustain, but ironically thanks to ironclad players are actually just as tanky if not more so than pre patch.

As far as MoL, I nope from it last patch, let alone this one xD

I actually did half a run with my magsorc earlier.Be4 patch i could easily finish with little effort and no potions with a pet build.
After patch magicka was 20% to 0 all the time even with pots.

Are you wearing the same gear as pre patch? I switched to a heavy attack build for magicka and got myself a precise lich resto for a future build. As far as stam, marksman and the acorn drink pair very well.

Direct damage got a sizeable bump in morrowind, so you can afford to change your build around a little and not lose too much damage

Nope,didn't change anything in purpose.I wanted to see how much the nerfs affected MSA.5xnecro 4xmoondancer with staff on main bar and maelstrom on back bar and 2x Illambris

kongkim · May 2017

QQ Heavy Attacks are part of the combat system. Before this patch most people never used it. ofc. the want you to use it. and before you had unlimited sustain, where were the fun in that?

And yes this is just a QQ thread as it is a personal opinion. I still find a lot of fun in the game. And a lot of people do.

lagrue · May 2017

Neighbor wrote: »

Apparently Spellcrafting. Which to me just sounds like more content that stamina players are locked out from.

So the last however long of Stamina sets being better than Magicka wasn't good enough? I think we'll always have a hard time finding an optimal balance between the two.

And who says spellcrafting has to leave Stamina players out - I'm pretty sure like every ability in this game can be converted to stamina anyway. I highly doubt Stam players would be left out.

DocFrost72 · May 2017

Judgedread101071 wrote: »

DocFrost72 wrote: »

Judgedread101071 wrote: »

DocFrost72 wrote: »

Judgedread101071 wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

Im with you @Judgedread101071 ...this is just laziness what they have done now and its including morrowind..for 1st its not expansion..its just rather dlc but only thanks to :Morrowind" name with very good history in games and nostaltgia, they call morrowind as expansion which this isnt

sam thing how they forgot to raise "floor" with lower ceiling....they rowered it more than ceiling which has adapted and now this "floor" is mre unable to done just vet endgame event without hm which was able to do only for really top pve guilds

yeahh not to mention how unfair it is to people who haven't finished HM MoL by now or MSA for that matter.
At lest i was among the lucky ones to have done everything be4 this nerf freaking fest.

Have you tried vMA since the changes? It is definately slower built for sustain, but ironically thanks to ironclad players are actually just as tanky if not more so than pre patch.

As far as MoL, I nope from it last patch, let alone this one xD

I actually did half a run with my magsorc earlier.Be4 patch i could easily finish with little effort and no potions with a pet build.
After patch magicka was 20% to 0 all the time even with pots.

Are you wearing the same gear as pre patch? I switched to a heavy attack build for magicka and got myself a precise lich resto for a future build. As far as stam, marksman and the acorn drink pair very well.

Direct damage got a sizeable bump in morrowind, so you can afford to change your build around a little and not lose too much damage

Nope,didn't change anything in purpose.I wanted to see how much the nerfs affected MSA.5xnecro 4xmoondancer with staff on main bar and maelstrom on back bar and 2x Illambris

Please don't take this the wrong way, but maelstrom didn't change at all. Sustain is more important now. Your abilities got a 15% cost increase, you can't play the game the same way. If this isn't your preferred way to play, totally legit and cool. Not everyone likes it.

ZOS actually nailed it with what they wanted. They wanted damage and regen to be choices, not together. Course, if you don't like that idea, it will stink having tasted free 15% cost reduct, and even I'll admit I'm still salty about that.

Orjix · May 2017

kongkim wrote: »

QQ Heavy Attacks are part of the combat system. Before this patch most people never used it. ofc. the want you to use it. and before you had unlimited sustain, where were the fun in that?

And yes this is just a QQ thread as it is a personal opinion. I still find a lot of fun in the game. And a lot of people do.

heavy attacks ARE a part of the combat system, but that's not the point. the point is heavy attacks ARE NOT FUM, they just lead to boring and repetitive fights. that being said the nerf hasn't hit me (only really play magblade) that bad, it just leads to a more boring game, i take out a group of NPCs and then stealth and wait for my majika to regen. i just sit there doing nothing, it really hasn't affected my game other than the fact that it creates way more downtime with nothing to do.

