No way to free the slaves? (WARNING, SPOILERS)

Tornaad · May 2017

TonyRockaroni wrote: »

As someone who's played an Argonian in Morrrowind, Oblivion, Skyrim, and now ESO, it's obvious that they're my favorite race. And it really makes me uncomfortable knowing that the Telvanni still keep them as slaves due to them not joining the Ebonheart Pact. I think the part that upsets me is going to Sadrith Mora and seeing them in cages with absolutely no way of helping them.

I just wish there was some sort of quest or something that frees them. Cause now that I've finished Sun-In-Shadow's questline, I have no desire to have anything to do with Sadrith Mora ever again because of that (same can be said for Tel Aruhn and Vos, actually). I was actually hoping that helping Sun-In-Shadow would and up freeing all of the slaves in Sadrith Mora, at the very least. But sadly, that did not happen. It just makes me too angry seeing Argonians in cages with no way to help them. >.<

I know not everyone feels that strongly. I just hope I'm not the only one that does. And I know it's a longshot, but I'm hoping that a quest gets made or something where the slaves eventually get to go free. Even if it's just the Argonians that go free.

There is one big problem with them putting something to get the slaves freed ... the original Morrowind ... which comes after this game timeline wise ... has slaves.

TonyRockaroni · May 2017

Zuboko wrote: »

TonyRockaroni wrote: »

As someone who's played an Argonian in Morrrowind, Oblivion, Skyrim, and now ESO, it's obvious that they're my favorite race. And it really makes me uncomfortable knowing that the Telvanni still keep them as slaves due to them not joining the Ebonheart Pact. I think the part that upsets me is going to Sadrith Mora and seeing them in cages with absolutely no way of helping them.

I just wish there was some sort of quest or something that frees them. Cause now that I've finished Sun-In-Shadow's questline, I have no desire to have anything to do with Sadrith Mora ever again because of that (same can be said for Tel Aruhn and Vos, actually). I was actually hoping that helping Sun-In-Shadow would and up freeing all of the slaves in Sadrith Mora, at the very least. But sadly, that did not happen. It just makes me too angry seeing Argonians in cages with no way to help them. >.<

I know not everyone feels that strongly. I just hope I'm not the only one that does. And I know it's a longshot, but I'm hoping that a quest gets made or something where the slaves eventually get to go free. Even if it's just the Argonians that go free.

There is one big problem with them putting something to get the slaves freed ... the original Morrowind ... which comes after this game timeline wise ... has slaves.

Yes. Except Morrowind takes place in the last century of the Third Era, and slavery ends up abolished soon after the events of Morrowind. In ESO, we're in the Second Era. Morrowind doesn't take place immediately after ESO, it takes place nearly a thousand years later. By the time Morrowind takes place, the Ebonheart Pact no longer exists, and all of the Dunmer houses are practicing slavery again. But we're not at that point, we're in the second era. I think it's plausible to have some sort of way to free the slaves in Vvardenfell because, when compared to outright freeing all of House Telvanni's slaves or abolishing slavery, it's a much more possible goal.

emilyhyoyeon · May 2017

Kendaric wrote: »

Stovahkiin wrote: »

It's really sad that I can't tell if those of you supporting slavery here are being sarcastic or not. Nowadays, it wouldn't really surprise me...

It's a fantasy game with fantasy cultures, there's nothing wrong with wanting to explore the darker side of these cultures. After all, we're allowed to slaughter innocent civilians and take their belongings. The desire to play a pro-slavery character isn't so different and in case of Dunmer, slavery is an important aspect of their culture and traditions.

This has nothing to do with real world slavery, which still exists and of course is despicable.

yea but when all someone does is post "argonians deserve to be slaves" on a thread that's discussing a lack of ingame options (I guess?) it's not funny/quirky/creative

WalksonGraves · May 2017

While I'm freeing the slaves and altering history I want to fight the meteor and redirect it at grahtwood.

Queo · May 2017

Remember brother, the Hist allowed this because the Hist knew we will survive. We need these events to make us stronger in for the future. Why? I don't know but have faith in the Hist, this is all for a reason...

