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Character based house ownership, account wide houses.
Tapio75
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Hello.
I would like to suggest a small change to how houses are handled.
We currently buy a house, and its open for all characters so every character owns the same houses. This is good idea to begin with, nobody want to pay millions of gold again and again to get house for each character, this should not change. Once you have bought a house, it should and needs to be available for all characters to use.s
Suggested changse:
Option to choose between current system and character based ownership. With this, you would be either continue to use the system as is, or change it on character basis for one character or multiple characters if you so choose.
For example, if you have a house, that you want to furnish differently for one character, you could go to collections, and select "Exclusive for this character" on any house you allready own, you will not be charged any additional fees, that house will simply be available as an empty house for that one character whwile its still furnished like it always was for other characters. Other houses that are not set "Exclusive for this character" would be available as they are in other character so you can go and visit them like they are.
This change does not force you to anything. It will not add any additional costs to you.
Secondly, if you log out a character inside a certain house, that character will remain as an NPC in that house so if some other character or you friend goes to visit, he or she can also see your characters that live in that house.
Third, we need a new bank type, similar to crafting bag. This would be used for furniture, while many of you dont currently see holding furniture in theinventory as a problem, it will eventually be when you vegin to have more houses, more furniture, perphaps some rare furniture as well wwhich you want to store for later use. You could place them in an empty house but that would cliutter that house pretty fast. You could place them in your normal bank, but if your normal bank is full of equipment sets, items for research and other stuff that you dont want to carry with you all the time, the space will eventually be full and too expensive to upgrade. Furniture bank/warehouse, would be accessible easily from house editor, so if you have an item in the furniture bank, it shows up in the housing editor for use in your house of choice. This furniure bag could be subscriber exclusive like crafting bag to add litle mor e value to subscription.
We all know the other improvments like pathrouting pets and mount to make them more lively, interactivity for furniture etc but lets leave them to another post.
I dont want to add any additional cost to anyone, all that i wish, is tpo have more options which should be good for anyone, options do not make life harder for those not wanting options but it adds value to those who want more diversity.
I would like to suggest a small change to how houses are handled.
We currently buy a house, and its open for all characters so every character owns the same houses. This is good idea to begin with, nobody want to pay millions of gold again and again to get house for each character, this should not change. Once you have bought a house, it should and needs to be available for all characters to use.s
Suggested changse:
Option to choose between current system and character based ownership. With this, you would be either continue to use the system as is, or change it on character basis for one character or multiple characters if you so choose.
For example, if you have a house, that you want to furnish differently for one character, you could go to collections, and select "Exclusive for this character" on any house you allready own, you will not be charged any additional fees, that house will simply be available as an empty house for that one character whwile its still furnished like it always was for other characters. Other houses that are not set "Exclusive for this character" would be available as they are in other character so you can go and visit them like they are.
This change does not force you to anything. It will not add any additional costs to you.
Secondly, if you log out a character inside a certain house, that character will remain as an NPC in that house so if some other character or you friend goes to visit, he or she can also see your characters that live in that house.
Third, we need a new bank type, similar to crafting bag. This would be used for furniture, while many of you dont currently see holding furniture in theinventory as a problem, it will eventually be when you vegin to have more houses, more furniture, perphaps some rare furniture as well wwhich you want to store for later use. You could place them in an empty house but that would cliutter that house pretty fast. You could place them in your normal bank, but if your normal bank is full of equipment sets, items for research and other stuff that you dont want to carry with you all the time, the space will eventually be full and too expensive to upgrade. Furniture bank/warehouse, would be accessible easily from house editor, so if you have an item in the furniture bank, it shows up in the housing editor for use in your house of choice. This furniure bag could be subscriber exclusive like crafting bag to add litle mor e value to subscription.
We all know the other improvments like pathrouting pets and mount to make them more lively, interactivity for furniture etc but lets leave them to another post.
I dont want to add any additional cost to anyone, all that i wish, is tpo have more options which should be good for anyone, options do not make life harder for those not wanting options but it adds value to those who want more diversity.
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NewBlacksmurf✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I think you should have to buy a different version of the same house for something like this-PC (PTS)/Xbox One: NewBlacksmurf
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Danikat✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I was going to ask what difference it makes until I got to the bit about having separate, uniquely decorated copies of the same house.
I like that idea, but I agree that you should have to buy them separately if that's the case. Maybe the first payment gets you an account-wide copy of the house and then there's a setting to buy a unique copy on that character which costs the same again.
