Wifeaggro13 wrote: »

Not really this maybe a 25$ addition to the game . Bigger then a dlc but no where near being called an expansion. Its basically wrotjgar witj a trial a class and some battle grounds that should have been a launch pvp feature. But glad your enjoying it

@Wifeaggro13 Battlegrounds 'should' have been here since launch? Is the base game not worth every cent already?

I'm excited on hearing all the positive feedback so far! Hopefully I'll be able to purchase it soon!

No, I don't think the OP is in the wrong here. If you ignore the nerfs they've tied to this expansion, I think they've done some amazing work. Its unfortunate they tied that mess to this. I even like the digital upgrade pricing (the only of the options given I do). I have no TESIII experience. I did buy it some time back when ESO first enthralled me but haven't played it so its all new in every sense to me. Everything is so well done down to the music and look of a completely different culture than what we've seen. I expected just a replicated mainland Morrowind not this.

And a couple of quests have really got to me like the old guy in Balmora who's estranged from his children. Even though I knew where we were going, I teared up because me and my dad had that similar relationship years ago. Naryu has become one of the memorable characters for me and I've only ran into her once in Deshaan so this is the most I've spent with her. The subtle yet present distaste for all things non-Dunmer from many of the npcs. All in all, I think the developers should be extremely proud of themselves for this accomplishment.

Its the guys that tied this patch to it that should get a stern talking to because I think a lot of resentment is being thrown at it due to that Morrowind patch. You aren't ever going to divorce the two now which is a shame because the story people don't deserve that sort of response.

I honestly don't really care about the worth or not worth of the DLC. I didn't buy it simply because I don't think its worth the 40-50 dollar price. I am NOT saying its a bad DLC....its not terrible, and its not great, but its a good addon for ESO.

My issue is with the sub change (which i no longer sub either, but i still play)

ZOS Gave IC and Orsinium(Both which were expansions) as part of ESO Plus...Firor is even on record with MMORPG.com in an interview saying that ESO Plus would always include all future content.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/153207/mmorpg-article-with-matt-firor-leaves-this-subscriber-feeling-pointless-and-not-worth-anything/p1

MMORPG.com: While being an ESO Plus member, we’ll have access to all the DLC content that is released for free. Does this include any future expansions should ESO ever have them?
A: When you are a Plus member, you get access to all the DLC that is available when you are a member. So over time you’ll get access to more and more areas by being a member.

Its important to note that the time of the interview(2015 Tamriel Unlimited Launch), everything was DLC..if IC and Orsinium came out this year they would be charging you for them just like they have with Morrowind because they changed their "Content Cadence" which is double speak for payment model"

See the problem here is Morrowind IS a DLC...See Steam Screenshot Below, Which is why they changed ESO Plus to only include "Crown Store DLC" Thus withholding it from the Crown Store= they can charge for it.



I'd be far more concerned with ZOS changing the ESO Plus contract that now gives them "Carte Blanche" authority to charge for any piece of content they want....you will be lucky now if anything outside of small dungeon packs are included in your ESO Plus sub(I wouldn't count on even dungeon packs being included) This is why they are doubling bank space for subscribers, because your sub is going to give you only access to Craft Bag, double bank space, and XP gain...every onece in awhile they may put a dungeon pack DLC in the Crown store, but the rest of the stuff(even Thive's Guild sized content) you will ahve to pay for, it won't be put on the Crown Store.....all they have to do is not include it in the Crown Store and they can charge you for it because you agreed to the terms when they changed it....

I'd be far more concerned with that then I would about Morrowind as a DLC.

with that out of the way, please carry on!

Balamoor wrote: »

Jollygoodusername wrote: »

Seems incredible, cannot wait till they admit it's a DLC and drop it into the ESO+ subs..

Will never, ever happen, from what I have heard pre orders were huge and ZoS is already fleshing out it's next paid Expansion after the next two DLC's.

It's a brilliant business model because it works so well.

If Morrowwind is doing well, it's because it plays on people's nostalgia for the original game. Like crown crates, as long as people will line up to get screwed, their business model will only get worse.

Belidos wrote: »

Is there any way to get back he old music?

Sit it out. Do exactly that. Once the choir part and some more music is over, you'll get a surprise, especially if you've played TES games for 15 years or so.

RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »

See the problem here is Morrowind IS a DLC...See Steam Screenshot Below, Which is why they changed ESO Plus to only include "Crown Store DLC" Thus withholding it from the Crown Store= they can charge for it.

[...]

I'd be far more concerned with that then I would about Morrowind as a DLC.

Well, no, those arguments won't work. Correct, Steam labels the Morrowind Upgrade as DLC, but that's simply due to the fact that it's Steam terminology and Zenimax has absolutely no influence on how this is called on that storefront. Switch to the German version, if you want. ESO Plus promised us all existing and future "DLC-Erweiterungspaket" for free and we indeed do. The Morrowind Upgrade on Steam? It's "herunterladbarer Inhalt". That's something completely different.

Disagree? Sure you can and I'd agree with you disagreeing. But that's the same here: Just Steam terminology outside ESO's control.