Shadowasrial · May 2017

At least they aren't throwing you in a cage upon arrival stating that this character is now a slave and unplayable lol

TheNuminous1 · May 2017

As the rock bed is hard and yields no life the water must run far and wide to cause rivets in the earth. The river forms and the land becomes hospitable. Life grows. Crag and dust shape to mud and sand. The whole thrives.

These elves so full of hate are that inhospitable terrain. We of the hist are the water that flows. We raise their children rear their livestock. When kindness and compassion washes over the land generation after generation we change the very ecosystem of dunmer culture.

With a bow of the head and a glint in the eye saxhleel will soften these dryskins.

ShadowHvo · May 2017

emilyhyoyeon wrote: »

Kendaric wrote: »

Stovahkiin wrote: »

It's really sad that I can't tell if those of you supporting slavery here are being sarcastic or not. Nowadays, it wouldn't really surprise me...

It's a fantasy game with fantasy cultures, there's nothing wrong with wanting to explore the darker side of these cultures. After all, we're allowed to slaughter innocent civilians and take their belongings. The desire to play a pro-slavery character isn't so different and in case of Dunmer, slavery is an important aspect of their culture and traditions.

This has nothing to do with real world slavery, which still exists and of course is despicable.

yea but when all someone does is post "argonians deserve to be slaves" on a thread that's discussing a lack of ingame options (I guess?) it's not funny/quirky/creative

To be fair, if we're to talk about lack of ingame option, an option should be provided to support the slavery in Morrowind.

The Telvanni storyline makes no sense for anyone that is pro-Dunmer Culture.

Options is always the best way, but providing the option to either Free Slaves, or Free all slaves, I feel we're really stretching it by not allowing any of the other side to even have a choice.

Tornaad · May 2017

TonyRockaroni wrote: »

Zuboko wrote: »

TonyRockaroni wrote: »

As someone who's played an Argonian in Morrrowind, Oblivion, Skyrim, and now ESO, it's obvious that they're my favorite race. And it really makes me uncomfortable knowing that the Telvanni still keep them as slaves due to them not joining the Ebonheart Pact. I think the part that upsets me is going to Sadrith Mora and seeing them in cages with absolutely no way of helping them.

I just wish there was some sort of quest or something that frees them. Cause now that I've finished Sun-In-Shadow's questline, I have no desire to have anything to do with Sadrith Mora ever again because of that (same can be said for Tel Aruhn and Vos, actually). I was actually hoping that helping Sun-In-Shadow would and up freeing all of the slaves in Sadrith Mora, at the very least. But sadly, that did not happen. It just makes me too angry seeing Argonians in cages with no way to help them. >.<

I know not everyone feels that strongly. I just hope I'm not the only one that does. And I know it's a longshot, but I'm hoping that a quest gets made or something where the slaves eventually get to go free. Even if it's just the Argonians that go free.

There is one big problem with them putting something to get the slaves freed ... the original Morrowind ... which comes after this game timeline wise ... has slaves.

Yes. Except Morrowind takes place in the last century of the Third Era, and slavery ends up abolished soon after the events of Morrowind. In ESO, we're in the Second Era. Morrowind doesn't take place immediately after ESO, it takes place nearly a thousand years later. By the time Morrowind takes place, the Ebonheart Pact no longer exists, and all of the Dunmer houses are practicing slavery again. But we're not at that point, we're in the second era. I think it's plausible to have some sort of way to free the slaves in Vvardenfell because, when compared to outright freeing all of House Telvanni's slaves or abolishing slavery, it's a much more possible goal.

@TonyRockaroni fair points. I had only looked at the idea that Morrowind had slavery and ESO has slavery and then assumed that it must have existed the whole time inbetween.

theher0not · May 2017

TheShadowScout wrote: »

TonyRockaroni wrote: »

It also brings me solace to know that we've gotten the last laugh as of the fourth era!

(...great... Now I have a mental image of a redhaired dunmer in a lusty maid costume polishing an argonians spear.

Oh god... that is almost as terrifying as an orc in a dress.

Kesstryl · May 2017

I think having more options for abolitionist characters would be awesome. However for the game itself to not portray slavery in Morrowind would have been very unrealistic. There are quests to free slaves, and as an Argonian doing all the quests, this was my main purpose for staying after doing the main quest, to find and help free slaves as the Champion of Vivec. I agree it's sad to see slavery being portrayed, and I'd love to sneak up to the cages and sneak them food or drink, but lore wise abolishing it altogether would be unrealistic and breaking lore.