If this was possible it would definitely change things for me. The fact that my characters had to either have unique houses or had to share them definitely factored into my choice of house.PC EU player | She/her/hers | PAWS (Positively Against Wrip-off Stuff) - Say No to Crown Crates!
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Tapio75✭✭✭✭✭
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@Danikat
Maybe the dopy would have to be bought, but with reduced priced compared to first purchase of the house, how about that? The pricingcan be a bit steep especially for larger houses if you need to buy them with full price again.>>PC-EU Mostly PVE. Played since BETA<<0 -
NewBlacksmurf✭✭✭✭✭
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@Danikat
Maybe the dopy would have to be bought, but with reduced priced compared to first purchase of the house, how about that? The pricingcan be a bit steep especially for larger houses if you need to buy them with full price again.
No...different design is a completely different home
Same price-PC (PTS)/Xbox One: NewBlacksmurf
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Tapio75✭✭✭✭✭
✭Well, i can live with that but i know many would not like it, best compromise IS reduced price, whether we like it or not.>>PC-EU Mostly PVE. Played since BETA<<0 -
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I can see both viewpoints, but I don't really think its needed to change something that way... just buy different homes for different characters, set them up as you like...Suggested changse:
Option to choose between current system and character based ownership. With this, you would be either continue to use the system as is, or change it on character basis for one character or multiple characters if you so choose...
Roleplay-wise it might make sense to have all locations available as setting for your main character... this one is their "home", that one the home of a friend/relative/lover/father's brother's nephew's cousin's former roommate... the one over there can be used in a roleplay as stage-location, etc.
What definitely would be iffy was two characters having the same "home" in different variations - since the system obviously has only one "save slot" for each home set aside... so this option would require a good deal of recoding, for no additional profit... so that's not likely to ever happen. Besides, I expect the majority of the people in ESO will prefer to have their houses account-wide, due to prices of housing and furniture...
What I would want was to be able to set each house as one characters home... to make it official, you know? And then maybe an option to designate a home as "guildhall" which then would be open to all guildmates and such...0 -
Danikat✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I just think there needs to be some cost associated with it because otherwise the system would be abused.
At the moment we have a fairly straight-forward system where you pay more to get more space and a higher item limit, either by buying a bigger house or buying more of them.
If this system was created you could buy 1 small house (100 item limit) and make 8 copies of it - giving you 8 times as much space and storage for 800 items (more than a manor with ESO Plus) for the same price. It would completely erase the majority of benefits that larger houses offer - leaving only different styles and layouts.
It seems much more fair to me that if you want a 2nd house you have to pay for it, regardless of whether it's a different one or a second copy of one you already have. (And remember I said I would make use of this system, so this isn't me wanting to deny people something just because I don't want it - I'm saying I would expect to pay double to get 2 copies of a house.)PC EU player | She/her/hers | PAWS (Positively Against Wrip-off Stuff) - Say No to Crown Crates!
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DeadlyRecluse✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭This is a pretty good idea, but I suspect they have bigger fish to fry when it comes to improving housing, AND that this might be a lot more complicated on the backend then it sounds (you can't preview furnished houses once you buy one unfurnished, which seems like a related situation).Thrice Empress, Forever Scrub2 -
Tapio75✭✭✭✭✭
✭Hmm, considering problems what a free copy of house would create, i agree that some cost needs to be associated with the second copy..
To be honest, the full price is not that bad at all, if one can have gold/crowns for one, he or she can get more if really wants a second copy..
Vesides it would create more funds to ZOS to further improve homesteads if some folks would pay crowns for additional cpies of houses.
Abd there is quite a bit of improvment to be done there
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Leony1981✭✭Housing is currently waaaaayyyyy too expensive! I don't want to buy XX crowns when i've already purchased the game, the DLC's, expansion and had a subscription running until the game moved to consoles as well... In other words, I have already spend a few hundred bucks on this game. And where the heck should i find that much gold?! I, just as many others, have a life and do not have the time to play 24/7. This is also the reason why we get kicked out of guilds and cannot sell our stuff via a guild trader to make the highly needed extra gold. This makes it basically impossible for the more casual player to buy a house and we are stuck with the cramped room received at the start...
I have an easier time buying a house in real life (which i just did).
So yeah.. We really do need cheaper housing that's available for all characters and the option to share or have separate furniture.0 -
idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No offense but with the housing as it has been designed I don't see a real strong justification for Zos redesign it again so some players can have separate instances for each character.