Overall, I wouldn't have minded just getting Morrowind as another free DLC. I've been a subscriber since day one and I'll continue being so (actually got billed again today). I just play and enjoy the game as the classic pay to play experience it started with and I'm used to. 15 years ago MMORPGs used to have 10-15$ subscription fees and a 40$ expansion once a year. ESO offers essentially the same for less money (thanks to inflation) while offering more/better content (fully voice acted, animations, etc.). I'm fine with that.

"Basically we did not include sheogorath cause frankly we had a really lot of territory to do and it was beyond our capabilities at the time to do , we really love to come back to it at some point it might happen you never know" Pretty much what the lead zone dev said. They couldnt really add in the rest of vvardenfell in a expac that is all about it.

*tap, tap, tap* (that's my foot) just waiting here at my front door for the box to arrive so I can dive back into Morrowind. I have current characters primed, I made a slot for a new character, I replaced my dead controller (thank goodness it didn't die during combat), polished the Xbox, got a new cushions for the sofa, set up a clean snack and drink table, and it still isn't June 6 yet. *sigh*

FlyLionel wrote: »

Wifeaggro13 wrote: »

Not really this maybe a 25$ addition to the game . Bigger then a dlc but no where near being called an expansion. Its basically wrotjgar witj a trial a class and some battle grounds that should have been a launch pvp feature. But glad your enjoying it

@Wifeaggro13 Battlegrounds 'should' have been here since launch? Is the base game not worth every cent already?

Not at its launch no. It was missing several things at launch that were supposed to be launch features. Both tg and db were supposed to be launch guilds or released with in 6 months post launch.now im not syaing zos promised battle grounds as a feature matter o fact tjey were adamant against small scale pvp features wanting to focus on more additions to cyro dil. Just so were clear. But no Eso was a very thin game at launch missing quite a few things that smaller budget games were able to release with. IMO Zos is just pumping out easy bake content with lack of depth or longevity for fast money . Morrowind is no exception its very very shallow for 40 bucks primarily single player content with a medicore increase to an already broken AA system

Smaxx wrote: »

Belidos wrote: »

Is there any way to get back he old music?

Sit it out. Do exactly that. Once the choir part and some more music is over, you'll get a surprise, especially if you've played TES games for 15 years or so.

RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »

See the problem here is Morrowind IS a DLC...See Steam Screenshot Below, Which is why they changed ESO Plus to only include "Crown Store DLC" Thus withholding it from the Crown Store= they can charge for it.

[...]

I'd be far more concerned with that then I would about Morrowind as a DLC.

Well, no, those arguments won't work. Correct, Steam labels the Morrowind Upgrade as DLC, but that's simply due to the fact that it's Steam terminology and Zenimax has absolutely no influence on how this is called on that storefront. Switch to the German version, if you want. ESO Plus promised us all existing and future "DLC-Erweiterungspaket" for free and we indeed do. The Morrowind Upgrade on Steam? It's "herunterladbarer Inhalt". That's something completely different.

Disagree? Sure you can and I'd agree with you disagreeing. But that's the same here: Just Steam terminology outside ESO's control.

Overall, I wouldn't have minded just getting Morrowind as another free DLC. I've been a subscriber since day one and I'll continue being so (actually got billed again today). I just play and enjoy the game as the classic pay to play experience it started with and I'm used to. 15 years ago MMORPGs used to have 10-15$ subscription fees and a 40$ expansion once a year. ESO offers essentially the same for less money (thanks to inflation) while offering more/better content (fully voice acted, animations, etc.). I'm fine with that.

You are saying that ZoS can't help what Steam does, but that's irrelevant.

Unethical corporations sometimes try to label an activity or object as something it's not when it's to their benefit. For example, labeling illegal gambling as a sweepstakes. It is obvious that if courts accepted labels at face value, they would reach the wrong decision. So it should come as no surprise that they look past the label used by a company and see what the underlying thing really is. It's an easy task when that thing is described by a term of art (a well known definition in the applicable industry).

Those corporations usually take a stab at relabeling an old term anyway because doing so often effectively rewrites the average customer memory over time. Especially in the video game industry where turnover in the player base is fairly high.

Steam is using the term of art "DLC" as it has long been understood by software companies.

ZoS attempted to redefine the term to it's advantage. When that failed, they started differentiating 'Crown Store DLC's' from other forms of DLCs in the subscriber benefits description. They did so silently, ostensibly with the hope that the old description would go gently into that good night. Rinaldo and others like him are essentially fighting the rewrite of history on this forum.

As pve, eso stays one of the best. Morrowind is an excellent expansion.

About the new class I'm all meh ... I was hoping for a good tanking experience with the warden ... so far I'm sad.

About the new battlegrounds, they should just delete this failed feature. ESO is about pve. Remember where it started and how.

Browiseth wrote: »

QuebraRegra wrote: »

Browiseth wrote: »

TES:III is a bad game

forgive my language issues, but this is a joke right?

@QuebraRegra no, it isn't

but i understand if that wasn't clear to you. in my experience TES:III fans tend to expect their adoration of the game just being echoed back at them and can't really comprehend a differing opinion, so i won't hold it against you

wait.. yer saying MORROWIND was a "bad game"? Just so we're clear when you say TES II, you mean the original MORROWIND?

If that's the case, I'll have to dismiss all of your opinions in the future.

Like the curiosity one has for smell spoiled milk in the container... what exactly made TES III a "bad" game? This is for amusement purposes you understand?