Morrowind Nightbalde Megathread. Updates on Siphoning Strikes and no change grim Focus.

CavalryPK · May 2017

Siphoning Strikes:

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Here are the changes for Siphoning Strikes, and we'll update the patch notes to reflect:
Recasting this ability or its morphs early will now always trigger the ending resource restore. The value of this restore is based on the length of time the abilities were active, similar to Rally's heal.

Each Light or Heavy Attack from this ability or its morphs will now restore less resources, but the final burst at the end will restore more resources. The total resources restored by this ability will remain roughly the same.

Need good Tamreialians to test out the Siphoning Strikes and see how is it working both pvp and pve.

Grim Focus:

Looks like Grim focus was not changed from the latest pts. (EDIT 1 ) You have to do 5 light attack to proc your spectral bow, but you do not have to refresh the buff to fire bow again.

Overall, in my personal opinion nightblades has become even more complex class to play. I expect to see even less nightblades in PVP and more nightblades in PVE.

Arrchangell · May 2017

Tbh with the change to caltrops now so little harder rotation and the grim focus, i'm really bad with it right now. Also i think siphonin got a little buff i think? I think the return at the end was liek 2k stamina/magicka but now it says 4,2k but my skill is still at lvl 1 though.

Strider_Roshin · May 2017

Can someone post a screenshot of the new Leeching strikes?

leepalmer95 · May 2017

So leeching strikes is basically like a sustain rally?

GreenSoup2HoT · May 2017

leepalmer95 wrote: »

So leeching strikes is basically like a sustain rally?

Yes. Except for the light/heavy attacking part.

leepalmer95 · May 2017

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

So leeching strikes is basically like a sustain rally?

Yes. Except for the light/heavy attacking part.

The light/ heavy basically replaces the natural rally healing ticks xD7

Not sure how i feel about this yet.

altemriel · May 2017

wait, the Grim focus change from the PTS was not implemented into Live servers??

why that??

@ZOS_GinaBruno @Wrobel @ZOS_RichLambert

bubbygink · May 2017

So can somebody confirm siphoning attacks / leeching strikes works like rally now? As in if you recast it like one second before it expires on its own you still get some resources back instead of getting nothing like before? Would love to see the values too!

Sabbathius · May 2017

I'm inclined to agree with the general assessment. Lately I've been feeling like whoever is in charge of balancing is very myopic. They see one change, and have enough foresight to often compensate for that change in some other way, but are unfortunately unable to see one step beyond, at what THAT change will cause. Unable to see the big picture.

As it applies to Grim Focus specifically, it took them since Dec '14 when they replaced Haste with it, to finally realize that as long as buff is active, procs should still happen. So they fixed it by allowing multiple procs. Took long enough, but better late than never. But then they decided this needed to be compensated for, so they changed the number of attacks to 5 (and nerfed the snare, but that's another issue). Problem is, they don't see that in a big picture they just nerfed burst AND made the rotation even more awkward than it was before. Worse, BOTH these changes are no change in PvP most of the time, because you don't fire it on-proc, you wait until your burst lines up and your opponent can't easily counter. Which means most times you still refresh when you fire the proc. Which means for a PvPer this is a straight-up nerf. But they didn't notice, because all they saw was the change to multiple procs and compensation for it. Like I said, too myopic to see beyond the basics.

Violynne · May 2017

leepalmer95 wrote: »

So leeching strikes is basically like a sustain rally?

Indeed.

Because taking a 12k+ beating while trying to siphon trickles of health/magicka/stamina = "balance".

If I wanted to stand around all day and siphon health, I would have played a healer.

CavalryPK · May 2017

@ZOS_RichLambert . @Wrobel . I need to know if any one of you actually plays or has ever played a magblade ?

Rikumaru · May 2017

Minor magicka steal is a far superior buff than siphoning strikes with these changes and in PvP grim focus just got a nerf. So, the weakest PvP class open world, magicka nightblade just got weaker? Sorcs barely got touched, DKs had both nerfs and buffs and templars seemed to have got shafted just as hard as nightblades have. To be honest I don't know what will be rarer, stamplars or magicka nightblades in PvP.

leepalmer95 · May 2017

Rikumaru wrote: »

Minor magicka steal is a far superior buff than siphoning strikes with these changes and in PvP grim focus just got a nerf. So, the weakest PvP class open world, magicka nightblade just got weaker? Sorcs barely got touched, DKs had both nerfs and buffs and templars seemed to have got shafted just as hard as nightblades have. To be honest I don't know what will be rarer, stamplars or magicka nightblades in PvP.

