How do you feel about Morrowind? is a...

jorgeh401b14_ESO · May 2017

Do you feel like morrowind is an Expansion or just DLC with a new class and BG?

I ask because I'm reading that a lot of morrowind is just scenery and the quest count is lower then Orsinium. what do you early access people think?

idk · May 2017

Morrowind is about the size of Orsinium plus a new class and BGs and a group trial vs just a single person trial. There is more than the largest DLC that has been introduced so far.

itehache · May 2017

DLC

Just to clarify: I love this game, a lot. I play it almost daily and I will play it until the servers go down. I am subscribed and I won´t unsub.
However, even though Morrowind adds a new zone + battlegrounds + trial + warden, I still consider it a DLC.
I can´t help it but compare it to WoW, as it is the only other MMO I ever played. WIth a WoW expansion you got more content. Several group dungeons (sadly none in Morrowind) and you would usually get a new class or a new race with any expansion (BUT! the expansion was more expensive and subscribing is compulsory, we also need to take this into account).
Anyways, I like Morrowind, I do not regret my pre order but I consider it a DLC.

dpencil1 · May 2017

EXPANSION

The distinction has nothing to do with size. The devs said specifically, they didn't like the idea of ESO+ members being able to create a Warden and then drop their sub. It also helps to more accurately monotize it globally.

I think the better questions would be:
1. Should Battlegrounds have been tied to Morrowind or part of the base game update?
2. Should the Warden have been tied to Morrowind or part of the base game update?
3. Is $40 an appropriate price for the content provided in Morrowind?

Personally, I would have liked to see Battlegrounds be a Crown Store item that would also be bundled into Morrowind purchases. (Maybe this is something that could be added down the road.)

The Warden makes sense to be locked behind a real cash wall.

I did buy it. I spend more money on a nice dinner. And considering I am not an ESO+ member, the amount I actually spend per year on discount crown packs for dlcs and these new chapters is laughably cheap compared to the vast hours of enjoyment I get out of ESO.

Sheey · May 2017

DLC

Warden class is an Base game upgrade you can unlock behind a paywall.

BG is a Base game upgrade you unlock behind a paywall.

Morrowind is a DLC.

Just because warden and BG got released with morrowind as paywall doesnt mean they have anything to do with eachother.

Everstorm · May 2017

DLC = downloadable content. I downloaded Morrowind, so for me it's both. In other words: using the term DLC when argueing about whether or not Morrowind is big enough to warrant the price is pointless.

Galwylin · May 2017

DLC

If you just take the base Morrowind, ignore the new class and battlegrounds, I'm not even sure we have a DLC here. I broke 50 quests just before I left after doing every quest I could (minus the remaining dailies). And I;m pretty sure I found every one of them. I would say it took me pretty close to the 30 hours we were promised just on the main story quest for it yet I did them all within that time period. It just seems a bit sparse especially since I took some time out for dungeon runs and battlegrounds (when I had them working). I really want to give them props due to finally having more character appearance improvements found within the game. I think I'm disappointed. Not disappointed mad but sad because you can just see the beginnings of what could have been.

Silver_Strider · May 2017

Honestly, if we classify it as an expansion, we're gonna have to give it the benefit of the doubt.
What I mean is that, most expansions (at least from what I've played) give you a feel of the land, open up the story a little, so on and so forth. As time goes on, more content is added to the expansion via patches (or in ESO's more likely situation, DLC). What if some of the walled off areas will open up as part of DLC content for Morrowind? What if all those ruins and structures that dot Morrowind's Landscape become explorable at some point as Dungeons?

I honestly expect that to be the case with Morrowind. I hope it isn't though because if it is, that means Morrowind will become a mandatory purchase and won't go on sell until the NEXT chapter is released.

lihentian · May 2017

DLC

if you take out the warden class, it is not much bigger then Orsinium dlc. personally i believe all class should be open to all player, not enforced to purchase to play. (i already pre order morrowind several weeks ago.. so am not asking for free stuff here)

imo it is just a dlc which been called expansion to make more profit.. also it is not really a must have, like all other dlc this doesn't provide much content to get you through 1~50.

jorgeh401b14_ESO · May 2017

dpencil1 wrote: »

The distinction has nothing to do with size. The devs said specifically, they didn't like the idea of ESO+ members being able to create a Warden and then drop their sub. It also helps to more accurately monotize it globally.

I think the better questions would be:
1. Should Battlegrounds have been tied to Morrowind or part of the base game update?
2. Should the Warden have been tied to Morrowind or part of the base game update?
3. Is $40 an appropriate price for the content provided in Morrowind?

Personally, I would have liked to see Battlegrounds be a Crown Store item that would also be bundled into Morrowind purchases. (Maybe this is something that could be added down the road.)

The Warden makes sense to be locked behind a real cash wall.

