Little Annoyed About Hero Costumes being in the Dwarven Crown Crates.

Mashille · May 2017

This is gonna be a bit of a rant.

I'm not very happy with the fact ZOS has put the Hero Costumes into the Dwarven Crown crates, when each one was released into the Crown Store it was only available for a couple of days and was advertised as a mega exclusive.

As I loved all the Cinematic Trailers for the game and thought it would be nice to own the full exclusive Hero Costume set I bought all of them. Despite their rather hefty price tag of 2000 Crowns each, 6000 in total. Even if I didn't use all the Costumes a whole lot (Apart from the Elven one, that's really good) I was happy that I'd bought them just for the fact that I owned them and not a large number of people had so I assumed it would not be very common for people to have the full set, the Nord, the Elf and... *Vomit*... the Breton (I'm still not over that piece of garbage pile of trash turd looking poo poo covered mess of utter dog sh-...*Wipes Brow)

Anyway, now I'v heard that many people have opened them in their free Morrowind Crown Crate, this annoys me quite a lot (Despite it not really being an issue) Those Costumes were on offer for I think only 1 Week each, they were sold as expensive and shown to be rare as not many people would own them. Now any number of people can own them simply through the Crown Crate system and if they get lucky then can get them for a far cheaper price than anyone originally bought them for.

I would have been ok with the Costumes Returning to the Crown Store for people who missed them the first time for another limited Week Sale so the people who wanted to own the Rare Costumes could but putting them in Crown Crates so anyone who buys those infernal things can get them, these things that, when released, were meant to be rare one of Costume Sales for people who wanted to buy the set to look nice in their collection, reselling them like this is just a slap in the face to those who bought them. Basically telling us that anything being sold that is shown to be rare or exclusive is just a bunch of *Rude Word

Many people may not see what I'm annoyed about at all here and may just think I'm overreacting but surely I can't be the only one who thinks this is a bit scummy?

Turelus · May 2017

It's a tricky one.

Sadly ZOS doesn't seem interested in bringing limited time items back on a revolving schedule so the crates are the only place they're going to be showing up.

As someone who (stupidly) spent the full value on two out of the three it's kind of meh and I feel a little robbed. That said ZOS marketing departments have pretty much shown how little they value customers so... guess we just keep eating their poop.

rotaugen454 · May 2017

Mashille wrote: »

This is gonna be a bit of a rant.

I'm not very happy with the fact ZOS has put the Hero Costumes into the Dwarven Crown crates, when each one was released into the Crown Store it was only available for a couple of days and was advertised as a mega exclusive.

As I loved all the Cinematic Trailers for the game and thought it would be nice to own the full exclusive Hero Costume set I bought all of them. Despite their rather hefty price tag of 2000 Crowns. Even if I didn't use all the Costumes a whole lot (Apart from the Elven one, that's really good) I was happy that I'd bought them just for the fact that I owned them and not a large number of people had so I assumed it would not be very common for people to have the full set, the Nord, the Elf and... *Vomit*... the Breton (I'm still not over that piece of garbage pile of trash turd looking poo poo covered mess of utter dog sh-...*Wipes Brow)

Anyway, now I'v heard that many people have opened them in their free Morrowind Crown Crate, this annoys me quite a lot (Despite it not really being an issue) Those Costumes were on offer for I think only 1 Week each, they were sold as expensive and shown to be rare as not many people would own them. Now any number of people can own them simply through the Crown Crate system and if they get lucky then can get them for a far cheaper price than anyone originally bought them for.

I would have been ok with the Costumes Returning to the Crown Store for people who missed them the first time for another limited Week Sale so the people who wanted to own the Rare Costumes could but putting them in Crown Crates so anyone who buys those infernal things can get them, these things that, when released, were meant to be rare one of Costume Sales for people who wanted to buy the set to look nice in their collection, reselling them like this is just a slap in the face to those who bought them. Basically telling us that anything being sold that is shown to be rare or exclusive is just a bunch of *Rude Word

Many people may not see what I'm annoyed about at all here and may just think I'm overreacting but surely I can't be the only one who thinks this is a bit scummy?

I can only say it is a bit of an overreaction to ME, as I don't care what other people wear, ride, etc. I'd be a bit bummed if the exclusive Tiger mount and beta monkey appeared, but even then it wouldn't cause me to have fits. If it keeps the lights on at ESO, then other people can go ahead and spend like I have.

SantieClaws · May 2017

Khajiit she is more annoyed at the many crate hats and costumes that have never been in the crown store at all.

The apex mounts then fair enough this one expects them to be crate exclusive - but at least give us a chance to purchase honestly and cratelessly the other cosmetic items yes.

Yours with paws
Santie Claws

WalksonGraves · May 2017

lol oh noes other people probably wasted more than 2k crowns. Who cares what other people look like? You aren't unique, hundreds of people already had the poly that you just never ran into.

