[Proof] Sorcs are not OP! Stop crying for nerfs! How dare you all!
FearlessOne_2014
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Ok guys I know what I'm about to link may look bad to this cause. However if you notice in this video max CP sorcerers to include pet sorcs ARE NOT GODMODE, like many advertise on these forums they are. Notice how many deaths these god mode builds had.
I mean come on Sorc is nowhere near overpowered on live at this moment. Yet Sorcs are going to get hit by nerfs. Uggh I guess we sorcs will just have to go back to the drawing boards........ Well any ways here is the video proof. That sorcs are not nearly as powerful as players who don't play the class or hate playing against the class make it out to be........
https://youtu.be/fGyo_ZqcgvY
I mean come on Sorc is nowhere near overpowered on live at this moment. Yet Sorcs are going to get hit by nerfs. Uggh I guess we sorcs will just have to go back to the drawing boards........ Well any ways here is the video proof. That sorcs are not nearly as powerful as players who don't play the class or hate playing against the class make it out to be........
https://youtu.be/fGyo_ZqcgvY 5
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✭✭✭✭Vet Wayrest 2 with a three man group and you wiped a few times is your proof?Gold Dragons Guildmaster PC-NACR2000+Kalthar Wolf-Brother – EP Templar - 50 Maeli Valen - EP NB - 50Naps-During-Trials – EP Templar - 50Rulnakh - EP Sorc - 50Azrael Krieg - EP NB – 50Uvithasa Telvanni – EP DK – 50More-Tail - EP Warden - 50Narile Galen - EP Sorc - 50Bone Soldier - EP Necro - 50Naps-During-Trails - EP Necro - 5033 -
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✭✭✭My NB tank grouped with 3 sorcs last night for CoH2. All 3 of them died at least once where I made it out unscathed.
So basically NB is overpowered and sorc is not.4 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Accidental mages wrath midway through Malubeth fight. Not popping pet first then curse to get 100% uptime on the curse buff to pet, generally all over the place rotation with shielding in unnecessary places. Just from skimming through the video.
I don't mean to be rude but this isn't exactly the best example of what magicka pet sorcs can actually achieve.13 -
Tirps✭✭✭✭It is all about how good the player is.. Bad ones are bad even if the class is good.cp1k+ ( ´•౪•`)8 -
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✭It is all about how good the player is.. Bad ones are bad even if the class is good.
I agree but if sorc is as godmode OP as all of the anti sorcs claim. Then logically a bad player would be able a keep pace with a pro player, if not surpass them. Because the class is god mode overtuned. However this is not the case with sorcs to include pet sorcs.
Yet people just hate on sorcs just to hate on them. Because they are mad they got beat by one. Same story with the StamBlades to be honest. It's funny classes are nearly equal in terms of collective power. Yet people want to just nuke sorcs out of the game.
If this is going to be the acceptable norm by the classist community....
Then.
- Make templar have gimped healing ability..
- Make DKs have gimped tanking ability
- Make Wardens have gimped support ability.
Lets gut all of these classes and put them on the same level that people want sorc and NBs to be on.
That sound outrageous now don't it? But that's what yall are doing to sorcs. When other class are close in terms of damage, however outside of NB are beyond super effective with their primary rolo....[Tank or Healer]Edited by FearlessOne_2014 on May 21, 2017 12:14PM1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭FearlessOne_2014 wrote: »It is all about how good the player is.. Bad ones are bad even if the class is good.
I agree but if sorc is as godmode OP as all of the anti sorcs claim. Then logically a bad player would be able a keep pace with a pro player, if not surpass them. Because the class is god mode overtuned. However this is not the case with sorcs to include pet sorcs.
Yet people just hate on sorcs just to hate on them. Because they are mad they got beat by one. Same story with the StamBlades to be honest. It's funny classes are nearly equal in terms of collective power. Yet people want to just nuke sorcs out of the game.
If this is going to be the acceptable norm by the classist community....
Then.
- Make templar have gimped healing ability..
- Make DKs have gimped tanking ability
- Make Wardens have gimped support ability.
Lets gut all of these classes and put them on the same level that people want sorc and NBs to be on.
That sound outrageous now don't it? But that's what yall are doing to sorcs. When other class are close in terms of damage, however outside of NB are beyond super effective with their primary rolo....[Tank or Healer]
Sorc should be 2-3k dps ahead of the other classes (this is the case with non-pet sorcs), not 10k+ (pet sorcs).