But magicka steal requires you to hit them and can be purged.

This can basically add up to a instant dark deal when left for a bit combined with resource returns on light/heavy's.

In Pve the sustain is mean't to be the same, i'm pvp i'd say you get overall more sustain.

Dottzgaming · May 2017

CavalryPK wrote: »

Siphoning Strikes:

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Here are the changes for Siphoning Strikes, and we'll update the patch notes to reflect:
Recasting this ability or its morphs early will now always trigger the ending resource restore. The value of this restore is based on the length of time the abilities were active, similar to Rally's heal.

Each Light or Heavy Attack from this ability or its morphs will now restore less resources, but the final burst at the end will restore more resources. The total resources restored by this ability will remain roughly the same.

Need good Tamreialians to test out the Siphoning Strikes and see how is it working both pvp and pve.

Grim Focus:

Looks like Grim focus was not changed from the latest pts. (EDIT 1 ) You have to do 5 light attack to proc your spectral bow, but you do not have to refresh the buff to fire bow again.

Overall, in my personal opinion nightblades has become even more complex class to play. I expect to see even less nightblades in PVP and more nightblades in PVE.

Agree with this assessment. Currently most of our good builds revolve around Assassins will which just got harder to proc.

but im most interested in the Siphoning Strikes change. anyone think its worth slotting for PvP?

rhapsodious · May 2017

Dottzgaming wrote: »

CavalryPK wrote: »

Siphoning Strikes:

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Here are the changes for Siphoning Strikes, and we'll update the patch notes to reflect:
Recasting this ability or its morphs early will now always trigger the ending resource restore. The value of this restore is based on the length of time the abilities were active, similar to Rally's heal.

Each Light or Heavy Attack from this ability or its morphs will now restore less resources, but the final burst at the end will restore more resources. The total resources restored by this ability will remain roughly the same.

Need good Tamreialians to test out the Siphoning Strikes and see how is it working both pvp and pve.

Grim Focus:

Looks like Grim focus was not changed from the latest pts. (EDIT 1 ) You have to do 5 light attack to proc your spectral bow, but you do not have to refresh the buff to fire bow again.

Overall, in my personal opinion nightblades has become even more complex class to play. I expect to see even less nightblades in PVP and more nightblades in PVE.

Agree with this assessment. Currently most of our good builds revolve around Assassins will which just got harder to proc.

but im most interested in the Siphoning Strikes change. anyone think its worth slotting?

Magicka Flood passive? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Dottzgaming · May 2017

rhapsodious wrote: »

Dottzgaming wrote: »

CavalryPK wrote: »

Siphoning Strikes:

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Here are the changes for Siphoning Strikes, and we'll update the patch notes to reflect:
Recasting this ability or its morphs early will now always trigger the ending resource restore. The value of this restore is based on the length of time the abilities were active, similar to Rally's heal.

Each Light or Heavy Attack from this ability or its morphs will now restore less resources, but the final burst at the end will restore more resources. The total resources restored by this ability will remain roughly the same.

Need good Tamreialians to test out the Siphoning Strikes and see how is it working both pvp and pve.

Grim Focus:

Looks like Grim focus was not changed from the latest pts. (EDIT 1 ) You have to do 5 light attack to proc your spectral bow, but you do not have to refresh the buff to fire bow again.

Overall, in my personal opinion nightblades has become even more complex class to play. I expect to see even less nightblades in PVP and more nightblades in PVE.

Agree with this assessment. Currently most of our good builds revolve around Assassins will which just got harder to proc.

but im most interested in the Siphoning Strikes change. anyone think its worth slotting for PvP?

Magicka Flood passive? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

feelssustainedman

altemriel · May 2017

Dottzgaming wrote: »

CavalryPK wrote: »

Siphoning Strikes:

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Here are the changes for Siphoning Strikes, and we'll update the patch notes to reflect:
Recasting this ability or its morphs early will now always trigger the ending resource restore. The value of this restore is based on the length of time the abilities were active, similar to Rally's heal.

Each Light or Heavy Attack from this ability or its morphs will now restore less resources, but the final burst at the end will restore more resources. The total resources restored by this ability will remain roughly the same.

Need good Tamreialians to test out the Siphoning Strikes and see how is it working both pvp and pve.

Grim Focus:

Looks like Grim focus was not changed from the latest pts. (EDIT 1 ) You have to do 5 light attack to proc your spectral bow, but you do not have to refresh the buff to fire bow again.