No only have I not seen this in a major MMO, but I cannot vision many players who want to completely redecorate a home differently for each character. I see any effort fhat went into redesigning housing for this would benefit a small number of players.0 -
NewBlacksmurf✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Housing is currently waaaaayyyyy too expensive! I don't want to buy XX crowns when i've already purchased the game, the DLC's, expansion and had a subscription running until the game moved to consoles as well... In other words, I have already spend a few hundred bucks on this game. And where the heck should i find that much gold?! I, just as many others, have a life and do not have the time to play 24/7. This is also the reason why we get kicked out of guilds and cannot sell our stuff via a guild trader to make the highly needed extra gold. This makes it basically impossible for the more casual player to buy a house and we are stuck with the cramped room received at the start...
I have an easier time buying a house in real life (which i just did).
So yeah.. We really do need cheaper housing that's available for all characters and the option to share or have separate furniture.
The only way any of these changes to ownership can be feasible is if ZeniMax establishes a new type of home that's is exclusively earned or accessed through the existing guild social setup or through a new group setup.
If you use crowns it can't work cause crowns are individually bound and create share issues.
If homes were strictly as result of crafting, loot drops and perhaps quest and/or guild progression then it would work much better.
Maybe something logical like
-Mages Guild
-Fighters Guild
-Undaunted
-TG
-Etc
-maybe Player Guilds based on Min Guild size and other requirements. I think many wanted guild halls anyways
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BlackSparrow✭✭✭✭✭
✭Housing is currently waaaaayyyyy too expensive! I don't want to buy XX crowns when i've already purchased the game, the DLC's, expansion and had a subscription running until the game moved to consoles as well... In other words, I have already spend a few hundred bucks on this game. And where the heck should i find that much gold?! I, just as many others, have a life and do not have the time to play 24/7. This is also the reason why we get kicked out of guilds and cannot sell our stuff via a guild trader to make the highly needed extra gold. This makes it basically impossible for the more casual player to buy a house and we are stuck with the cramped room received at the start...
I have an easier time buying a house in real life (which i just did).
So yeah.. We really do need cheaper housing that's available for all characters and the option to share or have separate furniture.
As someone who also just bought a house in real life... I'd like to know where you're buying a house that it's that easy, because real life home-buying requires a lot more paperwork and hoop-jumping than a one-time payment for a video game house. XD
The pricing of these houses is supposed to be prohibitive. They don't want everyone being able to buy a mansion right out of the starting gate... they want you to save up and work for it. That's why they offer the apartments for ~10k gold... so that even people on a budget (both in and out of game) can get out of the inn room if they want to.
Trust me as another casual: even as a casual, you can save enough gold in-game if you just find the right money-making technique. My personal method is through legerdemain... my upgraded thief makes 15-20k gold with an hour's work to fill her daily fencing limit. That's four days at an hour a day to get one of the small homes with in-game gold... which definitely gives you more leg-room than the inn rooms. A couple weeks and you'll be able to get a medium house, which is more than enough for most people! That's the point: just like in real life, if you want a nice house, you have to work for it.Living vicariously through my characters.
My Girls:"If you were trapped in your house for, say, a year, how would you pass the time?"
Nephikah the Houseless, dunmer assassin: "I suppose I could use the break. I have a lot of business holdings now that need management."
Swum-Many-Waters, elderly argonian healer: "I think that I would enjoy writing a memoir."
Silh'ki, khajiit warrior-chef: "Would this one be able to go outside, to the nearby river? It's hard to fish without water!"
Peregrine Huntress, bosmer hunter: "Who is forcing me to stay inside, and where can I find them?"
Lorenyawe, altmer mechanist: "And why would I want to go outside in the first place? Too much to be done in the workshop."
Lorelai Magpie, breton master thief: "I'd go nuts. Lucky for me, I have a little experience sneaking out!"
Rasheda the Burning Heart, redguard knight: "I would continue my training to keep my skills sharp."
Hex-Eye Azabi, khajiit daedric priestess: "I suppose it would be lucky, then, that I built a shrine to Mephala in my backyard."
Yngva Stormhammer, nord bandit (reformed...ish): "I hate being inside even when I'm not forced to be. GET. ME. OUT."
Madam Argentia, vampire dunmer aristocrat: "I suppose it would be more of the same. I have a rather... contentious relationship with the sun."
Mazie gra-Bolga, orc scout: "Uh... I'd have to house train my bear..."
Felicia the Wanderer, imperial witch-for-hire: "What Lorelai said."
Calico Jaka-dra, retired khajiit pirate: "This one would like a rest from her grand adventures. Her jewel shop runs out of stock!"
Shimmerbeam, blind altmer psijic: "Provided that I am confined to Artaeum, I do not think I will want for things to occupy my time."
Shauna Blackfire, redguard necromancer: "Sounds like paradise. I hate people."
