Moarmer as a playable race?

MyKillv2.0 · May 2017

Other (please specify in comments).

I believe next year, Zo$ will release a new playable race but it will be deadera themed, just a hunch.

TheNuminous1 · May 2017

Its racist to assume all maormer only want to live a life on the sea. The whole reason they attack tamriel is they want to live here. The maormer we encounter are the pirates and sailors but they do have a continent of their own.

And you encounter a good few of them in hews bane. Why would it be hard to accept some don't wanna live in pyandonea.

Also if anyone has realized how the Nov look at and treat our player characters, they see us all as like one entity. Though they arnt really aware of that. Just a many faced person really. We Couldent all have saved nirn and defeated molag bal. 1000 different people didn't all do the same quest over and over to the npcs.

In their digital mind one person saved the day and there is one vestige. So that makes it even easier to accept a new race added.

Sure there may be lots of maormer running around but lore wise its just one that got turned into the vestige.

Galwylin · May 2017

Yes, Moarmer should join the ESO family.

TheShadowScout wrote: »

Galwylin wrote: »

Galwylin wrote: »

Really can't see Moarmer becoming playable until the war is over...

Why?
I would like reasons for a statement such as that - what is speaking against a maormer being exiled from their home for some crime, and ending up playing mercenary to some of the landwalkers? Possibly fighting for varen Aquilarios to take the ruby throne, only to later get sacrificed by Mannimarco, sent to coldharbour, eventually escaping and thus starting of the vestige backstory...

As you demand so shall it be

I say that because the Moarmer (from what I've seen) are more raciest than the Altmer and Dunmer put together. I don't think anyone would want them. I don't think anyone could trust them. Now if the war was over and the various societies returned to their own concerns then sure, Moamer aren't any more out of place than the rest. Accepting them now would need to have one of Alliances struggling to take the risk. It would be like the Pact courting vampires or the Covenant werewolves. Sure, they exist within those Alliances and we've met a few. But this is an entire society regardless if they've fallen out with their leadership.

More likely what you're describing is an outside the current setup group. Like pirates. They don't belong anywhere in the world we currently have available to us. That could change one the war was over and we go back to nine different societies instead of the currently needed three. Bosmer can go back to eating their foes. Dunmer can go back to taking Argonians as slaves. Argonians can go back to being slaves (yeah, they reach for the stars they do). Etc.

Plus, I think the Moarmer would instinctively go to their closest cousins, the Altmer. They may still be Altmer but at least they aren't Orcs would be my guess how they'd approach the exile. Especially as a racist people (in general), they'll want to be what at least resembles their former lives. Both being elves and living near the ocean. Anyways, that's my reason for saying I just don't think it would work. Not without bending them into some shape just to make them fit as well as the groups that take them in. They do seem to be regarded as ocean dwelling goblins and almost no one likes goblins.

I'll be fine if you get your wish. Just think its a ways off.

TheShadowScout · May 2017

Yes, Moarmer should join the ESO family.

Galwylin wrote: »

I say that because the Moarmer (from what I've seen) are more raciest than the Altmer and Dunmer put together. I don't think anyone would want them. I don't think anyone could trust them. Now if the war was over and the various societies returned to their own concerns then sure, Moamer aren't any more out of place than the rest. Accepting them now would need to have one of Alliances struggling to take the risk. It would be like the Pact courting vampires or the Covenant werewolves...

All true.
And I am not talking about "them" as a whole, I am talking about individuals. Just like... say... werewolves fighting for the covenant and vampires for the pact.

Not all that likely when you look at the big picture, but when you look at individual player characters, well...

Galwylin wrote: »

Plus, I think the Moarmer would instinctively go to their closest cousins, the Altmer. They may still be Altmer but at least they aren't Orcs would be my guess how they'd approach the exile...

Except they have been at odds with the altmer for ages. Meaning... they have been in a pissing contest about who is more high and mighty for so long, killed their brothers and sisters over it... and imagine you suddenly find yourself exiled from Pyandonea, would you go to the people who for one might have a grudge against you for that, and for another you'd have to grovel to so you might be allowed scraps from their table after all that?
Personally I would think proud elves, even sea elves, would rather go elsewhere, where they can be the exotic sight bringing unique touch to some band of mercenaries, pirates or whatever, rather then the hated cousin slinking into town begging for handouts from their altmer cousins...

Also, yes as a general rule they are at least as racist as any altmer supremacist high elf, but since we are talking player characters... if the individual is racist, that would be up to the players writing their backstory. Might be they got exiled for just that - "tainting racial purity" by having "intimate relations" of a "consentional nature" with a non-maormer? I sometimes hear that is actually a thing for racists, when people become "race traitors" in their eyes by courting outside their narrow-minded view of what their "race" is supposed to be...