Tasear · May 2017

Kendaric wrote: »

They're just Argonians and deserve to be enslaved.

What I find annoying as heck is that you can't play a character that supports slavery. Political correctness is very prominent in ESO, alas.

Being a good human is a thing in eso.

Graydon · May 2017

TonyRockaroni wrote: »

As someone who's played an Argonian in Morrrowind, Oblivion, Skyrim, and now ESO, it's obvious that they're my favorite race. And it really makes me uncomfortable knowing that the Telvanni still keep them as slaves due to them not joining the Ebonheart Pact. I think the part that upsets me is going to Sadrith Mora and seeing them in cages with absolutely no way of helping them.

I just wish there was some sort of quest or something that frees them. Cause now that I've finished Sun-In-Shadow's questline, I have no desire to have anything to do with Sadrith Mora ever again because of that (same can be said for Tel Aruhn and Vos, actually). I was actually hoping that helping Sun-In-Shadow would and up freeing all of the slaves in Sadrith Mora, at the very least. But sadly, that did not happen. It just makes me too angry seeing Argonians in cages with no way to help them. >.<

I know not everyone feels that strongly. I just hope I'm not the only one that does. And I know it's a longshot, but I'm hoping that a quest gets made or something where the slaves eventually get to go free. Even if it's just the Argonians that go free.

You are not a real life Argonian.

Also, ESO is make believe.

TonyRockaroni · May 2017

Graydon wrote: »

TonyRockaroni wrote: »

As someone who's played an Argonian in Morrrowind, Oblivion, Skyrim, and now ESO, it's obvious that they're my favorite race. And it really makes me uncomfortable knowing that the Telvanni still keep them as slaves due to them not joining the Ebonheart Pact. I think the part that upsets me is going to Sadrith Mora and seeing them in cages with absolutely no way of helping them.

I just wish there was some sort of quest or something that frees them. Cause now that I've finished Sun-In-Shadow's questline, I have no desire to have anything to do with Sadrith Mora ever again because of that (same can be said for Tel Aruhn and Vos, actually). I was actually hoping that helping Sun-In-Shadow would and up freeing all of the slaves in Sadrith Mora, at the very least. But sadly, that did not happen. It just makes me too angry seeing Argonians in cages with no way to help them. >.<

I know not everyone feels that strongly. I just hope I'm not the only one that does. And I know it's a longshot, but I'm hoping that a quest gets made or something where the slaves eventually get to go free. Even if it's just the Argonians that go free.

You are not a real life Argonian.

Also, ESO is make believe.

-___-

No, REALLY?

It's called speaking from character and wanting more options gameplay-wise.

TonyRockaroni · May 2017

Kesstryl wrote: »

I think having more options for abolitionist characters would be awesome. However for the game itself to not portray slavery in Morrowind would have been very unrealistic. There are quests to free slaves, and as an Argonian doing all the quests, this was my main purpose for staying after doing the main quest, to find and help free slaves as the Champion of Vivec. I agree it's sad to see slavery being portrayed, and I'd love to sneak up to the cages and sneak them food or drink, but lore wise abolishing it altogether would be unrealistic and breaking lore.

Abolishing slavery and freeing slaves of a single race from a single location is two different things.

ShadowHvo · May 2017

@TonyRockaroni

Out of sheer curosity, would you also support an option for players to support and potentially partake in slavery?

I'm simply asking to figure out whenever this thread is mostly a bias or not.

Personally I wouldn't mind if there were -more- options to free slaves upon Vvardenfell, however, should that even be considered, the other side of the coin should also be made available to those that play characters that are in favor of the established Dunmer Culture.

TonyRockaroni · May 2017

ShadowHvo wrote: »

@TonyRockaroni

Out of sheer curosity, would you also support an option for players to support and potentially partake in slavery?

I'm simply asking to figure out whenever this thread is mostly a bias or not.

Personally I wouldn't mind if there were -more- options to free slaves upon Vvardenfell, however, should that even be considered, the other side of the coin should also be made available to those that play characters that are in favor of the established Dunmer Culture.

