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How do you feel about research Scrolls?
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From pts notes
Added Research Scrolls to the Master Writ merchant. These scrolls will reduce each active research time of a given tradeskill by 24 hours and have a 20 hour cooldown.
Added Research Scrolls to the Master Writ merchant. These scrolls will reduce each active research time of a given tradeskill by 24 hours and have a 20 hour cooldown.
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Saturn✭✭✭✭✭
✭It's a thing to help alleviate rich people of their money, to be honest. I don't know if you tried them out on the PTS, but the number of scrolls you need to level all your research would require an astronomical amount of crowns. It's actually quite ridiculous how poor of an investment it is.
Just to give an example: I wanted to craft 9 trait gear on the PTS and had to use these scrolls to make that possible on a template toon. To just get two items to max research level it required well over 50 scrolls to do so. I forget the exact amount, but it was pretty crazy.
Obviously the scrolls are best spent on the last few traits of an item, but even with the sub research reduction bonus it still takes 29 scrolls for that 9th trait.
Conclusion: An utter waste of money.3 -
it's worth noting that these are through *writ vouchers* rather than the crown store, at least as far as told in the patch notes. that means that you will have had to do master writs in order to buy them, or con other players into selling them when they get them from writ vouchers. So, since you will have had to do master writs to get them, you're probably working on 8 or 9 traits, and that's not so bad. It's a little less time, and an actual reward for actually doing your crafting writs. It might be another matter if it were crown store, but the notes specifically mentioned the writ merchant, and that makes it more of an achievement item...and you still have to have the item to pull traits off of in the first place. so, not such a big deal, in my book.
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✭✭I would like clarification on how they work. Do they permanently reduce research time? Do they reduce the time of all items currently being researched? One item? That patch note is a bit too vague.0 -
Tasear✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭silvermistktralasub17_ESO wrote: »it's worth noting that these are through *writ vouchers* rather than the crown store, at least as far as told in the patch notes. that means that you will have had to do master writs in order to buy them, or con other players into selling them when they get them from writ vouchers. So, since you will have had to do master writs to get them, you're probably working on 8 or 9 traits, and that's not so bad. It's a little less time, and an actual reward for actually doing your crafting writs. It might be another matter if it were crown store, but the notes specifically mentioned the writ merchant, and that makes it more of an achievement item...and you still have to have the item to pull traits off of in the first place. so, not such a big deal, in my book.
Alassirana
Wait it's not crown store, and I got 11 days left. If I by 4 I can say on respect this week. Cheers!0 -
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✭A cash grab and nothing more.
24 hours isn't significant when you've got 30 days to research (not including reduce buffs) an item and the 20 hour cool down practically means people will throw their money away buying these scrolls.
ZoS is hoping people don't understand math to see why these scrolls are a waste of money.
They would have done much better to sell scrolls which allow you to completely research an item, with a 20 hour cool down.
This way, people who are woefully lacking in researching can easily catch up.
ESPECIALLY SINCE RESEARCHING IS NOW POINTLESS SINCE ZOS IMPLEMENTED DUNGEON DROPS WHICH NEGATES CRAFTING COMPLETELY.
Don't waste your money, please.
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Tasear✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭A cash grab and nothing more.
24 hours isn't significant when you've got 30 days to research (not including reduce buffs) an item and the 20 hour cool down practically means people will throw their money away buying these scrolls.
ZoS is hoping people don't understand math to see why these scrolls are a waste of money.
They would have done much better to sell scrolls which allow you to completely research an item, with a 20 hour cool down.
This way, people who are woefully lacking in researching can easily catch up.
ESPECIALLY SINCE RESEARCHING IS NOW POINTLESS SINCE ZOS IMPLEMENTED DUNGEON DROPS WHICH NEGATES CRAFTING COMPLETELY.
Don't waste your money, please.