M0bi · May 2017

Yes, Moarmer should join the ESO family.

Well, I mean, would be cool...But then you will need to balance the other factions with two more classes. (Or maybe that's just me)
So Maomer, yes, but then what are the other 2 races?
Akaviri
Aldmer
Atmoran
Ayleid
Chimer
Dwemer
Falmer (Snow Elves)
Giant
Goblin
Imga
Kothringi
Lilmothiit
Nymphs
Reachmen
Riekling
Sload
Tsaesci

Technically, these are all races according to lore.

TheShadowScout · May 2017

Yes, Moarmer should join the ESO family.

M0bi wrote: »

Well, I mean, would be cool...But then you will need to balance the other factions with two more...

Not really, since they might be an crown store unlock race that can play in every alliance, just like imperials.

Well, that, or have one alliance "denied" for lore reasons, which in this case might be the dominion due to the sort of feud between maormer and altmer about who is the truer true heit to aldmeris... hard to seek refugee with the people your people have been raiding and skirmishing with the last couple centuries, right? All that resentment of altmer who lost family to maormer raids... not to mention, as I pointed out, proud maormer would rather not put themselves in a position where they had to go begging for handouts from them...

But since they were mentioned, let's take a look at more options:

Akaviri - Yes-Maybe - they are actually four races, Kamal (snow demons), Tsaesci (serpent folk), Ka-Po'Tun (tiger people) and Tang-Mo (monkey people). The Kamal were the main force behind the Pact-founding invasion ten years before ESO, and are generally considered enemies of the Ka-Po'Tun and Tang-Mo, thus they and the Tsaesci are the most likely candidates to have been in that invasion force... but all might be possible as "survivors" from that force, since they might have brought mercenaries or slaves from the other races with them... and might be "denied" to pact lands due to lingering resentment over the invasion.
Aldmer - Nope - are long gone and turned into Altmer, Ayleids, Maormer, Chimer, etc.
Atmoran - Nope - aka "Nedes"; are mong gone and turned into Nords, Imperials and Bretons
Ayleid - Nope - are long gone, we meet the laast during the coldharbour mainquest.
Chimer - Nope - are all turned into dumner through daedric intervention (except the tribunal, sort of)
Dwemer - Nope - are all gone except one, and noone knows where they went.
Falmer (Snow Elves) - Nope - are all gone (except the holdouts you can meet in TES:Skyrim), turned into blind mutants through dwemer betrayal.
Giant - Nope - are around, but impractical as player characters due to clipping through all the landscape issues... same goes for ogres as well... (though we -could- have a "titanborn" unlock for nord characters to allows them to exceed the current height slider limitations and play as one of Lyris cousins or somesuch...)
Goblin - Yes - are viable, sort of. Sure, they are primitive, and noone likes or trusts them much... but player characters might be able to work around that through their deeds,a nd prove an "noble savage" type of goblin that gradually gets accepted. Especially if they know their place!
Imga - Maybe - they ought to be around, but are somehow hiding. Noone knows where or how. Could be added if the powes that be want to, and think players would like to go for "shaved apes ape-ing the altmer" as their race...
Kothringi - Perhaps - technically died out in the knarhaten flu twenty years before ESO - though some "lone survivors" might be possible, still around because they were elsewhere when the flu wiped out their people, not enough to sustain their race, etc. Also a not unheard of clichee in fantasy stories.
Lilmothiit - Perhaps - same as Kothringi - died in Knarhaten flu, might be possible to have "lone survivors"
Nymphs - Unlikely - not so sure about them, since they kinda were never mentioned as race after TES:Daggerfall... makes me think the game designers tried to make people forget about them... ;-) Anyways, I think they were not exactly a mortal race, more akin to Neireids or Dryads, nature spirits taking on humanoid form, so not exactly a good idea for player characters...
Reachmen - Yes - might just be barbaric bretons, but could just as well be depicted as offshoot race. Might be denied in covenant lands due to the recent unpleasentness in Glenumbra, Bangkorai and Orsinium...
Riekling - Maybe - are kinda goblins with blue instead of green skin tone... could be done in a package deal.
Sload - Nope - are impractical, both structurally - they are fat near immobile slug-people, think the elder scrolls version of Jabba the Hutt; and lore-wise, since they were beaten back to their western isles a looong time ago, and have never sought any contact with mainland tamriel.
Tsaesci - see "Akaviri" above.

