Sustain in trials

Tasear · May 2017

How do you feel about the changes? I am Having trouble using it in gameplay. What are you doing? Is it better to use heavy attack instead with elemental drain?

I encountered an issue in trials with dark exchange. I can't seem to use in anymore in gameplay with the addition of 0.4 time. With the addition of less migration for the champion tree and less healing... I have people dying less even in trials.

andreasranasen · May 2017

Huuuh? It changed? I thought they just added a 0.2 seconds longer animation making the animation 1.2 seconds instead of 1.

Tasear · May 2017

It's 2 secs afterwards where you can't use skills, that I am struggling with. Is it about timing and positioning.

andreasranasen · May 2017

Tasear wrote: »

It's 2 secs afterwards where you can't use skills, that I am struggling with. Is it about timing and positioning.

"Dark Exchange:
This ability and its morphs now have 0.2 seconds of animation blending time at the end of their cast.
Increased the cast time of this ability and its morphs to 1.2 seconds from 1 second."

Where does it say this? I can't find your change anywhere in the patch notes.

Morgul667 · May 2017

Should be 1.2s

Didnt notice another difference

flizomica · May 2017

Tasear wrote: »

It's 2 secs afterwards where you can't use skills, that I am struggling with. Is it about timing and positioning.

there's a 1 second GCD, not 2

Tasear · May 2017

flizomica wrote: »

Tasear wrote: »

It's 2 secs afterwards where you can't use skills, that I am struggling with. Is it about timing and positioning.

there's a 1 second GCD, not 2

It's 2 from the patch notes.

starkerealm · May 2017

I haven't spent much time on my Stam sorc since the patch hit, but I honestly, have not noticed this.

andreasranasen · May 2017

Tasear wrote: »

flizomica wrote: »

Tasear wrote: »

It's 2 secs afterwards where you can't use skills, that I am struggling with. Is it about timing and positioning.

there's a 1 second GCD, not 2

It's 2 from the patch notes.

Source these patch notes you talking about pls

starkerealm · May 2017

With the caveat that I'm using Dark Deal, not dark exchange... nope, I've only got the 1.2 cast time going. And, there's no global cooldown after Dark Deal resolves. I can immediately go into another ability. Flicking Dark Deal over to Endless Hail is still a little chunky feeling, but that's not new.

Tasear · May 2017

andreasranasen wrote: »

Tasear wrote: »

flizomica wrote: »

Tasear wrote: »

It's 2 secs afterwards where you can't use skills, that I am struggling with. Is it about timing and positioning.

there's a 1 second GCD, not 2

It's 2 from the patch notes.

Source these patch notes you talking about pls

The very first one. It's in the developer notes.

idk · May 2017

Tasear wrote: »

flizomica wrote: »

Tasear wrote: »

It's 2 secs afterwards where you can't use skills, that I am struggling with. Is it about timing and positioning.

there's a 1 second GCD, not 2

It's 2 from the patch notes.

This is from the patch notes.

This ability and its morphs now have 0.2 seconds of animation blending time at the end of their cast.
Increased the cast time of this ability and its morphs to 1.2 seconds from 1 second.

This is the developer comments from the patch notes.

All cast time and channeled abilities have 0.2 seconds after their cast is complete where you cannot cast another ability while the animations complete. This change makes Dark Exchange consistent with them. Adding an additional 0.2 seconds to the cast time of these abilities reduces the amount of resources they can generate when cast quickly in succession, and grants enemies more time to interrupt them.

Maybe you can paste in here the patch notes that are telling you it is 3 seconds.

Rohamad_Ali · May 2017

You can get stuck for longer sometimes and can't bar swap . I don't like it much .

Tasear · May 2017

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Tasear wrote: »

flizomica wrote: »

Tasear wrote: »

It's 2 secs afterwards where you can't use skills, that I am struggling with. Is it about timing and positioning.

there's a 1 second GCD, not 2

It's 2 from the patch notes.

This is from the patch notes.

This ability and its morphs now have 0.2 seconds of animation blending time at the end of their cast.
Increased the cast time of this ability and its morphs to 1.2 seconds from 1 second.

This is the developer comments from the patch notes.

All cast time and channeled abilities have 0.2 seconds after their cast is complete where you cannot cast another ability while the animations complete. This change makes Dark Exchange consistent with them. Adding an additional 0.2 seconds to the cast time of these abilities reduces the amount of resources they can generate when cast quickly in succession, and grants enemies more time to interrupt them.