Just because the class you enjoy is being nerfed, doesn't mean it's bad for the game. I have played magsorc for quite a while and I'm so eager to see how nicely they nerf pet sorcs.Edited by Voxicity on May 21, 2017 12:17PM12 -
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✭FearlessOne_2014 wrote: »It is all about how good the player is.. Bad ones are bad even if the class is good.
I agree but if sorc is as godmode OP as all of the anti sorcs claim. Then logically a bad player would be able a keep pace with a pro player, if not surpass them. Because the class is god mode overtuned. However this is not the case with sorcs to include pet sorcs.
Yet people just hate on sorcs just to hate on them. Because they are mad they got beat by one. Same story with the StamBlades to be honest. It's funny classes are nearly equal in terms of collective power. Yet people want to just nuke sorcs out of the game.
If this is going to be the acceptable norm by the classist community....
Then.
- Make templar have gimped healing ability..
- Make DKs have gimped tanking ability
- Make Wardens have gimped support ability.
Lets gut all of these classes and put them on the same level that people want sorc and NBs to be on.
That sound outrageous now don't it? But that's what yall are doing to sorcs. When other class are close in terms of damage, however outside of NB are beyond super effective with their primary rolo....[Tank or Healer]
Sorc should be 2-3k dps ahead of the other classes, not 10k+
Then by your logic. Sorcs should also be acceptable tanks and healers in trials. But they are not even close. And now yall keep campaigning to take away the only thing that sorc has going for it, damage. I'm sorry but you just sound like the other anti sorc players that just want the class deleted from this game.0 -
waitwhat✭✭✭✭✭FearlessOne_2014 wrote: »FearlessOne_2014 wrote: »It is all about how good the player is.. Bad ones are bad even if the class is good.
I agree but if sorc is as godmode OP as all of the anti sorcs claim. Then logically a bad player would be able a keep pace with a pro player, if not surpass them. Because the class is god mode overtuned. However this is not the case with sorcs to include pet sorcs.
Yet people just hate on sorcs just to hate on them. Because they are mad they got beat by one. Same story with the StamBlades to be honest. It's funny classes are nearly equal in terms of collective power. Yet people want to just nuke sorcs out of the game.
If this is going to be the acceptable norm by the classist community....
Then.
- Make templar have gimped healing ability..
- Make DKs have gimped tanking ability
- Make Wardens have gimped support ability.
Lets gut all of these classes and put them on the same level that people want sorc and NBs to be on.
That sound outrageous now don't it? But that's what yall are doing to sorcs. When other class are close in terms of damage, however outside of NB are beyond super effective with their primary rolo....[Tank or Healer]
Sorc should be 2-3k dps ahead of the other classes, not 10k+
Then by your logic. Sorcs should also be acceptable tanks and healers in trials. But they are not even close. And now yall keep campaigning to take away the only thing that sorc has going for it, damage. I'm sorry but you just sound like the other anti sorc players that just want the class deleted from this game.
And you sound like one of those tone-deaf sorc players who are oblivious to where they stand in relation to the other classes in this game. The nerfs are called for not only on the basis of the challenges and strengths of sorcs themselves, but also on the imbalance of their challenges and strengths vis-a-vis those of the other classes.
You think those sorcs died easily? Try playing a stamblade. Sorc overperformance is half the problem nightblades face in PvE.PS4 NA AD ScourgeVivec Loading Screen Simulator 2017
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✭✭✭✭✭FearlessOne_2014 wrote: »FearlessOne_2014 wrote: »It is all about how good the player is.. Bad ones are bad even if the class is good.
I agree but if sorc is as godmode OP as all of the anti sorcs claim. Then logically a bad player would be able a keep pace with a pro player, if not surpass them. Because the class is god mode overtuned. However this is not the case with sorcs to include pet sorcs.
Yet people just hate on sorcs just to hate on them. Because they are mad they got beat by one. Same story with the StamBlades to be honest. It's funny classes are nearly equal in terms of collective power. Yet people want to just nuke sorcs out of the game.
If this is going to be the acceptable norm by the classist community....
Then.
- Make templar have gimped healing ability..
- Make DKs have gimped tanking ability
- Make Wardens have gimped support ability.
Lets gut all of these classes and put them on the same level that people want sorc and NBs to be on.
That sound outrageous now don't it? But that's what yall are doing to sorcs. When other class are close in terms of damage, however outside of NB are beyond super effective with their primary rolo....[Tank or Healer]
Sorc should be 2-3k dps ahead of the other classes, not 10k+
Then by your logic. Sorcs should also be acceptable tanks and healers in trials. But they are not even close. And now yall keep campaigning to take away the only thing that sorc has going for it, damage. I'm sorry but you just sound like the other anti sorc players that just want the class deleted from this game.