I actually said it would only be fair if that were the case on the first page of this thread. After all, the Elder Scrolls series has had many crossroads in terms of moral choices. Skyrim's Civil War is a perfect example of that. If a questline like this were to be implemented, it would be more fair if one side lead to the freedom Vvardenfell's slaves, and the other lead to keeping more slaves under lock and key...although that wouldn't be the choice I would go with if that became a questline, obviously! XD

TheNuminous1 · May 2017

Cannibalism, slavery, demon worship, sex with hagravens.

Its an elder scrolls game. Sometimes the subjects within are dark.

Banana · May 2017

Slaves get stuff done.

TheShadowScout · May 2017

theher0not wrote: »

TheShadowScout wrote: »

TonyRockaroni wrote: »

It also brings me solace to know that we've gotten the last laugh as of the fourth era!

(...great... Now I have a mental image of a redhaired dunmer in a lusty maid costume polishing an argonians spear.

Oh god... that is almost as terrifying as an orc in a dress.

Fanfiction slash was written on less!

Graydon wrote: »

TonyRockaroni wrote: »

As someone who's played an Argonian in Morrrowind, Oblivion, Skyrim, and now ESO, it's obvious that they're my favorite race. And it really makes me uncomfortable knowing that the Telvanni still keep them as slaves due to them not joining the Ebonheart Pact. I think the part that upsets me is going to Sadrith Mora and seeing them in cages with absolutely no way of helping them.

I just wish there was some sort of quest or something that frees them. Cause now that I've finished Sun-In-Shadow's questline, I have no desire to have anything to do with Sadrith Mora ever again because of that (same can be said for Tel Aruhn and Vos, actually). I was actually hoping that helping Sun-In-Shadow would and up freeing all of the slaves in Sadrith Mora, at the very least. But sadly, that did not happen. It just makes me too angry seeing Argonians in cages with no way to help them. >.<

I know not everyone feels that strongly. I just hope I'm not the only one that does. And I know it's a longshot, but I'm hoping that a quest gets made or something where the slaves eventually get to go free. Even if it's just the Argonians that go free.

You are not a real life Argonian.

Whaaaaaa...???
He is not? And here I thought...

jorgeh401b14_ESO · May 2017

Eso is more a them-park then a real Tes game, so don't expect a lot of interaction with the world, with that said its a shame they call Morrowind an expansion instead of a DLC with by all reports it is.

Loves_guars · May 2017

Yep, just visited Sadrith Mora, me and my sister were so dazzled by the town then reality hit us... the poor slaves in their cages. We know about Telvanni slavery but I felt a bit mad about not being able to free them, in TES games you have the freedom to do so. Didn't I defeat Molag Bal and what not, at least give us the option with a bounty.

Tommy_The_Gun · May 2017

Free slaves ?
The question should be: "Why Can't I just kill the slavers ?"

Vrienda · May 2017

They could have added freeing slaves to the crime system. Maybe even allow us to keep some as homestead 'decorations'.

But sadly they haven't introduced any kind of slavery/twin lamps system with Morrowind.

Wouldn't have needed much effort, just add slaves to a vendor in Sadrith Mora and for those wishing to liberate slaves, allow the cages to be lockpicked in exchange for a random gift in the mail once the slave is freed at the risk of being caught by the guard.

I suppose they didn't do much with slaves for fear of out-of-game controversy. Shame.

Galwylin · May 2017

Well, I appreciate how much you've been pulled into the game. I just think all cages should be able to lockpick. Just go around freeing anything in a cage. Quest of no quest. Just like most houses in towns. Its illegal but if no one sees you then no bother.

TonyRockaroni · May 2017

Galwylin wrote: »

Well, I appreciate how much you've been pulled into the game. I just think all cages should be able to lockpick. Just go around freeing anything in a cage. Quest of no quest. Just like most houses in towns. Its illegal but if no one sees you then no bother.

Something like that would even make sense. Heck, you can already free the slaves captured by Rendrasa in Shadowfen (the world boss at the Slaver's Camp) even though it isn't part of a quest. Although I think having it be part of a quest would make more sense since Rendrasa's slaves respawn after awhile. Having to free new slaves very time I went to Sadrith Mora would trigger my OCD. >.<

TheShadowScout · May 2017

jorgeh401b14_ESO wrote: »

Eso is more a them-park then a real Tes game, so don't expect a lot of interaction with the world, with that said its a shame they call Morrowind an expansion instead of a DLC with by all reports it is.

