Irylia's Morrowind Msorc Build

Irylia · May 2017

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTCnvogIask&t=141s

Zander98 · May 2017

The clever move was the 3 prismatic glyphs.
I've been playing with builds using Shacklebreaker since yesterday and have found a few that run very well in non cp. Stam pool is just slightly low there for a couple of the builds..
But the prismatic glyphs were a clever move. Didn't even think of that.

Hutch679 · May 2017

Zander98 wrote: »

The clever move was the 3 prismatic glyphs.
I've been playing with builds using Shacklebreaker since yesterday and have found a few that run very well in non cp. Stam pool is just slightly low there for a couple of the builds..
But the prismatic glyphs were a clever move. Didn't even think of that.

Got my glyphs ready for morrowind to release on console. As well as all my mats to craft the 5 pieces I need and upgrade them. Let's you use the witches brew for max regen. I'll be running 5 shacklebreaker/ 4 (5 back bar lich)/ 3 willpower using dual wield. Beastly.

His amberplasm/ shacklebreaker build is for sure best in slot for using a staff.

FlyLionel · May 2017

Wow, really good. May try this out just with a master resto on back bar.

Draekony · May 2017

Thanks for posting this, was going to try it out. I only have 2x amberplasm rings, divine amberplasm shoulders, impen chest, impen amber legs, divine amber hat/shoes/waist.

Going to try out impen amber chest, impen amber legs, divine amber shoulders, x2 amber rings, then fill in the rest with shacklebreaker impen (with an infused hat and belt - didnt have trait for impen belt but got 2072 crit resistance without impen belt) with shackle breaker inferno/resto staves. hopefully wont be too bad cause farming amberplasm was so painful (really wanted the 3x purple jewelry lol)

cant wait to try it out on cp campaign.

after the cp setup i've got 36k magicka, 21k health, 13k stam, but 2016 spell dmg 56.7% crit dmg without any procs and brew on. all purple gear. spell power feels bit low tho. 1334 stamina recovery/2006 magicka recovery

Hutch679 wrote: »

Got my glyphs ready for morrowind to release on console. As well as all my mats to craft the 5 pieces I need and upgrade them. Let's you use the witches brew for max regen. I'll be running 5 shacklebreaker/ 4 (5 back bar lich)/ 3 willpower using dual wield. Beastly.

His amberplasm/ shacklebreaker build is for sure best in slot for using a staff.

that willpower build 2 posts above is interesting though, definitely got the 2 willpower swords and a lich resto staff, wonder which would be better. set this build up too and got 21.3k hp, 38.3k mana, 13.6k stamina 2369 sp and 53% crit with 2247 magicka recovery without lich proc with same CP as build above and 918 stam recovery. get more stam regen (400 more) with amberplasm/shacklebreaker tho. added aegis and degeneration to front bar and getting 42k mana with brew on. 3749 magicka recovery with lich buff. this is all purple except the two willpower swords.

decisions decisions, sorry if im derailing

Irylia · May 2017

Draekony wrote: »

Thanks for posting this, was going to try it out. I only have 2x amberplasm rings, divine amberplasm shoulders, impen chest, impen amber legs, divine amber hat/shoes/waist.

Going to try out impen amber chest, impen amber legs, divine amber shoulders, x2 amber rings, then fill in the rest with shacklebreaker impen (with an infused hat and belt - didnt have trait for impen belt but got 2072 crit resistance without impen belt) with shackle breaker inferno/resto staves. hopefully wont be too bad cause farming amberplasm was so painful (really wanted the 3x purple jewelry lol)

cant wait to try it out on cp campaign.

after the cp setup i've got 36k magicka, 21k health, 13k stam, but 2016 spell dmg 56.7% crit dmg without any procs and brew on. all purple gear. spell power feels bit low tho. 1334 stamina recovery/2006 magicka recovery

Hutch679 wrote: »

Got my glyphs ready for morrowind to release on console. As well as all my mats to craft the 5 pieces I need and upgrade them. Let's you use the witches brew for max regen. I'll be running 5 shacklebreaker/ 4 (5 back bar lich)/ 3 willpower using dual wield. Beastly.

His amberplasm/ shacklebreaker build is for sure best in slot for using a staff.

that willpower build 2 posts above is interesting though, definitely got the 2 willpower swords and a lich resto staff, wonder which would be better. set this build up too and got 21.3k hp, 38.3k mana, 13.6k stamina 2369 sp and 53% crit with 2247 magicka recovery without lich proc with same CP as build above and 918 stam recovery. get more stam regen (400 more) with amberplasm/shacklebreaker tho. added aegis and degeneration to front bar and getting 42k mana with brew on.

decisions decisions, sorry if im derailing

With inferno passive for 8% more you will get more damage using destro build. Especially with vma spell damage and the 1 extra from shackle.