Kirniel the Undying, cursed bosmer warrior: "I would feel useless, not being able to fight."
Echoes-from-Dragons, argonian who thinks she's a dragon: "All the better to count my hoard!"
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NewBlacksmurf✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭BlackSparrow wrote: »Housing is currently waaaaayyyyy too expensive! I don't want to buy XX crowns when i've already purchased the game, the DLC's, expansion and had a subscription running until the game moved to consoles as well... In other words, I have already spend a few hundred bucks on this game. And where the heck should i find that much gold?! I, just as many others, have a life and do not have the time to play 24/7. This is also the reason why we get kicked out of guilds and cannot sell our stuff via a guild trader to make the highly needed extra gold. This makes it basically impossible for the more casual player to buy a house and we are stuck with the cramped room received at the start...
I have an easier time buying a house in real life (which i just did).
So yeah.. We really do need cheaper housing that's available for all characters and the option to share or have separate furniture.
As someone who also just bought a house in real life... I'd like to know where you're buying a house that it's that easy, because real life home-buying requires a lot more paperwork and hoop-jumping than a one-time payment for a video game house. XD
The pricing of these houses is supposed to be prohibitive. They don't want everyone being able to buy a mansion right out of the starting gate... they want you to save up and work for it. That's why they offer the apartments for ~10k gold... so that even people on a budget (both in and out of game) can get out of the inn room if they want to.
Trust me as another casual: even as a casual, you can save enough gold in-game if you just find the right money-making technique. My personal method is through legerdemain... my upgraded thief makes 15-20k gold with an hour's work to fill her daily fencing limit. That's four days at an hour a day to get one of the small homes with in-game gold... which definitely gives you more leg-room than the inn rooms. A couple weeks and you'll be able to get a medium house, which is more than enough for most people! That's the point: just like in real life, if you want a nice house, you have to work for it.
Yeah I was going to comment on the real house purchase comments too.
Just a year ago I purchased a house and it was possibly the most difficult purchase ever and that's excluding the qualification for a home loan-PC (PTS)/Xbox One: NewBlacksmurf
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CountEdmondDantes✭✭✭✭BlackSparrow wrote: »Housing is currently waaaaayyyyy too expensive! I don't want to buy XX crowns when i've already purchased the game, the DLC's, expansion and had a subscription running until the game moved to consoles as well... In other words, I have already spend a few hundred bucks on this game. And where the heck should i find that much gold?! I, just as many others, have a life and do not have the time to play 24/7. This is also the reason why we get kicked out of guilds and cannot sell our stuff via a guild trader to make the highly needed extra gold. This makes it basically impossible for the more casual player to buy a house and we are stuck with the cramped room received at the start...
I have an easier time buying a house in real life (which i just did).
So yeah.. We really do need cheaper housing that's available for all characters and the option to share or have separate furniture.
As someone who also just bought a house in real life... I'd like to know where you're buying a house that it's that easy, because real life home-buying requires a lot more paperwork and hoop-jumping than a one-time payment for a video game house. XD
The pricing of these houses is supposed to be prohibitive. They don't want everyone being able to buy a mansion right out of the starting gate... they want you to save up and work for it. That's why they offer the apartments for ~10k gold... so that even people on a budget (both in and out of game) can get out of the inn room if they want to.
Trust me as another casual: even as a casual, you can save enough gold in-game if you just find the right money-making technique. My personal method is through legerdemain... my upgraded thief makes 15-20k gold with an hour's work to fill her daily fencing limit. That's four days at an hour a day to get one of the small homes with in-game gold... which definitely gives you more leg-room than the inn rooms. A couple weeks and you'll be able to get a medium house, which is more than enough for most people! That's the point: just like in real life, if you want a nice house, you have to work for it.
I completely agree with this.
That said, I'd like to see more smaller houses implemented or a feature where you can purchase or rent rooms at inns in major cities.
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NewBlacksmurf✭✭✭✭✭
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What are your thoughts on house not having crown offerings at all...meaning you'd have to earn them ingame only-PC (PTS)/Xbox One: NewBlacksmurf
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Rouven✭✭✭✭✭
✭It would definitely increase the available storage space for furniture!Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time. ~ Terry Pratchett0 -
Linaleah✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭the system I would like is being able to select different primary house for different characters. and/or being able to visit/have people visit ALL houses, not just primary one.dirty worthless casual.
