Separate BG's.

Takllin · May 2017

10-49 and CP.

I can only join so many teams full of levels 10 or cp 50's who contribute nothing to the match. There needs to be a learning BG queue to go into. Not trying to be rude or mean, it's just a fact.

MissBizz · May 2017

Takllin wrote: »

10-49 and CP.

I can only join so many teams full of levels 10 or cp 50's who contribute nothing to the match. There needs to be a learning BG queue to go into. Not trying to be rude or mean, it's just a fact.

Or a "I don't PvP ever and suck" queue. Seriously, I think how many wins you get, or medals or something should be taken into account. So that more experienced BG players fight against other experienced players.

I'm on the other side of the fence as you OP, I would be that teammate that contributed very little, and it's not fun for me either having no chance.

I really enjoy battlegrounds, but being thrown into matches I have no chance of competing in isn't super fun.

Wrecking_Blow_Spam · May 2017

I'm loooking forward to slaughtering some noobs when this gets released on console

idk · May 2017

Especially with BGs there should be, at the very least, a lvl 50 campaign where no players can enter if they are not earning CP on that character.

Takllin · May 2017

MissBizz wrote: »

Takllin wrote: »

10-49 and CP.

I can only join so many teams full of levels 10 or cp 50's who contribute nothing to the match. There needs to be a learning BG queue to go into. Not trying to be rude or mean, it's just a fact.

Or a "I don't PvP ever and suck" queue. Seriously, I think how many wins you get, or medals or something should be taken into account. So that more experienced BG players fight against other experienced players.

I'm on the other side of the fence as you OP, I would be that teammate that contributed very little, and it's not fun for me either having no chance.

I really enjoy battlegrounds, but being thrown into matches I have no chance of competing in isn't super fun.

Yeah it's not a good learning environment. I've had a few people leave my BG's because "it was too intense" and such like that.

Rohamad_Ali · May 2017

That will drain the fun fast . I think we gave ZoS ample feedback during testing about pre made groups wiping pick up players . That will happen at every level because PvP'ers will make low level groups too with maxed gear sets for that level . They did on BWB . They had no way to differentiate good and new players during testing .

As much as cp doesn't matter in those they do show who has played more .

MissBizz · May 2017

Takllin wrote: »

MissBizz wrote: »

Takllin wrote: »

10-49 and CP.

I can only join so many teams full of levels 10 or cp 50's who contribute nothing to the match. There needs to be a learning BG queue to go into. Not trying to be rude or mean, it's just a fact.

Or a "I don't PvP ever and suck" queue. Seriously, I think how many wins you get, or medals or something should be taken into account. So that more experienced BG players fight against other experienced players.

I'm on the other side of the fence as you OP, I would be that teammate that contributed very little, and it's not fun for me either having no chance.

I really enjoy battlegrounds, but being thrown into matches I have no chance of competing in isn't super fun.

Yeah it's not a good learning environment. I've had a few people leave my BG's because "it was too intense" and such like that.

Yeah, I played over the weekend (pts) with the likes of Jules, krotha, Kevduit and more were playing. I got wrecked. Wrecked. Sure, I had a template character and all that, but even if I had my character so would have they.. and... I still would get wrecked. We actually teamed up and tried to focus Jules down one night and couldn't

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

That will drain the fun fast . I think we gave ZoS ample feedback during testing about pre made groups wiping pick up players . That will happen at every level because PvP'ers will make low level groups too with maxed gear sets for that level . They did on BWB . They had no way to differentiate good and new players during testing .

As much as cp doesn't matter in those they do show who has played more .

Account wide ranking based on criteria such as win/loss ratio and kill/death ratio.

Wreuntzylla · May 2017

MissBizz wrote: »

Takllin wrote: »

10-49 and CP.

I can only join so many teams full of levels 10 or cp 50's who contribute nothing to the match. There needs to be a learning BG queue to go into. Not trying to be rude or mean, it's just a fact.

Or a "I don't PvP ever and suck" queue. Seriously, I think how many wins you get, or medals or something should be taken into account. So that more experienced BG players fight against other experienced players.

I'm on the other side of the fence as you OP, I would be that teammate that contributed very little, and it's not fun for me either having no chance.

I really enjoy battlegrounds, but being thrown into matches I have no chance of competing in isn't super fun.

Warhammer eventually implemented a matching scheme and it worked during prime time. In any event, there are 10x pugs to every premade, so you shouldn't be completely dominated every match.

Well, at least after the new shine wears off and most PvPers head back to Cyrodiil.