My spell damage reaches 3.3 that's using all spell damage glyphs. Vma destro. Shackle and Amber giving a spell piece each. And beserk enchant with major sorcery on it all. Shadow will then amplify that damage even further.

Destro allows you to proc frags easier. Get shock and light weaves in. Extra damage and constant pressure instead of telegraphed dw burst.

Malamar1229 · May 2017

I wonder how many nubs are googling berserk enchant right now....?

;-)

Hutch679 · May 2017

Irylia wrote: »

Draekony wrote: »

Thanks for posting this, was going to try it out. I only have 2x amberplasm rings, divine amberplasm shoulders, impen chest, impen amber legs, divine amber hat/shoes/waist.

Going to try out impen amber chest, impen amber legs, divine amber shoulders, x2 amber rings, then fill in the rest with shacklebreaker impen (with an infused hat and belt - didnt have trait for impen belt but got 2072 crit resistance without impen belt) with shackle breaker inferno/resto staves. hopefully wont be too bad cause farming amberplasm was so painful (really wanted the 3x purple jewelry lol)

cant wait to try it out on cp campaign.

after the cp setup i've got 36k magicka, 21k health, 13k stam, but 2016 spell dmg 56.7% crit dmg without any procs and brew on. all purple gear. spell power feels bit low tho. 1334 stamina recovery/2006 magicka recovery

Hutch679 wrote: »

Got my glyphs ready for morrowind to release on console. As well as all my mats to craft the 5 pieces I need and upgrade them. Let's you use the witches brew for max regen. I'll be running 5 shacklebreaker/ 4 (5 back bar lich)/ 3 willpower using dual wield. Beastly.

His amberplasm/ shacklebreaker build is for sure best in slot for using a staff.

that willpower build 2 posts above is interesting though, definitely got the 2 willpower swords and a lich resto staff, wonder which would be better. set this build up too and got 21.3k hp, 38.3k mana, 13.6k stamina 2369 sp and 53% crit with 2247 magicka recovery without lich proc with same CP as build above and 918 stam recovery. get more stam regen (400 more) with amberplasm/shacklebreaker tho. added aegis and degeneration to front bar and getting 42k mana with brew on.

decisions decisions, sorry if im derailing

With inferno passive for 8% more you will get more damage using destro build. Especially with vma spell damage and the 1 extra from shackle.

My spell damage reaches 3.3 that's using all spell damage glyphs. Vma destro. Shackle and Amber giving a spell piece each. And beserk enchant with major sorcery on it all. Shadow will then amplify that damage even further.

Destro allows you to proc frags easier. Get shock and light weaves in. Extra damage and constant pressure instead of telegraphed dw burst.

I've played with both. Destro staff only gives a 2% damage increase over dual wield swords. I don't like mindlessly spamming crushing shock with light attacks. I empower all my frags and curses. Combining them with a dawn breaker is certain death for most people. Both are VERY viable just depends on play style. Dual wield is definitely less regen intensive though. Dual wield also allows me to use 3 piece willpower with 5 shackle 4 lich on front bar, 4 shackle 5 lich 3 willpower on backbar. With weapon enchant I hit 3700 spell power currently using julianos. Can't make the switch to shackle until release on console. But I should still have around ~3500 spell power.

grim_tactics · May 2017

So would this be more for PvE or PvP or both?

Like the stats as they seem really well rounded and strong but couldn't listen to audio as I'm at work.

Irylia · May 2017

grim_tactics wrote: »

So would this be more for PvE or PvP or both?

Like the stats as they seem really well rounded and strong but couldn't listen to audio as I'm at work.

pvp

Draekony · May 2017

Yah I'm getting 3640 without keep bonus but with berserker/major sorcery. im gonna mess with both its a lot of fun, my frag tooltips are 19k though. shooting star is still GG but dawnbreaker helps line it up better. both builds will be a lot of fun!

gonna try curse/degen/frag/aegis/inner light with dawnbreaker then backbar mages wrath/healing ward/empowered ward/aegis/streak/lights champ

ok but for real going to stop derailing, this person posted a great build, apologies.

Hutch679 · May 2017

grim_tactics wrote: »

So would this be more for PvE or PvP or both?