Maybe you can paste in here the patch notes that are telling you it is 3 seconds.

From 3.0 you got 3.1, besides I was just asking for advice on it not trying be harassed by it.

It was added to make it consistent with out channel ablitilies

ofSunhold · May 2017

I'm really not following your math. At all.

But I've used DE since the patch, and didn't really notice a difference. Of course, I was busy trying not to die and so didn't have my stopwatch out, but all seemed fine.

I think the point of the .2 addition to the animation was simply to make it more visible to our opponents in PvP. Not a lot of counters to DE/DD, and none at all if they miss the hand-wave. So now the hand-wave is a tiny bit longer.

Tasear · May 2017

ofSunhold wrote: »

I'm really not following your math. At all.

But I've used DE since the patch, and didn't really notice a difference. Of course, I was busy trying not to die and so didn't have my stopwatch out, but all seemed fine.

I think the point of the .2 addition to the animation was simply to make it more visible to our opponents in PvP. Not a lot of counters to DE/DD, and none at all if they miss the hand-wave. So now the hand-wave is a tiny bit longer.

Okay before using another skill there a 2 sec cool down so I was getting frustrated at the skill. I am not talking about the 0.2 , but 2.0 secs afterwards.

colig · May 2017

Tasear wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Tasear wrote: »

flizomica wrote: »

Tasear wrote: »

It's 2 secs afterwards where you can't use skills, that I am struggling with. Is it about timing and positioning.

there's a 1 second GCD, not 2

It's 2 from the patch notes.

This is from the patch notes.

This ability and its morphs now have 0.2 seconds of animation blending time at the end of their cast.
Increased the cast time of this ability and its morphs to 1.2 seconds from 1 second.

This is the developer comments from the patch notes.

All cast time and channeled abilities have 0.2 seconds after their cast is complete where you cannot cast another ability while the animations complete. This change makes Dark Exchange consistent with them. Adding an additional 0.2 seconds to the cast time of these abilities reduces the amount of resources they can generate when cast quickly in succession, and grants enemies more time to interrupt them.

Maybe you can paste in here the patch notes that are telling you it is 3 seconds.

From 3.0 you got 3.1, besides I was just asking for advice on it not trying be harassed by it.

It was added to make it consistent with out channel ablitilies

Is it these patch notes you're referring to?

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/335600/pts-patch-notes-v3-0-0/p1

It says the same thing to me. It seems everyone is trying to clarify the time, not mere harassment.

ofSunhold · May 2017

Tasear wrote: »

ofSunhold wrote: »

I'm really not following your math. At all.

But I've used DE since the patch, and didn't really notice a difference. Of course, I was busy trying not to die and so didn't have my stopwatch out, but all seemed fine.

I think the point of the .2 addition to the animation was simply to make it more visible to our opponents in PvP. Not a lot of counters to DE/DD, and none at all if they miss the hand-wave. So now the hand-wave is a tiny bit longer.

Okay before using another skill there a 2 sec cool down so I was getting frustrated at the skill. I am not talking about the 0.2 , but 2.0 secs afterwards.

But there's not. Just the usual .9 global cooldown. I DE right into bolt escape just like always.

Greydir · May 2017

Please quote the Patch notes, i cannot find the paragraph in which this 2 second cd is mentioned

andreasranasen · May 2017

*** is OP talking about? Patch notes for this skill has been posted in this thread TWICE. Nowhere on the forums does it say there was any other change to this skill other than the changes posted here.

Get it together.

Tasear · May 2017

colig wrote: »

Tasear wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Tasear wrote: »

flizomica wrote: »

Tasear wrote: »

It's 2 secs afterwards where you can't use skills, that I am struggling with. Is it about timing and positioning.

there's a 1 second GCD, not 2

It's 2 from the patch notes.

This is from the patch notes.

This ability and its morphs now have 0.2 seconds of animation blending time at the end of their cast.
Increased the cast time of this ability and its morphs to 1.2 seconds from 1 second.

This is the developer comments from the patch notes.

All cast time and channeled abilities have 0.2 seconds after their cast is complete where you cannot cast another ability while the animations complete. This change makes Dark Exchange consistent with them. Adding an additional 0.2 seconds to the cast time of these abilities reduces the amount of resources they can generate when cast quickly in succession, and grants enemies more time to interrupt them.