Mashille · May 2017

WalksonGraves wrote: »

lol oh noes other people probably wasted more than 2k crowns. Who cares what other people look like? You aren't unique, hundreds of people already had the poly that you just never ran into.

That's not my point here, I don't care if I see someone wearing one or what any other player looks like at all, I care about the fact they were originally shown as exclusive to be people who bought them.

Rouven · May 2017

I wasn't here at the point where those costumes were sold. I always find it stupid in a dynamic environment like this to sell time limited "exclusive" items. Give each and every account an individual offer at some time of the accounts lifespan and you have some equal grounds.

Or simply don't say it's exclusive. Or sell only a similar one after but not 100% the same.

Of course I'm happy I will be able to obtain this in some fashion and I think we all (?) expected this to happen with the crates.

So I can understand if that leaves a sour taste in the mouths of some.

idk · May 2017

Look On the bright side. Anyone buying the crates to get the costume will likely pay much more that you did.

reguvin · May 2017

I was afraid this would happen.

Sadly

Turelus · May 2017

SantieClaws wrote: »

Khajiit she is more annoyed at the many crate hats and costumes that have never been in the crown store at all.

The apex mounts then fair enough this one expects them to be crate exclusive - but at least give us a chance to purchase honestly and cratelessly the other cosmetic items yes.

Yours with paws
Santie Claws

Especially the housing items.

I wish their marketing people would understand that offering things in more ways actually gets more sales and makes happier customers.

DocFrost72 · May 2017

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Look On the bright side. Anyone buying the crates to get the costume will likely pay much more that you did.

^

And if I may add, may get the costume.

If we assume it is 2 gems per crate return, then you need at least twelve crates. That is three 1500 crate packs. They paid twice what you did. The ones that got lucky are, trust me, few and far between.

Rouven wrote: »

I wasn't here at the point where those costumes were sold. I always find it stupid in a dynamic environment like this to sell time limited "exclusive" items. Give each and every account an individual offer at some time of the accounts lifespan and you have some equal grounds.

Or simply don't say it's exclusive. Or sell only a similar one after but not 100% the same.

Of course I'm happy I will be able to obtain this in some fashion and I think we all (?) expected this to happen with the crates.

So I can understand if that leaves a sour taste in the mouths of some.

At the time of their announcing crates, they explicitly said they would be adding removed items from the crown store to crates. I personally don't have a problem with it at all.

Food for thought, OP, I didn't buy the elven costume (example) because it was rare; I bought it cause it looked awesome.

Magdalina · May 2017

I think it's kind of silly to buy a costume for the sole reason of "not many others will have it". It's one thing to buy something because you honestly found it to be awesome but "I didn't use them much but exclusive"...no offense, but why should you being here during the specific times they were sold and having some spare cash at the time make you any more special than the other people who maybe weren't even playing the game at the time but do now?

"Exclusive" and "limited time offer" are just cheap tricks to make you spend your money. Don't fall for them. Buy things you actually like if you feel they're worth it, and then you won't have to regret it if they stop being " exclusive" at some point.

On side note, I couldn't care less about "hero" costumes or crown crates, together or separately. I REALLY wish crown store would be removed from the game altogether and we could earn all those awesome things for in game activities but I realize that's not happening.

Khenarthi · May 2017

I can see your point of view (mine is a bit different though).

As someone who has been playing since the start, I always look at what the time limited items are each month, and buy those I love. When the panther senche was added to the crates (wild hunt) I actually changed mount on some of my characters because I did not want people to think I "won" it gambling... and then I decided I do not care enough about other people's opinions and changed it back.

But if feels bad that the time limited items are added to crates, yes. They could circle back outside of gambling schemes, and I'd be ok with it. I'd love to outright buy some of the non-apex exclusives, but refuse endorse crates, or to risk getting junk to clog my collections (example: I can only exchange for crown gems if I already have the item... with 14 Khajiit characters, I have no use for Argonian cosmetics).

lagrue · May 2017

Honestly - I own two of them and I can't even be upset because these costumes are so crap (when compared to the cinematic trailer counterparts) that it's unbelievable - yes, I never expected them to be as graphically appealing and perfectly detailed as a full out CGI of them - but I did expect them not to missing pieces of them and stuff - which they are... the Nord in particular is horrid... it looks like it's made of Play-Dough.

They're like some of the most basically detailed costumes in the game - heck ZOS could give them away free and I wouldn't want them. The dresses they spam us with every month look better... and that's just sad.

Just my opinion - I'm more mad how garbage they are - not that they're coming back.

Galwylin · May 2017

I will only be annoyed if they are in the crates and that's the only way to obtain them. I wouldn't care if they were 6000 crowns (well, of course, but for this argument...). I'm done with those things. I will not gamble for my items. I simply won't. Really due to the fact that its just as likely I would pay three times some outrageous price and still never get one (except with the pathetic gem conversion). I really wish they'd put every item in the crates available to get with regular crowns. Every one of them then total up the money made at the end of the season and see what people would rather have. Its just stupid they are saying no to my money in the hopes they will get more of yours. Its an idiotic method of business.