Like the stats as they seem really well rounded and strong but couldn't listen to audio as I'm at work.

Pvp.

Hutch679 · May 2017

Draekony wrote: »

Yah I'm getting 3640 without keep bonus but with berserker/major sorcery. im gonna mess with both its a lot of fun, my frag tooltips are 19k though. shooting star is still GG but dawnbreaker helps line it up better. both builds will be a lot of fun!

gonna try curse/degen/frag/aegis/inner light with dawnbreaker then backbar mages wrath/healing ward/empowered ward/aegis/streak/lights champ

ok but for real going to stop derailing, this person posted a great build, apologies.

Yeah that's for sure gonna be one of the top setups for mag sorcs.

Barbaran · May 2017

Hutch679 wrote: »

Irylia wrote: »

Draekony wrote: »

Thanks for posting this, was going to try it out. I only have 2x amberplasm rings, divine amberplasm shoulders, impen chest, impen amber legs, divine amber hat/shoes/waist.

Going to try out impen amber chest, impen amber legs, divine amber shoulders, x2 amber rings, then fill in the rest with shacklebreaker impen (with an infused hat and belt - didnt have trait for impen belt but got 2072 crit resistance without impen belt) with shackle breaker inferno/resto staves. hopefully wont be too bad cause farming amberplasm was so painful (really wanted the 3x purple jewelry lol)

cant wait to try it out on cp campaign.

after the cp setup i've got 36k magicka, 21k health, 13k stam, but 2016 spell dmg 56.7% crit dmg without any procs and brew on. all purple gear. spell power feels bit low tho. 1334 stamina recovery/2006 magicka recovery

Hutch679 wrote: »

Got my glyphs ready for morrowind to release on console. As well as all my mats to craft the 5 pieces I need and upgrade them. Let's you use the witches brew for max regen. I'll be running 5 shacklebreaker/ 4 (5 back bar lich)/ 3 willpower using dual wield. Beastly.

His amberplasm/ shacklebreaker build is for sure best in slot for using a staff.

that willpower build 2 posts above is interesting though, definitely got the 2 willpower swords and a lich resto staff, wonder which would be better. set this build up too and got 21.3k hp, 38.3k mana, 13.6k stamina 2369 sp and 53% crit with 2247 magicka recovery without lich proc with same CP as build above and 918 stam recovery. get more stam regen (400 more) with amberplasm/shacklebreaker tho. added aegis and degeneration to front bar and getting 42k mana with brew on.

decisions decisions, sorry if im derailing

With inferno passive for 8% more you will get more damage using destro build. Especially with vma spell damage and the 1 extra from shackle.

My spell damage reaches 3.3 that's using all spell damage glyphs. Vma destro. Shackle and Amber giving a spell piece each. And beserk enchant with major sorcery on it all. Shadow will then amplify that damage even further.

Destro allows you to proc frags easier. Get shock and light weaves in. Extra damage and constant pressure instead of telegraphed dw burst.

I've played with both. Destro staff only gives a 2% damage increase over dual wield swords. I don't like mindlessly spamming crushing shock with light attacks. I empower all my frags and curses.

unless the tooltip doesnt show it (like it does for everything else) curse doesnt get empowered

Minalan · May 2017

Barbaran wrote: »

Hutch679 wrote: »

Irylia wrote: »

Draekony wrote: »

Thanks for posting this, was going to try it out. I only have 2x amberplasm rings, divine amberplasm shoulders, impen chest, impen amber legs, divine amber hat/shoes/waist.

Going to try out impen amber chest, impen amber legs, divine amber shoulders, x2 amber rings, then fill in the rest with shacklebreaker impen (with an infused hat and belt - didnt have trait for impen belt but got 2072 crit resistance without impen belt) with shackle breaker inferno/resto staves. hopefully wont be too bad cause farming amberplasm was so painful (really wanted the 3x purple jewelry lol)

cant wait to try it out on cp campaign.

after the cp setup i've got 36k magicka, 21k health, 13k stam, but 2016 spell dmg 56.7% crit dmg without any procs and brew on. all purple gear. spell power feels bit low tho. 1334 stamina recovery/2006 magicka recovery

Hutch679 wrote: »

Got my glyphs ready for morrowind to release on console. As well as all my mats to craft the 5 pieces I need and upgrade them. Let's you use the witches brew for max regen. I'll be running 5 shacklebreaker/ 4 (5 back bar lich)/ 3 willpower using dual wield. Beastly.