Yolokin_Swagonborn · May 2017

NO CP Battlegrounds.

The only good thing to come out of this patch is that ZOS realized how much cancer CP is for PvP. If they only realized the other problem was removal of softcaps and they had fixed attribute damage scaling then we wouldn't need all the class nerfs but I'm glad CP has been shown to be the garbage crutch that it is.

IwakuraLain42 · May 2017

MissBizz wrote: »

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

That will drain the fun fast . I think we gave ZoS ample feedback during testing about pre made groups wiping pick up players . That will happen at every level because PvP'ers will make low level groups too with maxed gear sets for that level . They did on BWB . They had no way to differentiate good and new players during testing .

As much as cp doesn't matter in those they do show who has played more .

Account wide ranking based on criteria such as win/loss ratio and kill/death ratio.

That's absolutely necessary for BG's to have any chance to survive the first few weeks. I think ZOS really does not understand the effect the skill levels (and gear level) has on PvP play. If normal players regularly get stomped by PvP pro's they will fast stop playing them. I'm really surprised that that didn't added any kind of ranked playlists here ....

Mayrael · May 2017

Personaly I think that premade groups should fight only against other premades. No easy wins. Premade vs Pug is a slaughter house, I know it from other mmos... Slaughtering pugs is boring because as soon as they realise that they have no chance they quit, and is very frustrating for them.

Yasha · May 2017

Premades against pugs, massive gear gaps, no ranking system or separation of casual/ranked matches, a system that makes the strong (well geared) stronger and therefore the weak (undergeared) comparatively even weaker: I've seen these same mistakes in so many mmos, and ESO has particularly large gear gaps. Why is GW/GW2 the only mmos that even try in terms of BGS?

Sharee · May 2017

"If you let level 10's into the battlegrounds, make sure you'll have them fight other level 10's, otherwise you will cause some massive frustration"

- that was pretty much my only beta feedback(sorry ZOS

).

Feanor · May 2017

Just implement ranking and matchmaking based on ELO or Glicko2 (which is based on ELO). It was suggested before. ZOS just thought matchmaking wasn't a priority or they couldn't get it coded. Don't know which would be the more sad thing.

cazlonb16_ESO · May 2017

Yasha wrote: »

Premades against pugs, massive gear gaps, no ranking system or separation of casual/ranked matches, a system that makes the strong (well geared) stronger and therefore the weak (undergeared) comparatively even weaker: I've seen these same mistakes in so many mmos, and ESO has particularly large gear gaps. Why is GW/GW2 the only mmos that even try in terms of BGS?

In GW2 it is an entirely separate game mode ( or was when i last played anyway ). There are a lot of reasons why people didn't like that.

Other MMOs have employed less radical approaches though. In theory at least the model used by SWtoR seems sound enough. Separated in max lvl/non-max lvl, ranked/non-ranked and ranked in solo(aka pug) and group. There is also a bolster mechanic attempting to lessen the impact of gear.

Although I don't have exact numbers my educated guess is that ESO has quite a few more active players than SWtoR, so population shouldn't prevent something similar being introduced.

With the current mode battlegrounds will be largely empty within weeks, only a handful of premades duking it out against each other and the occasional straggler being slaughtered over and over to never return.

Bonzodog01 · May 2017

Wrecking_Blow_Spam wrote: »

I'm loooking forward to slaughtering some noobs when this gets released on console

PvP? on XBox EU? yeeeah, good luck with that. You'll sit there queuing for like 30 mins, no-one will join, and you'll quit out.

PvP has almost completely died on XBox EU. The server itself only has any real life in it at peak times, aside from that, you can wander around tamriel and see maybe only the odd person here and there.

Feanor · May 2017

Bonzodog01 wrote: »

Wrecking_Blow_Spam wrote: »

I'm loooking forward to slaughtering some noobs when this gets released on console

PvP? on XBox EU? yeeeah, good luck with that. You'll sit there queuing for like 30 mins, no-one will join, and you'll quit out.

PvP has almost completely died on XBox EU. The server itself only has any real life in it at peak times, aside from that, you can wander around tamriel and see maybe only the odd person here and there.

That's what leaving content broken for 3+ months will do.

vyndral13preub18_ESO · May 2017

Honestly it would not surprise me if they wanted to install some sort of ranking/matching system. But they are probably afraid. At times they can barely get the group finder to match people at all. Adding more to it seems like something beyond what they might actually be able to accomplish.

Magdalina · May 2017

Wait...there's no <lvl 50 version? Wth were they on when designing this?o_O That's absurd.