Okay, my rants for the day are done...

Phinix1 · May 2017

Moral of the story: People need to get over their obsession with exclusivity.

Learn to enjoy having something because you enjoy having it, not because you can COMPARE yourself with others who don't have it and go "na na na na naaaa na."

Mashille · May 2017

@Phinix1

That's not really fair on me. I don't buy something exclusive because I like to show it off to people or compare myself to people at all , I like to collect and I thought as they were limited time exclusives it would be awesome to own the full set which I doubted too many people did.

Phinix1 · May 2017

@Mashille

But ask yourself, why was it important to you that not too many other people would have it?

I'm not trying to single you out friend, it is something which has plagued online games forever. Constantly making a competition out of everything. It is a poor excuse for actual sportsmanlike competitive content and it is toxic to the community, which is why I am so ashamed to see the Elder Scrolls resort to these sort of cheap F2P tactics.

This is a lesson as I see it. Learning not to buy in to the constant "limited time only" sales gimmick will put more pressure on the company in question to produce quality not just impulse buying fluff.

The quality of the product will improve and the quality of community interaction will improve when everyone isn't so upset about losing the "contest" of exclusivity, or having some artificially scarce prize that others don't.

The only people winning with such a system are the marketing suits.

crappyjazz1964 · May 2017

"Exclusive" is a targeted marketing term that works every time. Trust me. I'm in marketing.

Phinix1 · May 2017

crappyjazz1964 wrote: »

"Exclusive" is a targeted marketing term that works every time. Trust me. I'm in marketing.

It works so long as human nature remains unchanged from thousands of years. People are obsessed with competition. In the past it used to be about survival, then it was about status, now it is more about salving their jaded sense of meaning.

Whatever the cause, it is a pretty disappointing state of affairs. The fact it works so often.

CaffeinatedMayhem · May 2017

So, about this "exclusive" scuttler pet I have that was ONLY available to pre-orders, and that any race, any alliance perk that was ONLY available to pre-orders...

Does it suck? Yes. ZOS has been doing this forever.

Off topic: auto-correct is convinced that ZOS is really POS. Hm...

Linken · May 2017

Some1 wanna be a special snowflake in an mmo LUL

zaria · May 2017

Turelus wrote: »

SantieClaws wrote: »

Khajiit she is more annoyed at the many crate hats and costumes that have never been in the crown store at all.

The apex mounts then fair enough this one expects them to be crate exclusive - but at least give us a chance to purchase honestly and cratelessly the other cosmetic items yes.

Yours with paws
Santie Claws

Especially the housing items.

I wish their marketing people would understand that offering things in more ways actually gets more sales and makes happier customers.

This one has 13K crowns and noting Khajiit want to spend them on.
Lots of the old stuff would be instant buy.
Ok with an sale for new stuff, then still list them. The sale would have the same effect as limited time.

darkstar2084 · May 2017

Ugh! I saved crowns to buy them if they ever came up again

but being only available in crown crates is taking the ***. I hate crown crates and gambling its a F2p trash concept, that is being included in more and more top titles

Kimberlin · June 2017

remember when Storm crates gave away the Ice Horse and people where upset your a little late to the complaining about whats in the crafes lol

From a owner of Ice horse pre crates lol

Kalante · June 2017

It is just a marketing ploy.

Enodoc · June 2017

SantieClaws wrote: »

Khajiit she is more annoyed at the many crate hats and costumes that have never been in the crown store at all.

The apex mounts then fair enough this one expects them to be crate exclusive - but at least give us a chance to purchase honestly and cratelessly the other cosmetic items yes.

Yours with paws
Santie Claws

Agreed. I'd rather the crates included previous limited-time items, over items which are exclusive only to the crates (other than the theme-appropriate ones).

Rawreak Rovyre · June 2017

News alert: Focusing on yourself in relation to others... makes you a less happy person.

More at 11.

Abeille · June 2017

I see no problem here. For one, we had our chance at a direct purchase, which should have been the case for every single Crown Crate collectible, or at the very least the non-themed ones, but unfortunately ZOS decided to go one of the most consumer-unfriendly ways they could think of. Also, I would be willing to bet that 2000 for each is less than most people will pay to get them from the crates, save from some lucky draws.

Voxicity · June 2017

I bought the breton hero costume when it was limited and it's a piece of junk anyway. Those who get it from the crates better be prepared to be disappointed

Personofsecrets · June 2017

Repeat after me.

The sales and marketing team can do whatever they want.

Players don't get to decide how the Crown Store should work.

ZOS has to make money somehow - they are just doing the rational work that makes them the most cash and it is their right.

Did I miss any more of the overly-obvious statements that people tout around, as if they mean something profound when someone else takes issue with the games monetization, but feign to ignore when they personally don't like some small part of the monetization system?