Graydon · May 2017

Judgedread101071 wrote: »

Before any of the forum trolls start,I am letting know that I 've completed evrything there is in this game as far as PVE goes.This includes vr MSA with flawless on 3 characters and all the hard modes in every trial except HoF which at this momment i have no interest of doing.( With that being said this is not a "content is too hard" thread.)
I can still hit 42k+ on the dummy with little effort and only ele and potions as support.
I can still complete all Trials with some loss as far as dps and time is concerned.
BUT is it enjoyable? Fruck NO
In every single fight now i am forced for 40% of the time to just sit there with my ....dirk in my hand and heavy attack so i dont run out of resources.
Of course there are dozens of ways to balance things out after the huge nerf to sustainability (reduction glyphs.poisons,different mundus etc) in your pathetic effort to tone down dps , but none of them will save you from having to heavy attack a lot, which leads to dull, slow paced fights wich is nothing like we were used to.
Some people will say L2 adapt but if buy adapt you mean learn how to ...heavy attack then you are stupid.Thats the only adaptation they are forcing us to do which again lead to the slow AF fights.
Your laziness to create challenging content with clever mechanics lead you to this nerf fest.
And all you actually accomplished is make a somewhat good game to be boring AF.
Also you charged 40 euros for a DLC or expansion or whatever you want to call this but you didnt offer one single free character slot you cheap *** so....kudos to you.

1. Go outside,
2. Get a job,
3. Find a girlfriend.
*** equals ***
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Judgedread101071 · May 2017

kongkim wrote: »

QQ Heavy Attacks are part of the combat system. Before this patch most people never used it. ofc. the want you to use it. and before you had unlimited sustain, where were the fun in that?

And yes this is just a QQ thread as it is a personal opinion. I still find a lot of fun in the game. And a lot of people do.

Really happy you enjoy the game mate.As far as infinite sustain goes be4 patch well i bet all those post in here of how sustain was awfull with pug groups are just fantasies.
Yes the sustain was good in good groups where healers were providing orbs ele and shards and everyone was poping orbs.
But you'd still strugle in pug groups.
If you knew any better you'd see that this is not a personal opinion it is ZOS's goal to "tone" dps and the fast pace combats so ...mehh

Judgedread101071 · May 2017

Graydon wrote: »

Judgedread101071 wrote: »

Before any of the forum trolls start,I am letting know that I 've completed evrything there is in this game as far as PVE goes.This includes vr MSA with flawless on 3 characters and all the hard modes in every trial except HoF which at this momment i have no interest of doing.( With that being said this is not a "content is too hard" thread.)
I can still hit 42k+ on the dummy with little effort and only ele and potions as support.
I can still complete all Trials with some loss as far as dps and time is concerned.
BUT is it enjoyable? Fruck NO
In every single fight now i am forced for 40% of the time to just sit there with my ....dirk in my hand and heavy attack so i dont run out of resources.
Of course there are dozens of ways to balance things out after the huge nerf to sustainability (reduction glyphs.poisons,different mundus etc) in your pathetic effort to tone down dps , but none of them will save you from having to heavy attack a lot, which leads to dull, slow paced fights wich is nothing like we were used to.
Some people will say L2 adapt but if buy adapt you mean learn how to ...heavy attack then you are stupid.Thats the only adaptation they are forcing us to do which again lead to the slow AF fights.
Your laziness to create challenging content with clever mechanics lead you to this nerf fest.
And all you actually accomplished is make a somewhat good game to be boring AF.
Also you charged 40 euros for a DLC or expansion or whatever you want to call this but you didnt offer one single free character slot you cheap *** so....kudos to you.

1. Go outside,
2. Get a job,
3. Find a girl friend.
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Thx.that is very insightfull

kongkim · May 2017

Orjix wrote: »

kongkim wrote: »

QQ Heavy Attacks are part of the combat system. Before this patch most people never used it. ofc. the want you to use it. and before you had unlimited sustain, where were the fun in that?

And yes this is just a QQ thread as it is a personal opinion. I still find a lot of fun in the game. And a lot of people do.

heavy attacks ARE a part of the combat system, but that's not the point. the point is heavy attacks ARE NOT FUM, they just lead to boring and repetitive fights. that being said the nerf hasn't hit me (only really play magblade) that bad, it just leads to a more boring game, i take out a group of NPCs and then stealth and wait for my majika to regen. i just sit there doing nothing, it really hasn't affected my game other than the fact that it creates way more downtime with nothing to do.

Way is it more boring then pushing 1 on your keyboard and see a skill fire ones? The holding you mouse down and see your weapon hit? Heavy Attack is just like another "skill" that everyone has the give resources back.
Don't see how it's more boring.
I can understand that some think it more boring that they can't spam their skills now without thinking about sustain.
But sustain was way to easy before and dev's simply just like that to be a part of the game to think about.

Kiralyn2000 · May 2017

WalksonGraves wrote: »

6 years till they release their next fallout themed Sims dollhouse simulator. This time with even less rpg!

Not sure what a different dev's projects has to do with ZOS/ESO, but hey whatever floats your boat. /shrug

re: "but heavy attacks are boring". So one repetitive DPS rotation is fun, and a different repetitive DPS rotation is not fun. Got it.

Orjix · May 2017

kongkim wrote: »

Orjix wrote: »

kongkim wrote: »

QQ Heavy Attacks are part of the combat system. Before this patch most people never used it. ofc. the want you to use it. and before you had unlimited sustain, where were the fun in that?