Overall, in my personal opinion nightblades has become even more complex class to play. I expect to see even less nightblades in PVP and more nightblades in PVE.

Agree with this assessment. Currently most of our good builds revolve around Assassins will which just got harder to proc.

but im most interested in the Siphoning Strikes change. anyone think its worth slotting for PvP?

well if you only have to do one light attack more, but do not need to re-cast the skill to activate the bow, that is pretty good in my opinion, you do not have to care about the timing to re-cast the skill, you just focus on other part of your rotation and grim focus casts itself alone, awesome imho

gonna go try it now

burglar · May 2017

Rikumaru wrote: »

Minor magicka steal is a far superior buff than siphoning strikes with these changes and in PvP grim focus just got a nerf. So, the weakest PvP class open world, magicka nightblade just got weaker? Sorcs barely got touched, DKs had both nerfs and buffs and templars seemed to have got shafted just as hard as nightblades have. To be honest I don't know what will be rarer, stamplars or magicka nightblades in PvP.

Yeah, we got hit hard, again. As a melee magicka nightblade main I've been pretty frustrated by the past few changes to the class as a whole; the build I play seems to be completely borked. Everything I rely on to do decent damage is basically gone.

They changed the stygian 5pc spell damage/max magicka to just 20% spell damage, so I will have to use clever alchemist to reach the 4k spell damage for my burst... but I will only have the buff for one combo, and if anything goes wrong I will have to wait for the potion cool down to try again. Given that things often go wrong, and I'm usually out of stamina within seconds of a fight starting, I will have to be very careful about when I use my potions - do I use them for stamina/dodge rolling or bursting the enemy? The nerf to major evasion makes shuffle and double take unappealing alternatives to dodge roll, so maybe use elusive mist to dodge attacks? My only alternative is to use leeching strikes, but there's no significant resource return until the buff ends after 20 seconds. I guess I could exclusively use heavy attacks with my swords to regain stamina.

But, now I wonder if the reduced damage increase from champion points means my burst won't work anymore.

All I can think to do is to switch my focus to stacking healing reduction, using poisons and spamming healing ward to stay alive while I slowly run out of resources while someone incrementally kills me with their proc set. Or maybe just dropping magicka nightblade altogether; I don't see how we can really do any significant damage in pvp. Even with my old set up, and hitting 4800 spell damage (5200 with weapon proc) my burst combo (cloak > ult > inner light> cloak > assassins will > concealed weapon) would only kill people 50% of the time. I don't know, there's gotta be some build out there worth using for a melee magblade.

Dottzgaming · May 2017

altemriel wrote: »

Dottzgaming wrote: »

CavalryPK wrote: »

Siphoning Strikes:

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Here are the changes for Siphoning Strikes, and we'll update the patch notes to reflect:
Recasting this ability or its morphs early will now always trigger the ending resource restore. The value of this restore is based on the length of time the abilities were active, similar to Rally's heal.

Each Light or Heavy Attack from this ability or its morphs will now restore less resources, but the final burst at the end will restore more resources. The total resources restored by this ability will remain roughly the same.

Need good Tamreialians to test out the Siphoning Strikes and see how is it working both pvp and pve.

Grim Focus:

Looks like Grim focus was not changed from the latest pts. (EDIT 1 ) You have to do 5 light attack to proc your spectral bow, but you do not have to refresh the buff to fire bow again.

Overall, in my personal opinion nightblades has become even more complex class to play. I expect to see even less nightblades in PVP and more nightblades in PVE.

Agree with this assessment. Currently most of our good builds revolve around Assassins will which just got harder to proc.

but im most interested in the Siphoning Strikes change. anyone think its worth slotting for PvP?

well if you only have to do one light attack more, but do not need to re-cast the skill to activate the bow, that is pretty good in my opinion, you do not have to care about the timing to re-cast the skill, you just focus on other part of your rotation and grim focus casts itself alone, awesome imho

gonna go try it now

yeah thats true i understand that logic
im mainly concerned with the siphoning strikes changes. i pruned it from my projected morrowind build because of how it was on an earlier iteration of the PTS, but im wondering if with the reduced cost and burst of resources we get at the end if itll be worth it for pvp purposes

altemriel · May 2017

ProbablePaul wrote: »

Rikumaru wrote: »

Minor magicka steal is a far superior buff than siphoning strikes with these changes and in PvP grim focus just got a nerf. So, the weakest PvP class open world, magicka nightblade just got weaker? Sorcs barely got touched, DKs had both nerfs and buffs and templars seemed to have got shafted just as hard as nightblades have. To be honest I don't know what will be rarer, stamplars or magicka nightblades in PvP.