You could have included the rest of my quote where I stated that I've played magsorc for a while, so obviously I don't want the class deleted from the game 'cause that would mean I wasted my time perfecting my magsorc and learning it's rotation.
As I said, sorcs should do more damage than other classes, but when you're pulling 10k+ from range with huge damage shields, it's a bit ridiculous.2 -
waitwhat✭✭✭✭✭Honestly, real talk, is this a troll thread?
I feel like we're being trolled.PS4 NA AD ScourgeVivec Loading Screen Simulator 2017
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✭FearlessOne_2014 wrote: »FearlessOne_2014 wrote: »It is all about how good the player is.. Bad ones are bad even if the class is good.
I agree but if sorc is as godmode OP as all of the anti sorcs claim. Then logically a bad player would be able a keep pace with a pro player, if not surpass them. Because the class is god mode overtuned. However this is not the case with sorcs to include pet sorcs.
Yet people just hate on sorcs just to hate on them. Because they are mad they got beat by one. Same story with the StamBlades to be honest. It's funny classes are nearly equal in terms of collective power. Yet people want to just nuke sorcs out of the game.
If this is going to be the acceptable norm by the classist community....
Then.
- Make templar have gimped healing ability..
- Make DKs have gimped tanking ability
- Make Wardens have gimped support ability.
Lets gut all of these classes and put them on the same level that people want sorc and NBs to be on.
That sound outrageous now don't it? But that's what yall are doing to sorcs. When other class are close in terms of damage, however outside of NB are beyond super effective with their primary rolo....[Tank or Healer]
Sorc should be 2-3k dps ahead of the other classes, not 10k+
Then by your logic. Sorcs should also be acceptable tanks and healers in trials. But they are not even close. And now yall keep campaigning to take away the only thing that sorc has going for it, damage. I'm sorry but you just sound like the other anti sorc players that just want the class deleted from this game.
And you sound like one of those tone-deaf sorc players who are oblivious to where they stand in relation to the other classes in this game. The nerfs are called for not only on the basis of the challenges and strengths of sorcs themselves, but also on the imbalance of their challenges and strengths vis-a-vis those of the other classes.
You think those sorcs died easily? Try playing a stamblade. Sorc overperformance is half the problem nightblades face in PvE.
Funny I thought DK, Temps, and Sorcs all crying for nerf after nerf after nerf is all of the problem why Nighblades under-performs so badly in PvE. Now sorc is you guys next agenda to get rid of. All that needs to happen is for NBs to be buffed up to sorcs level. Since nerfing sorcs to NBs level is basically the same as deleting them from the game. For at least 6 to 12 months if not more.
Oh and I do know of the struggles stamblades faces I plays them and all of the other classes. As shown below.
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✭✭FearlessOne_2014 wrote: »It is all about how good the player is.. Bad ones are bad even if the class is good.
I agree but if sorc is as godmode OP as all of the anti sorcs claim. Then logically a bad player would be able a keep pace with a pro player, if not surpass them. Because the class is god mode overtuned. However this is not the case with sorcs to include pet sorcs.
Mate, you are confusing the floor with the ceiling. A bad player won't know how to make the most of sorcs. A good player will push that to the limit and utilize every advantage they can get. Same way that acquiring the BiS gear won't automatically make you a god; it's how well you perform in that gear that counts.
What we are all talking about is the lowering of the potential ceiling for sorcs, since all other classes had theirs lowered significantly.6 -
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✭✭✭✭✭FearlessOne_2014 wrote: »FearlessOne_2014 wrote: »FearlessOne_2014 wrote: »It is all about how good the player is.. Bad ones are bad even if the class is good.
I agree but if sorc is as godmode OP as all of the anti sorcs claim. Then logically a bad player would be able a keep pace with a pro player, if not surpass them. Because the class is god mode overtuned. However this is not the case with sorcs to include pet sorcs.
Yet people just hate on sorcs just to hate on them. Because they are mad they got beat by one. Same story with the StamBlades to be honest. It's funny classes are nearly equal in terms of collective power. Yet people want to just nuke sorcs out of the game.
If this is going to be the acceptable norm by the classist community....
Then.
- Make templar have gimped healing ability..
- Make DKs have gimped tanking ability
- Make Wardens have gimped support ability.
Lets gut all of these classes and put them on the same level that people want sorc and NBs to be on.
