Warden: Stam vs Mag.

Cheveyo · May 2017

What are the strengths and weaknesses of each, in your eyes?

Docmandu · May 2017

PvP-wise Mag warden, high group utility, great support toon.. terrible DPS character. At least, from what I'm noticing while levelling mine.. not level 50 yet, so take this with a grain of salt. (full training gear can hardly be called a DPS set :P ).

Mojmir · May 2017

Mag version seems like another utility class or solo questing. Not impressed at max level with bis slot gear. Leveling Stan for the hell of it.

Shir0kami · May 2017

From what I noticed so far - magden is great at supporting, giving your group buffs, slowing enemies, healing etc. - doing all any self respectable support would do. However magden's DPS is lowest of all classes, I even watched someone (was it Alcast? I think so at least) test DPS of all mag classes - warden scored lowest, and could not even get to 30k (it was getting to 26k) whereas even magblade easily went over 30k (and keep in mind magblade was considered weakest dps).

Stamblade however offers good dps and great burst (if you can time your skills well, you can get your enemy 100-5/10 (low enough to be killed with the next blow) within one second. Prep Subterranean Assault, cast Cutting Dive and use your charge (if you have 2h). With good timing, Assault will hit just as you charge and your Dive hits, leaving your opponent wrecked. Pop your bear at that moment and it's K.O.

That is PvP of course. In PvE stamden still offers respectable DPS (quite better than magden), and you can still spread some buffs, however group utility goes down while DPS goes up. So basically it's a tradeoff - utility for dps. Myself however - I prefer stamden, not just for numbers but because as magden I feel gimped. Templar can also heal from behind and do more damage while also offering team support via buffs, regening resources etc. - hence I'd rather pick stam, I feel as if I'm doing more.

ADarklore · May 2017

Shir0kami wrote: »

From what I noticed so far - magden is great at supporting, giving your group buffs, slowing enemies, healing etc. - doing all any self respectable support would do. However magden's DPS is lowest of all classes, I even watched someone (was it Alcast? I think so at least) test DPS of all mag classes - warden scored lowest, and could not even get to 30k (it was getting to 26k) whereas even magblade easily went over 30k (and keep in mind magblade was considered weakest dps).

Stamblade however offers good dps and great burst (if you can time your skills well, you can get your enemy 100-5/10 (low enough to be killed with the next blow) within one second. Prep Subterranean Assault, cast Cutting Dive and use your charge (if you have 2h). With good timing, Assault will hit just as you charge and your Dive hits, leaving your opponent wrecked. Pop your bear at that moment and it's K.O.

That is PvP of course. In PvE stamden still offers respectable DPS (quite better than magden), and you can still spread some buffs, however group utility goes down while DPS goes up. So basically it's a tradeoff - utility for dps. Myself however - I prefer stamden, not just for numbers but because as magden I feel gimped. Templar can also heal from behind and do more damage while also offering team support via buffs, regening resources etc. - hence I'd rather pick stam, I feel as if I'm doing more.

I think one of the major problems with Magden is that Winter's Revenge is using WEAPON crit instead of SPELL crit. I'm curious to know what skills and gear these 'poor DPS' players are running. Because even leveling right now, my Magden can just stand still and hold block and enemies are dying all around him. Using Frost staff with Elemental Blockade, Winter's Revenge, Deep Fissure, Fetcher Infection and Pulsar as my primary bar while adding Blue Betty, Lotus Blossom, Expansive Frost Cloak for utility.