Maybe you can paste in here the patch notes that are telling you it is 3 seconds.

From 3.0 you got 3.1, besides I was just asking for advice on it not trying be harassed by it.

It was added to make it consistent with out channel ablitilies

Is it these patch notes you're referring to?

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/335600/pts-patch-notes-v3-0-0/p1

It says the same thing to me. It seems everyone is trying to clarify the time, not mere harassment.

Yeah I seem to read it wrong . I suppose I am struggling with 0.4 secs of gameplay. Ridiculous as it may sound, I was having trouble in trials with this so I was geniully looking for help but what should I except from the forums . On point I found myself struggling to keep people alive and cast orbs in the trial. I just wanted to know what I was doing wrong so I could help people. It was just a normal trial... I can't see myself doing veteran or anymore trials anymore... this is frustrating.

Brrrofski · May 2017

Tasear wrote: »

colig wrote: »

Tasear wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Tasear wrote: »

flizomica wrote: »

Tasear wrote: »

It's 2 secs afterwards where you can't use skills, that I am struggling with. Is it about timing and positioning.

there's a 1 second GCD, not 2

It's 2 from the patch notes.

This is from the patch notes.

This ability and its morphs now have 0.2 seconds of animation blending time at the end of their cast.
Increased the cast time of this ability and its morphs to 1.2 seconds from 1 second.

This is the developer comments from the patch notes.

All cast time and channeled abilities have 0.2 seconds after their cast is complete where you cannot cast another ability while the animations complete. This change makes Dark Exchange consistent with them. Adding an additional 0.2 seconds to the cast time of these abilities reduces the amount of resources they can generate when cast quickly in succession, and grants enemies more time to interrupt them.

Maybe you can paste in here the patch notes that are telling you it is 3 seconds.

From 3.0 you got 3.1, besides I was just asking for advice on it not trying be harassed by it.

It was added to make it consistent with out channel ablitilies

Is it these patch notes you're referring to?

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/335600/pts-patch-notes-v3-0-0/p1

It says the same thing to me. It seems everyone is trying to clarify the time, not mere harassment.

Yeah I seem to read it wrong . I suppose I am struggling with 0.4 secs of gameplay. Ridiculous as it may sound, I was having trouble in trials with this so I was geniully looking for help but what should I except from the forums . On point I found myself struggling to keep people alive and cast orbs in the trial. I just wanted to know what I was doing wrong so I could help people. It was just a normal trial... I can't see myself doing veteran or anymore trials anymore... this is frustrating.

Well you're giving people false information. People simply asked you what you meant.

Tasear · May 2017

Brrrofski wrote: »

Tasear wrote: »

colig wrote: »

Tasear wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Tasear wrote: »

flizomica wrote: »

Tasear wrote: »

It's 2 secs afterwards where you can't use skills, that I am struggling with. Is it about timing and positioning.

there's a 1 second GCD, not 2

It's 2 from the patch notes.

This is from the patch notes.

This ability and its morphs now have 0.2 seconds of animation blending time at the end of their cast.
Increased the cast time of this ability and its morphs to 1.2 seconds from 1 second.

This is the developer comments from the patch notes.

All cast time and channeled abilities have 0.2 seconds after their cast is complete where you cannot cast another ability while the animations complete. This change makes Dark Exchange consistent with them. Adding an additional 0.2 seconds to the cast time of these abilities reduces the amount of resources they can generate when cast quickly in succession, and grants enemies more time to interrupt them.

Maybe you can paste in here the patch notes that are telling you it is 3 seconds.

From 3.0 you got 3.1, besides I was just asking for advice on it not trying be harassed by it.

It was added to make it consistent with out channel ablitilies

Is it these patch notes you're referring to?

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/335600/pts-patch-notes-v3-0-0/p1

It says the same thing to me. It seems everyone is trying to clarify the time, not mere harassment.

Yeah I seem to read it wrong . I suppose I am struggling with 0.4 secs of gameplay. Ridiculous as it may sound, I was having trouble in trials with this so I was geniully looking for help but what should I except from the forums . On point I found myself struggling to keep people alive and cast orbs in the trial. I just wanted to know what I was doing wrong so I could help people. It was just a normal trial... I can't see myself doing veteran or anymore trials anymore... this is frustrating.

Well you're giving people false information. People simply asked you what you meant.