Muttsmutt · May 2017

No, Moarmer should stay on Pyandonea where they belong.

we have enough, we don't need MOAR mer

Jitterbug · May 2017

No, Moarmer should stay on Pyandonea where they belong.

Last thing we need is more entitled lolmers

Qbiken · May 2017

Yes, Moarmer should join the ESO family.

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

I'm not interested but if it makes you happy I hope you get it .

This comment made me happy

Would be nice to see a DLC like that tbh

, not sure about Maormer as race though

TheShadowScout · May 2017

Yes, Moarmer should join the ESO family.

Qbiken wrote: »

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

I'm not interested but if it makes you happy I hope you get it .

This comment made me happy

I have to agree there, its nice to see some people are reasonable about such maters and not all like "If I don't want it, you shan't have it!"

subtlezeroub17_ESO · May 2017

Why? They are Altmers with Grey skin and no pupils. Literally.

There's nothing special about them.

TheShadowScout · May 2017

Yes, Moarmer should join the ESO family.

subtlezeroub17_ESO wrote: »

Why? They are Altmers with Grey skin and no pupils. Literally.

There's nothing special about them.

And Nords are just pale humans filled with mead.
And Redguards are just dusky humans living in the desert.
And Imperials are just average humans who once had an emperor.
...
And Altmer are just tall elves with gold skin.
And Bosmer are just small elves who nom on people.
And Dunmer are just elves with dark skin aod often red eyes.
...
Nothing special about any of them... right? At leasat according top you...

The point is, all the different races are all a little special in their way, because that's how the powers that be decided races would be in the elder scrolls universe.
And the grey skin and nictitating membrane eyes does indicate -some- adfaptation to live around the sea, thus "sea elf"... henceforth it -would- make a lot of sense to have them as seperate race and not just "palette shift altmer".
Would it also make sense to sell the option fo play that race to player characters? Well, that's what we are discussing here, aren't we?

SydneyGrey · May 2017

Yes, Moarmer should join the ESO family.

The arguments against having Maormer as a playable race are kind of silly. If you start an Aldmeri Dominion character, the opening island is Khenarthi's Roost, which begins with the Maormer and the Khajiits co-existing together peacefully. The Maormer decide to invade aggressively, which kicks off a war. (It might be just Maormer pirates who invade with the help of some Maormer traitors in Khenarthi's Roost, but I can't remember if they were pirates or not.)

In the story line of another alliance, the Ebonheart Pact, it's the Daggerfall Covenant who are the bad guys and portrayed as an evil invading army.

So what's the difference?

The only difference is that some people are afraid of change, I guess.

ArchMikem · May 2017

More Elves? And even then Elves who have even worse of a Superiority complex than the Altmer.

I'd most definitely pass.

Sosderosii · May 2017

Other (please specify in comments).

Maybe at some point but now there's plenty of stuff to be added before them.

Eporem · May 2017

Yes, Moarmer should join the ESO family.

I have begun to wonder if this statue in Hews Bane is connected to the Maormer.

and when reading more to see if it could be, found this,

http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:In_Defense_of_Prince_Hubalajad

that Walks- Softly knew all along:)

Calsifer · May 2017

Other (please specify in comments).

Maomer, and pre-Golem Falmer, as long as we are wishing.

Galwylin · May 2017

Yes, Moarmer should join the ESO family.

It still comes down to me if there are too many hoops to jump through to make it possible (lore wise) then its not a good idea to do. That doesn't stop games from jumping those hoops but we usually end up with something that is only a cosmetic addition without any real development.

TheShadowScout · May 2017

Yes, Moarmer should join the ESO family.

ArchMikem wrote: »

More Elves? And even then Elves who have even worse of a Superiority complex than the Altmer.

I'd most definitely pass.

Whaaa...? You would pass on the chance to rub in in their faces that they have become just another vestive like every one of us? Especially when you can catch them as they noobishly stumble out of coldharbor to the starter islands, and you can walk up to them with your niftyest titles and endgame gear and laugh at them...

Though I agree that there needs to be balances. At least some other new races as well that are not all high and haughty...

Calsifer wrote: »

Maomer, and pre-Golem Falmer, as long as we are wishing.

Sadly, the snow elves are all long gone. They fled the atmoran invaders in to the greedy hands of the treacherous dwemer somewhen in the early first era, long before ESO times, as in thousands of years before. And were all fungus-mutated into the blind monstrous falmer we know from TES:Skyrim ages ago, so... nope.

There's quite a few ones we could wish for that are realistic in the current ESO timeline, just check a few of my earlier posts