Maybe it's a sign. Transmog is soon or jelewery crafting!!!Edited by Tasear on May 22, 2017 1:07PM0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Ghost-Shot wrote: »I would like clarification on how they work. Do they permanently reduce research time? Do they reduce the time of all items currently being researched? One item? That patch note is a bit too vague.
As I understand they work on current research only in selected skill. so the clothing skill will reduce all clothing research with 1 day and you can not use it again until 20 hours.
Grinding just make you go in circles.
Asking ZoS for nerfs is as stupid as asking for close air support from the death star.0 -
theher0not✭✭✭✭✭I don't like it. This just means that they will never make research more bareable...
But it is nice that we can use crafting writs to get them.
So crown store ones: don't like it
Crafting writ ones: kinda like it0 -
A cash grab and nothing more.
24 hours isn't significant when you've got 30 days to research (not including reduce buffs) an item and the 20 hour cool down practically means people will throw their money away buying these scrolls.
ZoS is hoping people don't understand math to see why these scrolls are a waste of money.
They would have done much better to sell scrolls which allow you to completely research an item, with a 20 hour cool down.
This way, people who are woefully lacking in researching can easily catch up.
ESPECIALLY SINCE RESEARCHING IS NOW POINTLESS SINCE ZOS IMPLEMENTED DUNGEON DROPS WHICH NEGATES CRAFTING COMPLETELY.
Don't waste your money, please.
Maybe it's a sign. Transmog is soon or jelewery crafting!!!
Don't get your hopes up. They won't make any money off of incorporating that into the game itself and not charging about 100 dollars a pop on their cash shop. You can already glamour everything, and I mean everything in final fantasy 14 though. And it won't cost you any extra, it's included in the game. You simply need to find the quest for it (it is level 50, so new players will need to finish their main story first but you won't have much worth preserving the appearance of as you level until you begin to get the cool gear anyways) but the prisms to use it geenrally are around 1200 gil on my server. Which is cheap af, you get gil easily in FF14 unlike in eso where even the rmt are expensive af to reflect how much of pita getting gold is rofl.1 -
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ESPECIALLY SINCE RESEARCHING IS NOW POINTLESS SINCE ZOS IMPLEMENTED DUNGEON DROPS WHICH NEGATES CRAFTING COMPLETELY.
I don't necessarily agree. Crafting is pretty nice to be able to create a specific set with specific traits and specific enchantments on. Especially for the leveling process there is still a need for crafted gear. While your other points have merit - it's hard for me to agree that researching is now pointless. TBS is still useful for some builds.0 -
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Which are now woefully out of date to even Overland sets.drakhan2002_ESO wrote: »Crafting is pretty nice to be able to create a specific set with specific traits and specific enchantments on.
Crafting, the actual creation of stuff, is pointless. The skill traits are necessary for the passives for extraction/improvement, which can only be obtained through leveling.Especially for the leveling process there is still a need for crafted gear. While your other points have merit - it's hard for me to agree that researching is now pointless. TBS is still useful for some builds.
The worst part is, despite several new motifs entering the game, these still don't come close to what people can get through drops now.
I'm not angry, but I am disappointed.
It's pretty sad when I have to farm something as awesome as Mother's Sorrow but all my skills in my arsenal can't even come close to making it myself.
Thus, the skill is now pointless.
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✭✭Pretty unhappy about it, but the writing was on the wall as soon as Crown Motifs and Mimic Stones turned up in the Crown Store.0 -
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✭I'm saddened to see that with each update, the role of crafter is being steadily diminished to the point where soon, everybody will be a crafter and need to find one (and all the MMO related social interactions related to that) will be permanently gone.
Each quarterly update seems to be adding another nail into coffin of crafters profession.
First, the nerf to crafted gear from very long ago. After that sure, we got plenty of new motifs but shift of meta from crafted to looted gear made them greatly useless without any form of transmog/restyle system. But if anybody bothered enough to collect motif styles soon had their work diminished with flood of chapters released in recent anniversary event.