Well it's .4 not 0.2 so you guys didn't know all information either. Some of you even thought there was no difference. There's a difference and I wanted to know how to work with changes, but I suppose it's pointless now to ask for help.

flizomica · May 2017

regardless, trying using 3x regen glyphs and orzorga's red frothgar (+hp / mag recovery) to sustain better. heavy attack with resto staff also restores a crazy amount of mana if you have pts into tenacity (which you should)

andreasranasen · May 2017

It's still 0.2. I don't know WHERE you get 0.4...
Lawwwddd help this child lol

ofSunhold · May 2017

Tasear · May 2017

flizomica wrote: »

regardless, trying using 3x regen glyphs and orzorga's red frothgar (+hp / mag recovery) to sustain better. heavy attack with resto staff also restores a crazy amount of mana

At 2200 + magicka recovery with the witchmother brew. I am trying extemly hard to keep people alive, but I don't know if it's me or them. I . But people are dying faster, and getting one shotted, so I don't know what to do . I am using the orbs till I running out of magicka heavy attacking, but something isn't working. I tried using dark exchange to make it up, but that's too long to use in fluid game play it's like using blood altar in the middle of trial fight. I mean last week I did veteran trials this week... I am questioning if I can even do normals anymore.

flizomica · May 2017

Tasear wrote: »

flizomica wrote: »

regardless, trying using 3x regen glyphs and orzorga's red frothgar (+hp / mag recovery) to sustain better. heavy attack with resto staff also restores a crazy amount of mana

At 2200 + magicka recovery with the witchmother brew. I am trying extemly hard to keep people alive, but I don't know if it's me. If it's me, I could change. But people are dying faster, and getting one shotted, so I don't know what to do . I am using the orbs till I running out of magicka heavy attacking, but something isn't working. I mean last week I did veteran trials this week... I am questioning if I can even do normals anymore.

buffed or unbuffed? i have 2700 recovery unbuffed and that was okay when i was doing vHoF on PTS.

you cannot really spam orbs anymore as they are extremely expensive. costs the same as a breath of life for me.

can't heal thru 1-shots and i think you should also remind people to stack within the radius of a springs. just make sure you have a springs down before tossing buffs. a good practice is to springs before you barswap

Sukenlihol · May 2017

Use balance (equilibrum). it gives major resists also.

Tasear · May 2017

flizomica wrote: »

Tasear wrote: »

flizomica wrote: »

regardless, trying using 3x regen glyphs and orzorga's red frothgar (+hp / mag recovery) to sustain better. heavy attack with resto staff also restores a crazy amount of mana

At 2200 + magicka recovery with the witchmother brew. I am trying extemly hard to keep people alive, but I don't know if it's me. If it's me, I could change. But people are dying faster, and getting one shotted, so I don't know what to do . I am using the orbs till I running out of magicka heavy attacking, but something isn't working. I mean last week I did veteran trials this week... I am questioning if I can even do normals anymore.

buffed or unbuffed? i have 2700 recovery unbuffed and that was okay when i was doing vHoF on PTS.

you cannot really spam orbs anymore as they are extremely expensive. costs the same as a breath of life for me.

can't heal thru 1-shots and i think you should also remind people to stack within the radius of a springs. just make sure you have a springs down before tossing buffs. a good practice is to springs before you barswap

I see might be too low then it's 2300 buffed, but will keep note of the other things mentioned.

flizomica · May 2017

Tasear wrote: »

flizomica wrote: »

Tasear wrote: »

flizomica wrote: »

regardless, trying using 3x regen glyphs and orzorga's red frothgar (+hp / mag recovery) to sustain better. heavy attack with resto staff also restores a crazy amount of mana

At 2200 + magicka recovery with the witchmother brew. I am trying extemly hard to keep people alive, but I don't know if it's me. If it's me, I could change. But people are dying faster, and getting one shotted, so I don't know what to do . I am using the orbs till I running out of magicka heavy attacking, but something isn't working. I mean last week I did veteran trials this week... I am questioning if I can even do normals anymore.

buffed or unbuffed? i have 2700 recovery unbuffed and that was okay when i was doing vHoF on PTS.

you cannot really spam orbs anymore as they are extremely expensive. costs the same as a breath of life for me.

can't heal thru 1-shots and i think you should also remind people to stack within the radius of a springs. just make sure you have a springs down before tossing buffs. a good practice is to springs before you barswap

I see might be too low then it's 2300 buffed, but will keep note of the other things mentioned.

yeah that's way too low for this patch