I would rather ambush gets the buff

@LiquidPony

I always found it odd though that it wasn't under the assassination tree. also that it gave no bonus to "attack from stealth" if it is indeed the "attack from stealth" skill. Especially if an assassin's blade seems more thematically tied to attacking from the darkness rather than after you've beaten the enemy around the head for a good while.

I don't think it's even working right currently . I tested it several times and did not see 300% increase at targets below 25% . I think it's bugged .

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

I don't think it's even working right currently . I tested it several times and did not see 300% increase at targets below 25% . I think it's bugged .

It's been bugged like this for me for a while. Seems to work most of the time but occasionally it hits ( i hear sound and see animation ) but does ZERO damage

Zolron wrote: »

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

I don't think it's even working right currently . I tested it several times and did not see 300% increase at targets below 25% . I think it's bugged .

It's been bugged like this for me for a while. Seems to work most of the time but occasionally it hits ( i hear sound and see animation ) but does ZERO damage

hmmm it seems to work for me every time, but in pvp people have so many heal bonuses its hard to hit them fast enough at 25% because they get that low and they dodge/heal.

but its pretty much guaranteed death when they are hit under 25% but i run reverse slice most the time because its scales at 50%

To the OP, i really like the idea.... however Surprise Attack is already kind of your best opener after Morrowwind (not saying wrecking blow/snipe/onslaught/heavy att are bad alternatives by any means). Sets target off balance, stuns and gives major buffs. I use killers blade as an execute and its already my finisher for my gank combo. Using it at the start and finish would be weird.

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

I don't think it's even working right currently . I tested it several times and did not see 300% increase at targets below 25% . I think it's bugged .

You may be onto something. I noticed executing someone with a large damage shield who was under 25% health was not producing the 300% increased damage. I'll go test it right now to confirm.

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Not sure it's really needed, like people said this is the execute and veiled is the cloak attack.
The stun cloaked veiled is pretty good tbh, a lot of people don't use it as much anymore thoough.

I think we will see a surge of stamina nightblades using surprise att stun more often because fear will cost too much magicka (in morrowwind). Without a cost reduction star in cp, cloak and fear gonna cost like 3800 minimum. Thats a lot.

I know for pve executes don't stack with some forms of additive damage like minor slayer. So is it not dealing the extra damage at all or is it not dealing the full 300% extra?

Avran_Sylt wrote: »

@GreenSoup2HoT

Hmm. Perhaps this:

Since attacks from stealth already stuns the enemy regardless of what ability you use (light attacks from stealth also stun enemies), maybe Veiled Strike (and morphs) can increase the damage done by 30% when attacking from crouch stealth, and stunning enemies when attacking from cloaking effects?

As it currently is redundant in that it applies an additional stun from stealth from stealth attacks. While you may argue that the stun itself from crouch lasts longer due to the Master Assassin' Passive, I don't think it'd be useful at all. a 4 second stun is good enough.

But then leaving Assassin's Blade alone.

It's a decent idea but there is really no reason to open with Surprise attack considering most gankers already weave a heavy attack first. If you opened with surprise attack and gained 30% more damage with it because of this new change... you would just be gaining the same damage thats already possible with heavy attack + surprise attack openers.

I think the stamina morph of Assassins Blade (Killers blade) needs a rework. 20% hp for killing a target in my opinion doesn't suit the playstyle for nightblade in endgame. While leveling a stamina nightblade it is a tremendous help to survive before Rally or Vigor is obtained but in Endgame PvP or PvE it really looses its value.


Heres what i would change about Killers Blade to make it a little more impressive:

Assassins Blade (base morph)
"Thrust a caustic blade with a lethal precision to stab an enemy, dealing [x] Disease Damage. Deals 300% more damage to targets at or below 25% Heath."

Killers Blade (stamina morph)
Converts to a Stamina ability and deals Disease Damage. NEW CHANGE: Deals 50% more damage for each consecutive execute against someone under 25% health. Up to 500%.


Now why would i want a change like this? Well there are a couple scenarios that would benefit from this change in pve and pvp.

In pve its self explanatory, 200% more execute damage would make a stamina nightblades dps skyrocket during an execute phase of a boss. If there is ever a boss mechanic where upon entering execute phase you need to dps the boss and kill it before your raid wipe's.... a stamina nightblade would be perfect for this situation because of how strong killers blade could potentially be. Thus making them more valuable in pve raids.

In PvP, shield stacking builds that refuse to die will continue to take more and more damage if they sit there shield stacking while under 25% health. Since you cannot critically hit a shield, this will provide a way to punish players who spam shields while in a executable phase.

@Wrobel What do you think of this kind of change for Killers Blade?

Kram8ion wrote: »

Give nb blade of woe in cyrodil on npcs

yeah i feel that. then you could use that set that gives you major bezerk.

@Kram8ion

Wait, Blade of Woe Doesn't work on NPC's in Cyrodiil? Like the guards, the NPC's in towns, or both?

Kram8ion wrote: »

Avran_Sylt wrote: »

@Kram8ion

Wait, Blade of Woe Doesn't work on NPC's in Cyrodiil? Like the guards, the NPC's in towns, or both?

I'm not hundred percent sure but maybe some others can confirm it's been a long time since I've even used it

It definitely works on NPCs and daedra, I use it in Bruma all the time. Doesn't work on faction guards though because they have stealth immunity. (Haven't tried it while invis though)

Avran_Sylt wrote: »

@GreenSoup2HoT

That's an interesting idea. And I quite like that you point out how most people will chose to Heavy weave into an ability because of the heavy attack damage + ability damage being higher than surprise attack on its lonesome. Not only that but adding the execute stacking on Killer's Blade seems rather interesting and would invite a situation where having a nightblade would speed a trial up at a particular phase (Though I would suggest not having it solely be for Killers blade, as so far in my opinion stam and mag nightblades are in a good spot against one another).

But perhaps on the killer's blade it could grant Major Berserk for a couple seconds after a kill instead of the health bonus. Since melee builds tend to be less AoE than their Magicka counterparts it might make going from one target to the next more enticing than just blanket AoE.

Technically we do have major berserk with Reapers Mark after a kill for 5 seconds. Not only would you get that attack boost, you could get 60% of your max hp (30% in pvp) and debuff your enemies major resistances. Kill them with Killers blade and theres another 20% hp (10% in pvp).

Even though on paper reapers mark sounds awesome, its not really practical. Would be nice if enemy players did not know they were marked. I personally don't like how marked targets know they've been marked, ruins the whole assassination feel.


Maybe a new assassination skill line mechanic, killing a marked target with killers blade marks the closest nearby enemy. Creating a new debuffed target for you to kill. I dunno, i personally really like my original idea.

Avran_Sylt wrote: »

Give it something like: This ability deals 300% more damage to targets at or under 25% health, or when used from stealth (Not cloak)

Edit: Also, looking more at the damage numbers on the tooltip, damage from stealth only being increased by 200% seems less overpowered, and brings it in line to almost the same damage as uppercut/snipe base damage.

Even 200% is WAY too much. Especially, paired with other stuff, like Viper.
More oneshots - that's what we looked for, really! Not.