In meantime Homestead that could revive the role of crafter was at least mediocre. Complete detachment of furniture crafting from trait researching allowed players to simply pay their way with gold to reach ranks 50 in woodworking/clothing/blacksmithing/... and become a "master furniture crafter".
Now the research scrolls. The research timers were last thing in ESO that would separate long term players from people who just joined game. Knowing all traits meant something.
Research scrolls diminish all that work and allow players to buy their way into status of master crafter in result killing profession of crafter slowly bleeding it out.
When everyone is master crafter nobody needs one. You can already buy your way into ranks 50 of crafting, soon you will be able to buy your way into max researches and you can already buy your way into master stylist (all motifs known).
Sure, not everybody is interested in crafting, there will be still players who will completely ignore that part of game... until it will become necessary to do so.
Currently players already max their crafting skills just to be able to improve bound gear to higher level with minimal use of tempers. If transmogrification will be ever added into game, ability to change style of any gear piece i bet my last pair of nuts that it will make equipment bound and by oversight only the owner of equipment will be allowed to perform it. Casualification of furniture crafting also encourages maxing out crafting skills just like that.
Whats my point? There is nothing done to help dedicated crafters to provide their services, most hurtful thing is that there is no way for them to perform any operation on bound equipment (something as simple as improve other players monster helmet).
Each patch seems to be pushing the average player into direction of crafting, subtly forcing them to do it and in result indirectly destroying way of playing for other players (dedicated crafters).
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✭It's a thing to help alleviate rich people of their money, to be honest....
They cost Three writ vouchers each. By the PC NA prices, each research scroll costs 6k gold at top which can be farmed in 4 minutes of picking flowers.
They will flood the market and turn status of Master Crafter into a joke that can be obtained with some pocket money.
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✭✭✭✭✭MaximusDargus wrote: »Now the research scrolls. The research timers were last thing in ESO that would separate long term players from people who just joined game. Knowing all traits meant something.
Research scrolls diminish all that work and allow players to buy their way into status of master crafter in result killing profession of crafter slowly bleeding it out.
Even with the scrolls, it'll still take forever (instead of #$&(*)^! forever) to get all traits.
(and really, I have a hard time recalling any MMO that hasn't streamlined/sped up it's "original" timesinks - earning of old currencies, earlier raids, reputations, leveling, whatever.... otherwise, you alienate new players who join your game, realize that they'll never be able to "catch up", and bail back out. Yes, it's nice that you were able to grind out your Winterspring Frostsaber rep <hipster>back when it meant something, man</hipster>, but you can't expect that 2 year grind to always be two years. Just the way it is. /shrug)Edited by Kiralyn2000 on May 22, 2017 2:57PM2 -
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✭Ghost-Shot wrote: »I would like clarification on how they work. Do they permanently reduce research time? Do they reduce the time of all items currently being researched? One item? That patch note is a bit too vague.
Each scroll "Woodworking","Clothing","Blacksmithing" will reduce research time of all currently ongoing researches from specified craftskill. If you have three blacksmithing researches going on, a single research scroll will reduce timer by 24 hour on each of them.1 -
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✭MaximusDargus wrote: »It's a thing to help alleviate rich people of their money, to be honest....
They cost Three writ vouchers each. By the PC NA prices, each research scroll costs 6k gold at top which can be farmed in 4 minutes of picking flowers.
They will flood the market and turn status of Master Crafter into a joke that can be obtained with some pocket money.
Ah, thought these were crown store only. Yeah, they suck then.When the snows fall and the white winds blow,
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✭✭Kiralyn2000 wrote: »MaximusDargus wrote: »Now the research scrolls. The research timers were last thing in ESO that would separate long term players from people who just joined game. Knowing all traits meant something.
Research scrolls diminish all that work and allow players to buy their way into status of master crafter in result killing profession of crafter slowly bleeding it out.