I did buy it. I spend more money on a nice dinner. And considering I am not an ESO+ member, the amount I actually spend per year on discount crown packs for dlcs and these new chapters is laughably cheap compared to the vast hours of enjoyment I get out of ESO.

would you say they added the class and BG to make it feel like your getting more then you are?

AhPook_Is_Here · May 2017

jorgeh401b14_ESO wrote: »

Do you feel like morrowind is an Expansion or just DLC with a new class and BG?

I ask because I'm reading that a lot of morrowind is just scenery and the quest count is lower then Orsinium. what do you early access people think?

It waddles, it quacks, it's a ham sammich.

jorgeh401b14_ESO · May 2017

Everstorm wrote: »

DLC = downloadable content. I downloaded Morrowind, so for me it's both. In other words: using the term DLC when argueing about whether or not Morrowind is big enough to warrant the price is pointless.

I'm speaking more in content not map sive, do you get more then you did in the other DLC's? is it more like orsinium which is DLC or do you get the amount of contend we got from 1/3 of the the main game factions?

jorgeh401b14_ESO · May 2017

Silver_Strider wrote: »

What if some of the walled off areas will open up as part of DLC content for Morrowind? What if all those ruins and structures that dot Morrowind's Landscape become explorable at some point as Dungeons?

if so much is walled off/un-explorable do you feel like it can be called an expansion?

StormWylf · May 2017

EXPANSION

dpencil1 wrote: »

The distinction has nothing to do with size...

I did buy it. I spend more money on a nice dinner. And considering I am not an ESO+ member, the amount I actually spend per year on discount crown packs for dlcs and these new chapters is laughably cheap compared to the vast hours of enjoyment I get out of ESO.

So glad you said this. The price is in the end laughably cheap. A few cups of overpriced coffee, or a couple of hours at the bar, hell the average length of a movie (roughly) is 120 minutes and in California you will spend more than forty dollars for two tickets, popcorn and a drink. Hell I would argue that even the naysayers and trolls on these forums get more than 40 dollars worth of enjoyment just posting their negative comments.

jorgeh401b14_ESO · May 2017

StormWylf wrote: »

dpencil1 wrote: »

The distinction has nothing to do with size...

I did buy it. I spend more money on a nice dinner. And considering I am not an ESO+ member, the amount I actually spend per year on discount crown packs for dlcs and these new chapters is laughably cheap compared to the vast hours of enjoyment I get out of ESO.

So glad you said this. The price is in the end laughably cheap. A few cups of overpriced coffee, or a couple of hours at the bar, hell the average length of a movie (roughly) is 120 minutes and in California you will spend more than forty dollars for two tickets, popcorn and a drink. Hell I would argue that even the naysayers and trolls on these forums get more than 40 dollars worth of enjoyment just posting their negative comments.

the cost is not in question, is the amount of contend delivered with morrowind justify it being called and expatiation.
and with that said is it called an expansion just to justify the cost?

Galwylin · May 2017

DLC

Its never been about the price to me. Its the little dance they did to justified having to pay it.

Now, if they do revisit Morrowind, I certainly hope its not more cash and will simply be free to anyone who owns Morrowind. That's one thing I'm afraid of with this money grubbing devious mindset they've adopted. There is simply no reason why there are so few dungeons as there are now given how many access points exist for them. As well as how brief the content it does have. I guess they didn't have the time or something. This was the first time I noticed the artwork when entering a Dwarven dungeon was the same and when a Draedric one it was the same. We enter a good many underground areas but what is it, three or four proper delves with two public dungeons? I was underground much more than that. It looked a bit like the old launch delves before they expanded them. It all felt like so much could have been done but for whatever reason wasn't. There's a quest to retrieve some stones and every one of those could have been a delve. It is a first 'chapter' so I really don't see why they did so little here given the hype.

Taleof2Cities · May 2017

EXPANSION

It's extremely close.

In terms of overall land area to explore it's an expansion.

In terms of the number of landmarks, dungeons, and fleshed out towns (no explorable Sheogorad region) ... it's a DLC.

In terms of new added features such as new playable class and battlegrounds it's an expansion.

JD2013 · May 2017

DLC

It is definitely a DLC.

Stormblood for FF XIV is an expansion.
Legion for WoW is an Expansion.

Morrowind is 30 hours of content, with less quests than Orsinium.

TheShadowScout · May 2017

It is more then any DLC so far.
Is it enough to truly be an "expansion"? I dunno, personally I think its somewhere in between, but... the powers that be decreed it thus, so that's how it shall be known I suppose.

EleonoraCrendraven · May 2017

DLC

dpencil1 wrote: »

I did buy it. I spend more money on a nice dinner. And considering I am not an ESO+ member, the amount I actually spend per year on discount crown packs for dlcs and these new chapters is laughably cheap compared to the vast hours of enjoyment I get out of ESO.