And yes this is just a QQ thread as it is a personal opinion. I still find a lot of fun in the game. And a lot of people do.

heavy attacks ARE a part of the combat system, but that's not the point. the point is heavy attacks ARE NOT FUM, they just lead to boring and repetitive fights. that being said the nerf hasn't hit me (only really play magblade) that bad, it just leads to a more boring game, i take out a group of NPCs and then stealth and wait for my majika to regen. i just sit there doing nothing, it really hasn't affected my game other than the fact that it creates way more downtime with nothing to do.

Way is it more boring then pushing 1 on your keyboard and see a skill fire ones? The holding you mouse down and see your weapon hit? Heavy Attack is just like another "skill" that everyone has the give resources back.
Don't see how it's more boring.
I can understand that some think it more boring that they can't spam their skills now without thinking about sustain.
But sustain was way to easy before and dev's simply just like that to be a part of the game to think about.

because i never just spammed buttons, i would (most of the time, excluding bosses) rarely use the same attack/ skill twice to take out an enemy, the fun was in using all of your skills, not just one ore two. now i'm forced to stop in the middle of my attack cycle to hold down the mouse button for 2 seconds. oh what fun, this is the best ever, i love it!

ookami007 · May 2017

Judgedread101071 wrote: »

Before any of the forum trolls start,I am letting know that I 've completed evrything there is in this game as far as PVE goes.This includes vr MSA with flawless on 3 characters and all the hard modes in every trial except HoF which at this momment i have no interest of doing.( With that being said this is not a "content is too hard" thread.)
I can still hit 42k+ on the dummy with little effort and only ele and potions as support.
I can still complete all Trials with some loss as far as dps and time is concerned.
BUT is it enjoyable? Fruck NO
In every single fight now i am forced for 40% of the time to just sit there with my ....dirk in my hand and heavy attack so i dont run out of resources.
Of course there are dozens of ways to balance things out after the huge nerf to sustainability (reduction glyphs.poisons,different mundus etc) in your pathetic effort to tone down dps , but none of them will save you from having to heavy attack a lot, which leads to dull, slow paced fights wich is nothing like we were used to.
Some people will say L2 adapt but if buy adapt you mean learn how to ...heavy attack then you are stupid.Thats the only adaptation they are forcing us to do which again lead to the slow AF fights.
Your laziness to create challenging content with clever mechanics lead you to this nerf fest.
And all you actually accomplished is make a somewhat good game to be boring AF.
Also you charged 40 euros for a DLC or expansion or whatever you want to call this but you didnt offer one single free character slot you cheap *** so....kudos to you.

Yes... in an effort to make combat more fast paced, they slowed it down. Makes PERFECT sense... IF you're ZoS.

kongkim · May 2017

Judgedread101071 wrote: »

kongkim wrote: »

QQ Heavy Attacks are part of the combat system. Before this patch most people never used it. ofc. the want you to use it. and before you had unlimited sustain, where were the fun in that?

And yes this is just a QQ thread as it is a personal opinion. I still find a lot of fun in the game. And a lot of people do.

Really happy you enjoy the game mate.As far as infinite sustain goes be4 patch well i bet all those post in here of how sustain was awfull with pug groups are just fantasies.
Yes the sustain was good in good groups where healers were providing orbs ele and shards and everyone was poping orbs.
But you'd still strugle in pug groups.
If you knew any better you'd see that this is not a personal opinion it is ZOS's goal to "tone" dps and the fast pace combats so ...mehh

Come on dude.. there have been several videos on YT and forum that show people that never run dry before the patch.
It was way to easy to maintain unlimited sustain. And that was also fun. But a little stupid seen for a game point.
Even pug groups were too easy. Most people did not have a problem and were able to stack HIGH damage and still kick ass with only small problems in longer fights.

And plz. show mere were ZOS has said they do it to tone down DPS? I know its a side effect of the changes. But show mere were they say it way they do it?

Idinuse · May 2017

Judgedread101071 wrote: »

Absolut_Turkey wrote: »

tl;dr
Wahhhh! I rushed through the content, and I'm not having fun anymore. It's all Zenimax's fault!

I wonder if it is tl;dr how can you comment mate?

He rushed through the OP, had no fun and now it's OP's fault. Obviously.

Dracindo · May 2017

Have you heard of the wonderful concept of PvP?

I'm pretty sure lots of players would love to challenge your

Judgedread101071 wrote: »

I can still hit 42k+ on the dummy with little effort

character.

NobleNerd · May 2017

This whole sustain issue would be better resolved by giving some of the more predominant abilities a short cool down. I know ZOS hates that word, but there is a reason every MMO (another word ZOS hates) uses them in one way or another.... they work to manage overuse of abilities and create a diverse combat situation. Infinite resource/sustain is not fun either when people spam 2 abilities over and over.