So um... let me put it this way...
You have a class that has stamina based healing and a lot of pets that can take aggro from mobs...

You will be probably able to solo most of the content of this game (yes even some group content)....

If I would create a warden I would go stamina....

I fully leveled my mag warden day one with a friend and I geared it out with julianos and TBS and completed nHOF. I would say DPS is quite lacking. Even most of the passives and morphs feel like they play a support role that becomes redundant except when soloing. My DPS was 15k to 22k without war horn and I'm having trouble animation canceling it. The class seems to be mainly AOE based According to alcasts guide. Once I get my addons to work with DoTS, I'll get a better idea but so far quite lackluster.

After playing this Warden to 40 with around 600 CP as magicka, I can say I am not as happy or as powerful as I felt in beta. It may be due to the changes in CP and that I am still learning my rotation. I can't speak to the stamina build as I have not yet done it. However, if the feedback is a stamina Warden is the way to go, I'll finish this Magden off and start working on the Stamden - I want to like this class...but I do often think to myself - my Magplar feels much better than this...

SilverWF wrote: »

Warden - BS in mag or stam both (stam sucks by default btw) and in the all roles (DD, tank, healer)
Do not play Warden at all, other than if you are roleplayer or something like that

Fully agree here.

I have a warden tank for now. I had to invest all attributes 50 50 % in stamina and magicka in order to dps a bit and for sustain. While leveling, sustain is horrible. Leveling a DK is actually a beautiful rewarding experience. Leveling this warden I chose to go in Al'Akir and just join the dolmen group to do it faster and get over with it, using all the XP possible buffs (ESO+, scrolls), including full training crafted gear. I will return to forums after my leveling is done - I intend to follow to the letter Alcast's guide for warden tanking (gear wise and everything). Anyway, for now, to level a tank useful only in dungeons feels bad.

I went with Magicka and so far having fun.

Tryxus wrote: »

KaiVox22 wrote: »

Blkadr wrote: »

I'm confused as how to even DO stamina since all of the warden skills are magicka based. So my stamina warden has a 2-hander and I guess will use magicka as a backup when her stamina runs out (which of course it does constantly with the new changes.)

Cliff racer morph, subterranean assault

As well as Stamina Netch, Stamina Bear and a Stamina Heal

So there are stamina morphs for these, good. I haven't leveled enough to morph anything yet.

Blkadr wrote: »

I'm confused as how to even DO stamina since all of the warden skills are magicka based. So my stamina warden has a 2-hander and I guess will use magicka as a backup when her stamina runs out (which of course it does constantly with the new changes.)

Every skill in-game starts as magicka (exept some weapon / guild skill-lines). So just level them up, and give them the stamina-morph.

Both are kinda terrible in comparison to the other classes and specs...

In PvP,

Magwars have amazing burst capabilities in terms of single-target, and also have a lot of flexibility with their skills, making them very useful for a group than a stamwar. However, their greatest strength is utility. Because we're dealing with a magicka pool and, thus, we have more access to magicka abilities, things like Falcon's Swiftness (mobility), Frozen Gate (aoe CC), and Corrupting Pollen (aoe Major Defile, which have many uses to control the battlefield and debuff enemies. In solo circumstances, the combination of self-heals (Leeching Vines + Lotus Blossom) is crazy enough when you also add in some shields (Harness Magicka).

Their biggest weakness is reapplying buffs and slotting the most important skills, based on their role, buffs which are often short (10-15 seconds long), and buffing when needed rather than spamming whenever you want. Tactically, you need to decide, for instance, if you need Leeching Vines at the moment or not, or if an ally could benefit from their effects, or if you need to place Corrupting Pollen to debuff enemies before releasing ultimates. Finding the bar space for many of these abilities can be tricky as well, but they have a lot of versatility in terms of roles for being a healer, dps, support, or tank, really, especially with the addition of the Netch as a sustain option.

Stam-wardens are similar in that their damage is a little higher and more bursty, but aren't nearly as utility-based. They can use a similar burst setup to Magwar (Subterrraneon Assault + LA + Uppercut + Cutting Dive), but are a bit harder to utilize due to a lack of having a strong enough magicka pool to take advantage of Magwarden's abilities. You also have Green Lotus, meaning you can have Major Savagery along with the Shalk's Major Fracture, and the Bull Netch's stam recovery, which can help a lot, not to mention Falcon Swiftness's stamina recovery bonus. Sustain is a non-issue as an offensive stamwar, but they still suffer from having to deal with timing issues like when to pull off their burst.

TL;DR: Magicka Warden has great burst and much better group utility as a support/dps yet suffers from buff control, low buff duration, and a lack of reliable burst heals. Solo-wise, you have a lot of tricks up your sleeve.

Stamina Warden has similar burst but has to time it much better. Sustain is fine, and you have little issues with survability, but timing your attacks effectively is key.

Overall, Magicka Warden seems to be a better choice atm, especially due to the stealth-nerf to Piercing Cold, because of their role versatility and great damage output. They are a bit of a jack-of-all-trades, making them quite viable in Cyrodill and especially BGs.

Vulture051 wrote: »

Crap, was kinda hoping Stamina would be the winner. Guess I'm making yet another Altmer.

Argonian is the way to go with the extra sustain + hp/mag + heals.

Ulfgarde wrote: »

Overall, Magicka Warden seems to be a better choice atm, especially due to the stealth-nerf to Piercing Cold, because of their role versatility and great damage output. They are a bit of a jack-of-all-trades, making them quite viable in Cyrodill and especially BGs.

Can't wait to see in chat: " LF DD, warden only!" or "LF healer, warden preferably!"
Oh wait, this would never happens...

So Magicka Warden is the clear winner?

Magic warden their skills have additional morph effects and passives help them more.