That is right. It doesn't matter if it is called a DLC or an expansion. As a non-subscriber like me you have to pay for extra content if you want to play it. And that is fine with me.

theher0not · May 2017

DLC

Morrowind has too litle content to be called an expantion IMHO.

Myyth · May 2017

DLC

I gave ZoS a chance and paid money for their "expac" and now that I have seen it, I regret paying for it.

The morrowwind zone is smaller and has less quests than Orsinium. Other MMO with true expacs have multiple new zones, not just one.
Battlegrounds are just a couple small PVP maps. While for PVP the Imperial city DLC had 6 explorable PVP zones on the surface, and a massive multi-level underground network of caves, tunnels and sewers. Plus 1 PVP dungeon and 2 group dungeons. Morrowwind - zero group dungeons.

The warden class so far has not been impressive. The abilities just seem like reskinned and recycled abilities that don't offer a new playstyle. The animal companion animations are not animals they just some blue green energy effects with no sounds. Compared to other class ability sounds and effects my warden feels dull. It doesn't look like they put much effort into the new animations.

If they release another "expac" I wont be rushing to buy it next time and will wait till it goes on sale. Lesson learned.

grizzledcroc · May 2017

DLC

I love it but cmon

WarMasterCyp · May 2017

DLC

On steam this is considered a DLC so I will go with that.

Smmokkee · May 2017

DLC

StormWylf wrote: »

dpencil1 wrote: »

The distinction has nothing to do with size...

I did buy it. I spend more money on a nice dinner. And considering I am not an ESO+ member, the amount I actually spend per year on discount crown packs for dlcs and these new chapters is laughably cheap compared to the vast hours of enjoyment I get out of ESO.

So glad you said this. The price is in the end laughably cheap. A few cups of overpriced coffee, or a couple of hours at the bar, hell the average length of a movie (roughly) is 120 minutes and in California you will spend more than forty dollars for two tickets, popcorn and a drink. Hell I would argue that even the naysayers and trolls on these forums get more than 40 dollars worth of enjoyment just posting their negative comments.

No it's not. By industry standards they've cleary given you less for your money and just because there is outrageous prices that come with "going out" doesn't mean the price of this dlc is justified.

nickl413 · May 2017

EXPANSION

Since they used words like "expansion" and "new chapter", and they even created a new tutorial for new players,my assumption was that they would eventually stop selling the normal base game, and all future copies of the game would be ESO: Morrowind. Seems logical to me but I don't know if that is their plan. If so, they should come out and say that so there would be less debate and people screaming foul over this in the forums.

In any event, Morrowind does add a wrothgar sized pack of land, quests, delves, motifs, gear sets and dailies, with the addition of a new classs and a new pvp game mode. I'm still giving them the benifit of the doubt here and calling it an expansion.

Troneon · May 2017

DLC

jorgeh401b14_ESO wrote: »

Do you feel like morrowind is an Expansion or just DLC with a new class and BG?

I ask because I'm reading that a lot of morrowind is just scenery and the quest count is lower then Orsinium. what do you early access people think?

AKA Fake Expansion.

STEVIL · May 2017

EXPANSION

jorgeh401b14_ESO wrote: »

would you say they added the class and BG to make it feel like your getting more then you are?[/quote]

i would say they added the Warden (and to a lesser extent BGs*) to make it **true** that you are getting more than a typical DLC.

Adding a new class is not a feeling of gain, not an illusion, not a sleight of hand quicker than they brain, it is an actual gain.

Might as well say "Do you think they added a fries and a drink for their so-called "combo" to make you think you were getting more than just a sandwich?"

*i sat "to a lesser extent" because while i find BGs interesting, i do not see them as more significant of an addition than say dueling was. to me the major "more than DLC" key was the class.

Keep_Door · May 2017

EXPANSION

I dont really think it matters what anyone thinks. If the devs say its an expansion then its an expansion and if you want to play it pay $40.

nickl413 · May 2017

EXPANSION

STEVIL wrote: »

jorgeh401b14_ESO wrote: »

would you say they added the class and BG to make it feel like your getting more then you are?

i would say they added the Warden (and to a lesser extent BGs*) to make it **true** that you are getting more than a typical DLC.

Adding a new class is not a feeling of gain, not an illusion, not a sleight of hand quicker than they brain, it is an actual gain.

Might as well say "Do you think they added a fries and a drink for their so-called "combo" to make you think you were getting more than just a sandwich?"

*i sat "to a lesser extent" because while i find BGs interesting, i do not see them as more significant of an addition than say dueling was. to me the major "more than DLC" key was the class.

[/quote]

That's a good point. I'm not sure what people expect out of an update in order to justify it as an "expansion"

G0ku · May 2017

DLC

it´s all the DLC´s together they didn´t release as they first promised, but they charge xtra for it. I don´t care too much about the xtra rip-off, but the changes to the base game mechanics suck hard imo...

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