His amberplasm/ shacklebreaker build is for sure best in slot for using a staff.

that willpower build 2 posts above is interesting though, definitely got the 2 willpower swords and a lich resto staff, wonder which would be better. set this build up too and got 21.3k hp, 38.3k mana, 13.6k stamina 2369 sp and 53% crit with 2247 magicka recovery without lich proc with same CP as build above and 918 stam recovery. get more stam regen (400 more) with amberplasm/shacklebreaker tho. added aegis and degeneration to front bar and getting 42k mana with brew on.

decisions decisions, sorry if im derailing

With inferno passive for 8% more you will get more damage using destro build. Especially with vma spell damage and the 1 extra from shackle.

My spell damage reaches 3.3 that's using all spell damage glyphs. Vma destro. Shackle and Amber giving a spell piece each. And beserk enchant with major sorcery on it all. Shadow will then amplify that damage even further.

Destro allows you to proc frags easier. Get shock and light weaves in. Extra damage and constant pressure instead of telegraphed dw burst.

I've played with both. Destro staff only gives a 2% damage increase over dual wield swords. I don't like mindlessly spamming crushing shock with light attacks. I empower all my frags and curses.

unless the tooltip doesnt show it (like it does for everything else) curse doesnt get empowered

Correct, but you can empower DBoS on a dual wield.

Derra · May 2017

Move points out of ele defender and hardy and put them into ironclad and dotdmgreduction. Those offer general protection against magica + stamina while also scaling better (25% on direct + dot reduction vs 15% on physical + magical).

Edit: Imo getting more absolute dmg reduction far outweights the benefits of accessing unchained.

alakmir · May 2017

this ain't a solo pvp build, more like a group play burst build. Surviving morrowind while solo with this build is not possible.

Derra · May 2017

alakmir wrote: »

this ain't a solo pvp build, more like a group play burst build. Surviving morrowind while solo with this build is not possible.

The main issue i have with morrowind is that simply nothing dies.

Irylia · May 2017

alakmir wrote: »

this ain't a solo pvp build, more like a group play burst build. Surviving morrowind while solo with this build is not possible.

If I can use bsw lich shadow with less sustain and still solo then this will work just fine.

I use my builds for everything

Irylia · May 2017

Derra wrote: »

Move points out of ele defender and hardy and put them into ironclad and dotdmgreduction. Those offer general protection against magica + stamina while also scaling better (25% on direct + dot reduction vs 15% on physical + magical).

Edit: Imo getting more absolute dmg reduction far outweights the benefits of accessing unchained.

Had actually gone back over my cp after making this and swapped it around to get more mit.

It does give 5% More mit but unchained is nice if you run shuffle

Since that mitigates more than 5%

Derra · May 2017

Irylia wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Move points out of ele defender and hardy and put them into ironclad and dotdmgreduction. Those offer general protection against magica + stamina while also scaling better (25% on direct + dot reduction vs 15% on physical + magical).

Edit: Imo getting more absolute dmg reduction far outweights the benefits of accessing unchained.

Had actually gone back over my cp after making this and swapped it around to get more mit.

It does give 5% More mit but unchained is nice if you run shuffle

Since that mitigates more than 5%

Have you found your dmg to be sufficient so far?

I´m personally running 5 bloodthorn 5 lich + monster set (one cost reduction enchant) and even with kena 2p i struggle to kill the average shieldstacking zergsorc.
The dmg reduction this patch seems unreal and i don´t like it

- people just don´t die.

Irylia · May 2017

Derra wrote: »

Irylia wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Move points out of ele defender and hardy and put them into ironclad and dotdmgreduction. Those offer general protection against magica + stamina while also scaling better (25% on direct + dot reduction vs 15% on physical + magical).

Edit: Imo getting more absolute dmg reduction far outweights the benefits of accessing unchained.

Had actually gone back over my cp after making this and swapped it around to get more mit.

It does give 5% More mit but unchained is nice if you run shuffle

Since that mitigates more than 5%

Have you found your dmg to be sufficient so far?

I´m personally running 5 bloodthorn 5 lich + monster set (one cost reduction enchant) and even with kena 2p i struggle to kill the average shieldstacking zergsorc.
The dmg reduction this patch seems unreal and i don´t like it - people just don´t die.

3.3k buffed
Inferno 8%
Shadow 12%

More than enough
In no cp drop shadow for serpent if sustain is an issue

Draekony · May 2017

Derra wrote: »

Move points out of ele defender and hardy and put them into ironclad and dotdmgreduction. Those offer general protection against magica + stamina while also scaling better (25% on direct + dot reduction vs 15% on physical + magical).