If not for the added warden class, it would be a DLC just like orsinium.
But they wanted to do it as "expansion" to increase profits I presume.
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I didn't mind, really. Of course, I also have bought every DLC despite being subbed, simply because I believe in putting my money where my mouth is and supporting a game I enjoy.

...

I do however hope that they will add more nifty stuff, and by that I don't mean crown store stuff, I mean game stuff - like more ways to diversify your character, play along different paths, make meaningful choices...

...and i still feel somewhat vexed that we don't get a choiuce about the thieves guild, but get an membership we cannot refuse as soon as we visit Abah's Landing... and wish they had made those "guild" DLCs as two path versions, where you can -choose- to either support the criminal thieves/assassins, or the lawful iron wheel/order of the hour (and of course, keep hoping that since they didn't do it like that back then, they -might- perhaps refit the thing later on and give us "lawful" guilds to join that are mutually exclusive to the "criminal" ones - I'd even spend crowns on a "clear criminal record" scroll to leave the mandatory TG on my lawful characters!)

And of course, I would have loved to see such multiple path setups with the slaver issue as well - an oiption to declare cour character in support or opposed to the whole issue, and then get different quest versions because of it, instead of this "all for all" approach...

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

Free slaves ?
The question should be: "Why Can't I just kill the slavers ?"

Well, in some cases, we can! But again, I'd have loved it if it was more explicit... I mean, come on, we have argonian shadowscales in the dark brotherhood... why can't our characters like that do some "freeebie" contracts on slavers?

Which brings us back to the choices... I'd have loved it if there was guild interaction, like... have an character join both DB and some "abolitionist" guild in some future DLC (might make a good one for a shadowfen expansion, with a "stop the slaver operation" theme), and with that combination get extra "kill slavers" contracts in either guild daily selection...

MythicEmperor · May 2017

What??? The quests pander enough to the abolitionists. What makes me angry is that you are forced to free slaves for the so-called "Telvanni questline". There is no option to go against that scaleback N'wah's demands. Instead, you are forced to go against Dunmer tradition. You are forced to defy an ancestral right. For what? To protect political correctness?

In a game where an entire DLC is devoted to slaughtering innocent civilians through various brutal and bloody means, you can't at the very least have a dialogue option that supports a pro-slavery mindset? Instead, you are forced to play the hero. You are forced to love N'wahs. You are forced to do the right thing. You know what? Some people just want to play the villain, and in a world where slavery is normal, there is absolutely no reason my character shouldn't be able to say "Slavery is my right" rather than "Slavery disgust me."

TonyRockaroni · May 2017

MythicEmperor wrote: »

What??? The quests pander enough to the abolitionists. What makes me angry is that you are forced to free slaves for the so-called "Telvanni questline". There is no option to go against that scaleback N'wah's demands. Instead, you are forced to go against Dunmer tradition. You are forced to defy an ancestral right. For what? To protect political correctness?

In a game where an entire DLC is devoted to slaughtering innocent civilians through various brutal and bloody means, you can't at the very least have a dialogue option that supports a pro-slavery mindset? Instead, you are forced to play the hero. You are forced to love N'wahs. You are forced to do the right thing. You know what? Some people just want to play the villain, and in a world where slavery is normal, there is absolutely no reason my character shouldn't be able to say "Slavery is my right" rather than "Slavery disgust me."

Well, at the end, there's an option to convince Sun-in-Shadow to keep Eoki as a slave, and you can go against her demand when she asks you to kill Relasa, even though the result ends up the same regardless. Though it isn't as pro-slavery as those who are pro-slavery and pro-Telvanni might enjoy, I will admit. Though I don't think the Sadrith Mora questline really panders to the abolitionists. Mainly because they're moreso rebellious slaves than an actual abolitionist movement like the Twin Lamps was in Morrowind.

Wreuntzylla · May 2017

theher0not wrote: »

Really? that is dissapointing.

Freeing the khajiit and argonians and killing their owner was one of the things I was looking forwrd too the most.

While that might not be possible in Morrowind, there is a quest in Mournhold that comes fairly close.