Yeah, we got hit hard, again. As a melee magicka nightblade main I've been pretty frustrated by the past few changes to the class as a whole; the build I play seems to be completely borked. Everything I rely on to do decent damage is basically gone.

They changed the stygian 5pc spell damage/max magicka to just 20% spell damage, so I will have to use clever alchemist to reach the 4k spell damage for my burst... but I will only have the buff for one combo, and if anything goes wrong I will have to wait for the potion cool down to try again. Given that things often go wrong, and I'm usually out of stamina within seconds of a fight starting, I will have to be very careful about when I use my potions - do I use them for stamina/dodge rolling or bursting the enemy? The nerf to major evasion makes shuffle and double take unappealing alternatives to dodge roll, so maybe use elusive mist to dodge attacks? My only alternative is to use leeching strikes, but there's no significant resource return until the buff ends after 20 seconds. I guess I could exclusively use heavy attacks with my swords to regain stamina.

But, now I wonder if the reduced damage increase from champion points means my burst won't work anymore.

All I can think to do is to switch my focus to stacking healing reduction, using poisons and spamming healing ward to stay alive while I slowly run out of resources while someone incrementally kills me with their proc set. Or maybe just dropping magicka nightblade altogether; I don't see how we can really do any significant damage in pvp. Even with my old set up, and hitting 4800 spell damage (5200 with weapon proc) my burst combo (cloak > ult > inner light> cloak > assassins will > concealed weapon) would only kill people 50% of the time. I don't know, there's gotta be some build out there worth using for a melee magblade.

Wow, that does not look good. This one is sorry for that. This one is also a nightblade, magicka, master vampire, this one is mostly in peaceful countries of Tamriel, not in Cyrodiil or Imperial City so often, but goes well. This one` spells are maybe 2800 spells strong with buff (no spellpower potion yet, my comrade redguard, she is an alchemist too, apart from being a fighter and crafter

), she can do these potions for this one, but has not yet).
And this one hits critically like maybe 45% of time.
This one got her 5 Julianos set pieces and 5 Burning Spellweave pieces, 1 Molag Kena piece. The build is in progress ofc. Searching for willpower 3 pieces (randomly walking into Undaunted Pledges). Then this one can have full 2 pieces of any Monster set

.

This one is not strong enought to go to trials or dlc dungeons to get the better sets now.

This one is looking forward to that moment, she acquires all this. Slowly by slowly, this one will get this.
The same as the Hunding's Palatial Hall for Tamriel`s gold.

http://i.imgur.com/v3A8lKg.jpg

With determined but relaxed fur
Maoimii

Rikkof · May 2017

Rikumaru wrote: »

Minor magicka steal is a far superior buff than siphoning strikes with these changes and in PvP grim focus just got a nerf. So, the weakest PvP class open world, magicka nightblade just got weaker? Sorcs barely got touched, DKs had both nerfs and buffs and templars seemed to have got shafted just as hard as nightblades have. To be honest I don't know what will be rarer, stamplars or magicka nightblades in PvP.

you cant one shot anymore?
is good, imo, one shot from stealth =- bad gameplay

casparian · May 2017

Rikkof wrote: »

Rikumaru wrote: »

Minor magicka steal is a far superior buff than siphoning strikes with these changes and in PvP grim focus just got a nerf. So, the weakest PvP class open world, magicka nightblade just got weaker? Sorcs barely got touched, DKs had both nerfs and buffs and templars seemed to have got shafted just as hard as nightblades have. To be honest I don't know what will be rarer, stamplars or magicka nightblades in PvP.

you cant one shot anymore?
is good, imo, one shot from stealth =- bad gameplay

What are you talking about? You realize you're in a thread about magicka nightblades, right?