Edit: Imo getting more absolute dmg reduction far outweights the benefits of accessing unchained.

so 66 thick skinned and 66 ironclad? (22% each)

Derra · May 2017

Irylia wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Irylia wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Move points out of ele defender and hardy and put them into ironclad and dotdmgreduction. Those offer general protection against magica + stamina while also scaling better (25% on direct + dot reduction vs 15% on physical + magical).

Edit: Imo getting more absolute dmg reduction far outweights the benefits of accessing unchained.

Had actually gone back over my cp after making this and swapped it around to get more mit.

It does give 5% More mit but unchained is nice if you run shuffle

Since that mitigates more than 5%

Have you found your dmg to be sufficient so far?

I´m personally running 5 bloodthorn 5 lich + monster set (one cost reduction enchant) and even with kena 2p i struggle to kill the average shieldstacking zergsorc.
The dmg reduction this patch seems unreal and i don´t like it - people just don´t die.

3.3k buffed
Inferno 8%
Shadow 12%

More than enough
In no cp drop shadow for serpent if sustain is an issue

Was having issues with 3.5k buffed with shadow ._.

literally can no longer break someone spamming shields.

frostbreeze · May 2017

Im using same gear since the release . If u wanna use this on bg i suggest getting atro mundus instead and dont use dark deal at all in there. For open world no cp i totally agree remove harness for dark deal. For cp i use different build which i find quite a bit stronger which is 5shackle-5alteration mastery 1 maelstorm . The reason its stronger with cp is u get 16% less costs in ur dodge and break free so u dont really need more than 1k stam reg. Nonetheless shackle+witchmother+ 3 prismatic will be sorc meta this patch.
Also use streak and destroy every stamina build outhere instead of useless bol

Testla · May 2017

frostbreeze wrote: »

Im using same gear since the release . If u wanna use this on bg i suggest getting atro mundus instead and dont use dark deal at all in there. For open world no cp i totally agree remove harness for dark deal. For cp i use different build which i find quite a bit stronger which is 5shackle-5alteration mastery 1 maelstorm . The reason its stronger with cp is u get 16% less costs in ur dodge and break free so u dont really need more than 1k stam reg. Nonetheless shackle+witchmother+ 3 prismatic will be sorc meta this patch.
Also use streak and destroy every stamina build outhere instead of useless bol

mind sharing few more details on shackle + alt ? such as jewel glyphs, mundus etc ?

also, how would you adapt shackle + alt for no cp bg ?

Thanks

Minalan · May 2017

Derra wrote: »

Irylia wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Move points out of ele defender and hardy and put them into ironclad and dotdmgreduction. Those offer general protection against magica + stamina while also scaling better (25% on direct + dot reduction vs 15% on physical + magical).

Edit: Imo getting more absolute dmg reduction far outweights the benefits of accessing unchained.

Had actually gone back over my cp after making this and swapped it around to get more mit.

It does give 5% More mit but unchained is nice if you run shuffle

Since that mitigates more than 5%

Have you found your dmg to be sufficient so far?

I´m personally running 5 bloodthorn 5 lich + monster set (one cost reduction enchant) and even with kena 2p i struggle to kill the average shieldstacking zergsorc.
The dmg reduction this patch seems unreal and i don´t like it - people just don´t die.

Can you switch out bloodthorn for something with more damage? You see, ZOS wants you to heavy attack for resources, rather than having infinite.

A low damage high regen build just isn't viable except in no-CP land (where they're arguably OP). I tried a Lich-Seducer build with similar results.

Lexxypwns · May 2017

Testla wrote: »

frostbreeze wrote: »

Im using same gear since the release . If u wanna use this on bg i suggest getting atro mundus instead and dont use dark deal at all in there. For open world no cp i totally agree remove harness for dark deal. For cp i use different build which i find quite a bit stronger which is 5shackle-5alteration mastery 1 maelstorm . The reason its stronger with cp is u get 16% less costs in ur dodge and break free so u dont really need more than 1k stam reg. Nonetheless shackle+witchmother+ 3 prismatic will be sorc meta this patch.
Also use streak and destroy every stamina build outhere instead of useless bol

mind sharing few more details on shackle + alt ? such as jewel glyphs, mundus etc ?

also, how would you adapt shackle + alt for no cp bg ?

Thanks

I think alteration mastery is BiS for no-CP. it reduces everything.