Even with the scrolls, it'll still take forever (instead of #$&(*)^! forever) to get all traits.
(and really, I have a hard time recalling any MMO that hasn't streamlined/sped up it's "original" timesinks - earning of old currencies, earlier raids, reputations, leveling, whatever.... otherwise, you alienate new players who join your game, realize that they'll never be able to "catch up", and bail back out. Yes, it's nice that you were able to grind out your Winterspring Frostsaber rep <hipster>back when it meant something, man</hipster>, but you can't expect that 2 year grind to always be two years.* Just the way it is. /shrug)
I really can though. That MMOs have catered to the terminally-short-of-patience is unsurprising. The idea that it is inevitable? That's even worse,
(* emphasis mine)Edited by Iluvrien on May 22, 2017 3:31PM0 -
Victoria_Marquis✭✭✭As a crafter I find it completely bull poop that you have to wait 30 IRL days to learn a skill.
After 4 years of crafting I'm almost a master crafter in all skills. Just a few more months for 2h maces and swords.
Four Fπ€£ing Years!!!
And the worst part of it is that even a Master Crafter is useless, Dungeon bosses drop better armor and weapons in game than you can craft.
ZOS should make more specialty crafting stations that match the drops you get from farming dungeons.
The scroll you can buy only takes off 24 hours?
How about instantly finish it!!
At least make it worth our money =>,.,<=Edited by Victoria_Marquis on May 22, 2017 3:41PM2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Kiralyn2000 wrote: »MaximusDargus wrote: »Now the research scrolls. The research timers were last thing in ESO that would separate long term players from people who just joined game. Knowing all traits meant something.
Research scrolls diminish all that work and allow players to buy their way into status of master crafter in result killing profession of crafter slowly bleeding it out.
Even with the scrolls, it'll still take forever (instead of #$&(*)^! forever) to get all traits.
(and really, I have a hard time recalling any MMO that hasn't streamlined/sped up it's "original" timesinks - earning of old currencies, earlier raids, reputations, leveling, whatever.... otherwise, you alienate new players who join your game, realize that they'll never be able to "catch up", and bail back out. Yes, it's nice that you were able to grind out your Winterspring Frostsaber rep <hipster>back when it meant something, man</hipster>, but you can't expect that 2 year grind to always be two years.* Just the way it is. /shrug)
I really can though. That MMOs have catered to the terminally-short-of-patience is unsurprising. The idea that it is inevitable? That's even worse,
(* emphasis mine)
And I always love how the "but we had to walk 2 miles, in snow, uphill, both ways!" folks always portray any shortening of a task to "well they're just handing it out now!". Yeah, changing a 2 year grind into a 1 year grind is totally just catering to instant gratification. Uh huh.
(I remember the old days in WoW. Whenever someone suggested that perhaps it took a bit too much raid currency to buy gear, they were immediately shouted down with "so you want them to mail it all to you the moment you log in!?!?" /facepalm)2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I think 24 hours is too short so it would be great if there were other increments from writ vouchers because you're crafting to become better at crafting, so it makes sense to have other tiers. Those vouchers don't come cheap
-24 hours
-5 days
-10 days
-15 days
-20 days
-30 daysEdited by NewBlacksmurf on May 22, 2017 4:02PM-PC (PTS)/Xbox One: NewBlacksmurf
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Iluvrien✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Kiralyn2000 wrote: »Kiralyn2000 wrote: »MaximusDargus wrote: »Now the research scrolls. The research timers were last thing in ESO that would separate long term players from people who just joined game. Knowing all traits meant something.
Research scrolls diminish all that work and allow players to buy their way into status of master crafter in result killing profession of crafter slowly bleeding it out.
Even with the scrolls, it'll still take forever (instead of #$&(*)^! forever) to get all traits.