Lois McMaster Bujold "A Civil Campaign"Reputation is what other people know about you. Honor is what you know about yourself. Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the ***0 -
Tandor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I don't agree with the OP's suggestions, other than in respect of displaying characters in your house while they are logged out and which I'd certainly like to see with each character on an account able to have a nominated residence so they could all be in one house, or spread among your houses - but not like pets and mounts that are cloned in every house.the system I would like is being able to select different primary house for different characters. and/or being able to visit/have people visit ALL houses, not just primary one.
That is very much something I favour. Having two accounts it's a major irritation that my characters on one account can only visit one primary residence on the other account. Access rights should be specific to each house and each character.
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✭NewBlacksmurf wrote: »@BlackSparrow and @CountEdmondDantes
What are your thoughts on house not having crown offerings at all...meaning you'd have to earn them ingame only
Personally, I wouldn't be a fan of that. I haven't bought a house with Crowns yet (currently saving up to buy Hunding's with in-game gold), but I like that it's an option. That way, people who have good in-game cash flow can get the nice houses and people with out-of-game expendable income can also get the houses. Houses are not pay-to-win or anything, so it's not really an ethical question, otherwise I'd protest.
If anything, I don't like that the Crown exclusives aren't available through in-game gold, regardless of the fact that their in-game prices would be ridiculous. I like the either/or aspect.Living vicariously through my characters.
My Girls:"If you were trapped in your house for, say, a year, how would you pass the time?"
Nephikah the Houseless, dunmer assassin: "I suppose I could use the break. I have a lot of business holdings now that need management."
Swum-Many-Waters, elderly argonian healer: "I think that I would enjoy writing a memoir."
Silh'ki, khajiit warrior-chef: "Would this one be able to go outside, to the nearby river? It's hard to fish without water!"
Peregrine Huntress, bosmer hunter: "Who is forcing me to stay inside, and where can I find them?"
Lorenyawe, altmer mechanist: "And why would I want to go outside in the first place? Too much to be done in the workshop."
Lorelai Magpie, breton master thief: "I'd go nuts. Lucky for me, I have a little experience sneaking out!"
Rasheda the Burning Heart, redguard knight: "I would continue my training to keep my skills sharp."
Hex-Eye Azabi, khajiit daedric priestess: "I suppose it would be lucky, then, that I built a shrine to Mephala in my backyard."
Yngva Stormhammer, nord bandit (reformed...ish): "I hate being inside even when I'm not forced to be. GET. ME. OUT."
Madam Argentia, vampire dunmer aristocrat: "I suppose it would be more of the same. I have a rather... contentious relationship with the sun."
Mazie gra-Bolga, orc scout: "Uh... I'd have to house train my bear..."
Felicia the Wanderer, imperial witch-for-hire: "What Lorelai said."
Calico Jaka-dra, retired khajiit pirate: "This one would like a rest from her grand adventures. Her jewel shop runs out of stock!"
Shimmerbeam, blind altmer psijic: "Provided that I am confined to Artaeum, I do not think I will want for things to occupy my time."
Shauna Blackfire, redguard necromancer: "Sounds like paradise. I hate people."
Kirniel the Undying, cursed bosmer warrior: "I would feel useless, not being able to fight."
Echoes-from-Dragons, argonian who thinks she's a dragon: "All the better to count my hoard!"
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Queo✭✭✭I kinda like where the OP's head is at, kinda dont...
What if instead of multiple copies of the same home, each character can have different main homes?
I also really like the idea of logging out puts your character at home as a NPC like thing. Thats one of the many things houses are missing... life...0 -
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✭Hmm...I think ZOS wants the housing to be a gold sink, and that's fair...at least they don't force crown sales, or charge a monthly in-game gold rent fee for housing (other games do).
As such, I think they want to have you buy separate homes if you want your characters to each have their place. This sort of works better with the idea of your character slate as a team. I understand that the OP wants players to have versatility to approach this either way, but I don't see ZOS spending to implement programming for this.
Also, it has inventory implication. My house that holds 500 furnishings for storage would then be able to hold 6000 if my characters can split it. Good for me...not sure it's good for the game and economy.0 -
kargen27✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I am getting each character I play their own home. They can't decorate their home with achievement furniture they have not earned themselves. I didn't realize it at the time but that decision has made questing more fun for me. Now doing some of the quests means reaching a goal and reward for that particular character but I digress.
One problem with having multiple homes is only our primary can be visited without us actually being there. I would really like to see a drop down menu where the visit residence option is so all homes that player owns are available to visit.
A log book where visitors could leave comments would also be cool.
And I want some happy little birdies for my trees. Doesn't seem right that a bird or two couldn't fly over the fence and sit in one of my trees. And maybe a squirrel though he would have to climb over I guess.and then the parrot said, "must be the water mines green too."1