The math says that amber plasm is much more efficient than shackle, since you get more overall set bonuses worth of stats with amber you can recover the stamina into your build easier by dropping witchmothers

Magıc · May 2017

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Testla wrote: »

frostbreeze wrote: »

Im using same gear since the release . If u wanna use this on bg i suggest getting atro mundus instead and dont use dark deal at all in there. For open world no cp i totally agree remove harness for dark deal. For cp i use different build which i find quite a bit stronger which is 5shackle-5alteration mastery 1 maelstorm . The reason its stronger with cp is u get 16% less costs in ur dodge and break free so u dont really need more than 1k stam reg. Nonetheless shackle+witchmother+ 3 prismatic will be sorc meta this patch.
Also use streak and destroy every stamina build outhere instead of useless bol

mind sharing few more details on shackle + alt ? such as jewel glyphs, mundus etc ?

also, how would you adapt shackle + alt for no cp bg ?

Thanks

I think alteration mastery is BiS for no-CP. it reduces everything.

The math says that amber plasm is much more efficient than shackle, since you get more overall set bonuses worth of stats with amber you can recover the stamina into your build easier by dropping witchmothers

Whole point of shacklebreaker is it allows the use witchmothers lol

e: @Irylia Only problem I have with the way you setup the build (I'm running the same) is the full SD enchants on the jewellery. 3.2k streak cost, 2.3k force pulse cost are just disgusting. You think 1 reduce cost may be more beneficial or is the SD making that much of a difference?

Derra · May 2017

Minalan wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Irylia wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Move points out of ele defender and hardy and put them into ironclad and dotdmgreduction. Those offer general protection against magica + stamina while also scaling better (25% on direct + dot reduction vs 15% on physical + magical).

Edit: Imo getting more absolute dmg reduction far outweights the benefits of accessing unchained.

Had actually gone back over my cp after making this and swapped it around to get more mit.

It does give 5% More mit but unchained is nice if you run shuffle

Since that mitigates more than 5%

Have you found your dmg to be sufficient so far?

I´m personally running 5 bloodthorn 5 lich + monster set (one cost reduction enchant) and even with kena 2p i struggle to kill the average shieldstacking zergsorc.
The dmg reduction this patch seems unreal and i don´t like it - people just don´t die.

Can you switch out bloodthorn for something with more damage? You see, ZOS wants you to heavy attack for resources, rather than having infinite.

A low damage high regen build just isn't viable except in no-CP land (where they're arguably OP). I tried a Lich-Seducer build with similar results.

I´m using it with 2p kena active @3.6k spelldmg 40300 magica. I can still oneshot potatoes no questions asked.
But i can´t break shieldstackers anymore when they have the correct CP setup.

For me personally a setup relying on dark deal or/and without a monster set is not desireable.

frostbreeze · May 2017

Testla wrote: »

frostbreeze wrote: »

Im using same gear since the release . If u wanna use this on bg i suggest getting atro mundus instead and dont use dark deal at all in there. For open world no cp i totally agree remove harness for dark deal. For cp i use different build which i find quite a bit stronger which is 5shackle-5alteration mastery 1 maelstorm . The reason its stronger with cp is u get 16% less costs in ur dodge and break free so u dont really need more than 1k stam reg. Nonetheless shackle+witchmother+ 3 prismatic will be sorc meta this patch.
Also use streak and destroy every stamina build outhere instead of useless bol

mind sharing few more details on shackle + alt ? such as jewel glyphs, mundus etc ?

also, how would you adapt shackle + alt for no cp bg ?

Thanks

I forgot to clarify that in my amber shackle i use 2 reduce costs enchants and 1 spell damage. The reason being i dont use dark conversion at all in bg.
I tried shackle and alteration in bg too but stamina issues were big enough for me to drop it.I don tthink its worth it for no cp bg.However if u cant run amber its second best so what i would do is run serpent mundus with 1 spell damage enchant 1 reduce cost 1 mag reg.The reason behind this is reduce cost enchants are less efficient if u run sets that reduce cost since the % from gear detracts from the already reduced base cost from the enchant.Also ull get mag reg +stam reg to make up for the lack of amber while having almost same costs with sligthly worse regens.Should work good but wont be as optimal.
Now for cp pvp where alte/shackle is the best (imo) id use 2 spell damage 1 reduce cost with thief mundus
Finally if ure breton u dont have to run any reduce cost with alteration mastery and can replace them with spell damage.Frankly I dont get why ppl play breton istead of altmer for sorc but whatever! Hope this helped
EDIT: My personal opinion is that in any sorc build streak cost must be 2.8 or lower so i always build around that