(and really, I have a hard time recalling any MMO that hasn't streamlined/sped up it's "original" timesinks - earning of old currencies, earlier raids, reputations, leveling, whatever.... otherwise, you alienate new players who join your game, realize that they'll never be able to "catch up", and bail back out. Yes, it's nice that you were able to grind out your Winterspring Frostsaber rep <hipster>back when it meant something, man</hipster>, but you can't expect that 2 year grind to always be two years.* Just the way it is. /shrug)
I really can though. That MMOs have catered to the terminally-short-of-patience is unsurprising. The idea that it is inevitable? That's even worse,
(* emphasis mine)
And I always love how the "but we had to walk 2 miles, in snow, uphill, both ways!" folks always portray any shortening of a task to "well they're just handing it out now!". Yeah, changing a 2 year grind into a 1 year grind is totally just catering to instant gratification. Uh huh.
(I remember the old days in WoW. Whenever someone suggested that perhaps it took a bit too much raid currency to buy gear, they were immediately shouted down with "so you want them to mail it all to you the moment you log in!?!?" /facepalm)
The Crown versions of these scrolls apparently have no cool-down.
If true, and it does seem to be, then it is turning a 2 year grind into a 2 day grind. Obviously not handing it away, right?
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JesQu✭✭✭✭It's a thing to help alleviate rich people of their money, to be honest. I don't know if you tried them out on the PTS, but the number of scrolls you need to level all your research would require an astronomical amount of crowns. It's actually quite ridiculous how poor of an investment it is.
Just to give an example: I wanted to craft 9 trait gear on the PTS and had to use these scrolls to make that possible on a template toon. To just get two items to max research level it required well over 50 scrolls to do so. I forget the exact amount, but it was pretty crazy.
Obviously the scrolls are best spent on the last few traits of an item, but even with the sub research reduction bonus it still takes 29 scrolls for that 9th trait.
Conclusion: An utter waste of money.
They're available with vouchers for very cheap, i don't see how it's waste of money, when you just can do a lot of alchemy writs to just buy them1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Kiralyn2000 wrote: »Kiralyn2000 wrote: »MaximusDargus wrote: »Now the research scrolls. The research timers were last thing in ESO that would separate long term players from people who just joined game. Knowing all traits meant something.
Research scrolls diminish all that work and allow players to buy their way into status of master crafter in result killing profession of crafter slowly bleeding it out.
Even with the scrolls, it'll still take forever (instead of #$&(*)^! forever) to get all traits.
(and really, I have a hard time recalling any MMO that hasn't streamlined/sped up it's "original" timesinks - earning of old currencies, earlier raids, reputations, leveling, whatever.... otherwise, you alienate new players who join your game, realize that they'll never be able to "catch up", and bail back out. Yes, it's nice that you were able to grind out your Winterspring Frostsaber rep <hipster>back when it meant something, man</hipster>, but you can't expect that 2 year grind to always be two years.* Just the way it is. /shrug)
I really can though. That MMOs have catered to the terminally-short-of-patience is unsurprising. The idea that it is inevitable? That's even worse,
(* emphasis mine)
And I always love how the "but we had to walk 2 miles, in snow, uphill, both ways!" folks always portray any shortening of a task to "well they're just handing it out now!". Yeah, changing a 2 year grind into a 1 year grind is totally just catering to instant gratification. Uh huh.
(I remember the old days in WoW. Whenever someone suggested that perhaps it took a bit too much raid currency to buy gear, they were immediately shouted down with "so you want them to mail it all to you the moment you log in!?!?" /facepalm)
The Crown versions of these scrolls apparently have no cool-down.
If true, and it does seem to be, then it is turning a 2 year grind into a 2 day grind. Obviously not handing it away, right?
What was your point again?
if someone has THAT much IRL money to waste on pixels? more power to them, thank you for supporting the game. because by my rough calculation, they would need to spend something like 1600 dollars. oh, they are certainly "GIVING it away"dirty worthless casual.
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