Rikumaru · May 2017

Rikkof wrote: »

Rikumaru wrote: »

Minor magicka steal is a far superior buff than siphoning strikes with these changes and in PvP grim focus just got a nerf. So, the weakest PvP class open world, magicka nightblade just got weaker? Sorcs barely got touched, DKs had both nerfs and buffs and templars seemed to have got shafted just as hard as nightblades have. To be honest I don't know what will be rarer, stamplars or magicka nightblades in PvP.

you cant one shot anymore?
is good, imo, one shot from stealth =- bad gameplay

Don't just assume every nightblade is a ganker, I run a heavy stamblade setup with zero damage sets. Would you care to explain how these changes made to siphoning strikes and grim focus effect 1 shot gank builds?

altemriel · May 2017

Rikkof wrote: »

Rikumaru wrote: »

Minor magicka steal is a far superior buff than siphoning strikes with these changes and in PvP grim focus just got a nerf. So, the weakest PvP class open world, magicka nightblade just got weaker? Sorcs barely got touched, DKs had both nerfs and buffs and templars seemed to have got shafted just as hard as nightblades have. To be honest I don't know what will be rarer, stamplars or magicka nightblades in PvP.

you cant one shot anymore?
is good, imo, one shot from stealth =- bad gameplay

true

casparian wrote: »

Rikkof wrote: »

Rikumaru wrote: »

Minor magicka steal is a far superior buff than siphoning strikes with these changes and in PvP grim focus just got a nerf. So, the weakest PvP class open world, magicka nightblade just got weaker? Sorcs barely got touched, DKs had both nerfs and buffs and templars seemed to have got shafted just as hard as nightblades have. To be honest I don't know what will be rarer, stamplars or magicka nightblades in PvP.

you cant one shot anymore?
is good, imo, one shot from stealth =- bad gameplay

What are you talking about? You realize you're in a thread about magicka nightblades, right?

but this is truer

This one and fellow magicka nightblades know they are a burst class. Rise from the mist, kill, cloak back again and run away is the style.
But this one admits, there can be other ways to behave as a magicka nightblade as this one does.

Hail Sithis
Maoimii

Moncho11 · May 2017

Rikumaru wrote: »

Rikkof wrote: »

Rikumaru wrote: »

Minor magicka steal is a far superior buff than siphoning strikes with these changes and in PvP grim focus just got a nerf. So, the weakest PvP class open world, magicka nightblade just got weaker? Sorcs barely got touched, DKs had both nerfs and buffs and templars seemed to have got shafted just as hard as nightblades have. To be honest I don't know what will be rarer, stamplars or magicka nightblades in PvP.

you cant one shot anymore?
is good, imo, one shot from stealth =- bad gameplay

Don't just assume every nightblade is a ganker, I run a heavy stamblade setup with zero damage sets. Would you care to explain how these changes made to siphoning strikes and grim focus effect 1 shot gank builds?

Don't pay attention to him he created the account last week just to troll every Nightblade post.

YoshinJaa · May 2017

anyone post a screenshot of the new leeching/siphoning attacks tooltip?

Dottzgaming · May 2017

@NightbladeMechanics would be interested to hear your take on the siphoning strikes change

Patouf · May 2017

Hail Sithis.

Kihamai · May 2017

YoshinJaa wrote: »

anyone post a screenshot of the new leeching/siphoning attacks tooltip?

Also I tested it a bit and can confirm it does work like rally now.

makreth · May 2017

casparian wrote: »

Rikkof wrote: »

Rikumaru wrote: »

Minor magicka steal is a far superior buff than siphoning strikes with these changes and in PvP grim focus just got a nerf. So, the weakest PvP class open world, magicka nightblade just got weaker? Sorcs barely got touched, DKs had both nerfs and buffs and templars seemed to have got shafted just as hard as nightblades have. To be honest I don't know what will be rarer, stamplars or magicka nightblades in PvP.

you cant one shot anymore?
is good, imo, one shot from stealth =- bad gameplay

What are you talking about? You realize you're in a thread about magicka nightblades, right?

Thread title: Morrowind Nightbalde Megathread. Updates on Siphoning Strikes and no change grim Focus.

kadar · May 2017

casparian wrote: »

Rikkof wrote: »

Rikumaru wrote: »

Minor magicka steal is a far superior buff than siphoning strikes with these changes and in PvP grim focus just got a nerf. So, the weakest PvP class open world, magicka nightblade just got weaker? Sorcs barely got touched, DKs had both nerfs and buffs and templars seemed to have got shafted just as hard as nightblades have. To be honest I don't know what will be rarer, stamplars or magicka nightblades in PvP.

you cant one shot anymore?
is good, imo, one shot from stealth =- bad gameplay

What are you talking about? You realize you're in a thread about magicka nightblades, right?

The dude is completely fixated on gankers. I've never seen him comment about anything else. Probably saw "NB" in the title and assumed we're talking about ganking people...