That sound outrageous now don't it? But that's what yall are doing to sorcs. When other class are close in terms of damage, however outside of NB are beyond super effective with their primary rolo....[Tank or Healer]
Sorc should be 2-3k dps ahead of the other classes, not 10k+
Then by your logic. Sorcs should also be acceptable tanks and healers in trials. But they are not even close. And now yall keep campaigning to take away the only thing that sorc has going for it, damage. I'm sorry but you just sound like the other anti sorc players that just want the class deleted from this game.
And you sound like one of those tone-deaf sorc players who are oblivious to where they stand in relation to the other classes in this game. The nerfs are called for not only on the basis of the challenges and strengths of sorcs themselves, but also on the imbalance of their challenges and strengths vis-a-vis those of the other classes.
You think those sorcs died easily? Try playing a stamblade. Sorc overperformance is half the problem nightblades face in PvE.
Funny I thought DK, Temps, and Sorcs all crying for nerf after nerf after nerf is all of the problem why Nighblades under-performs so badly in PvE. Now sorc is you guys next agenda to get rid of. All that needs to happen is for NBs to be buffed up to sorcs level. Since nerfing sorcs to NBs level is basically the same as deleting them from the game. For at least 6 to 12 months if not more.
Oh and I do know of the struggles stamblades faces I plays them and all of the other classes. As shown below.
Stamblade is actually in a pretty nice spot next patch. And Magblade is even betterEdited by Voxicity on May 21, 2017 12:46PM2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭FearlessOne_2014 wrote: »FearlessOne_2014 wrote: »FearlessOne_2014 wrote: »It is all about how good the player is.. Bad ones are bad even if the class is good.
I agree but if sorc is as godmode OP as all of the anti sorcs claim. Then logically a bad player would be able a keep pace with a pro player, if not surpass them. Because the class is god mode overtuned. However this is not the case with sorcs to include pet sorcs.
Yet people just hate on sorcs just to hate on them. Because they are mad they got beat by one. Same story with the StamBlades to be honest. It's funny classes are nearly equal in terms of collective power. Yet people want to just nuke sorcs out of the game.
If this is going to be the acceptable norm by the classist community....
Then.
- Make templar have gimped healing ability..
- Make DKs have gimped tanking ability
- Make Wardens have gimped support ability.
Lets gut all of these classes and put them on the same level that people want sorc and NBs to be on.
That sound outrageous now don't it? But that's what yall are doing to sorcs. When other class are close in terms of damage, however outside of NB are beyond super effective with their primary rolo....[Tank or Healer]
Sorc should be 2-3k dps ahead of the other classes, not 10k+
Then by your logic. Sorcs should also be acceptable tanks and healers in trials. But they are not even close. And now yall keep campaigning to take away the only thing that sorc has going for it, damage. I'm sorry but you just sound like the other anti sorc players that just want the class deleted from this game.
And you sound like one of those tone-deaf sorc players who are oblivious to where they stand in relation to the other classes in this game. The nerfs are called for not only on the basis of the challenges and strengths of sorcs themselves, but also on the imbalance of their challenges and strengths vis-a-vis those of the other classes.
You think those sorcs died easily? Try playing a stamblade. Sorc overperformance is half the problem nightblades face in PvE.
Funny I thought DK, Temps, and Sorcs all crying for nerf after nerf after nerf is all of the problem why Nighblades under-performs so badly in PvE. Now sorc is you guys next agenda to get rid of. All that needs to happen is for NBs to be buffed up to sorcs level. Since nerfing sorcs to NBs level is basically the same as deleting them from the game. For at least 6 to 12 months if not more.
Oh and I do know of the struggles stamblades faces I plays them and all of the other classes. As shown below.
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✭Nahh, sorc is not OP. I have a MagSorc and MagDK and both are maxed out, but too damn squishy with light armor sets. Sure the Conjured Ward and damage shield on a sorc is good, but going sololy against higher hp bosses, or even regular world bosses, where you can deplete your resources fast, if you're not careful.. then, you're toasted with the flimsy LA. For PvE, the desto ultimate is also not even all that. Sure, if 2 or more sorc stack it, it is devastating. That's pretty much why so many are wanting just MagSorc in vet trials, because they can stack that ultimate and other majicka-based AOE, all the while being continuously healed by the healers, with the tank doing its job keeping the boss(s) away from the flimsy sorc. When the healer and/or tank goes down, those sorc are normally in trouble if the healers and tank are not being brought back quick.
Yes, a sorc is very good and brutal in a group setting, but I rarely take it solely like my DK, which to me, has better resources management, resistance and survivability. To each its own, though. Yes, with the right hand of a "master sorc" type, a sorc can be perceived as being OP. Ehh, so, as any other class/toon with the right hands controlling it.
Oh, and again for ZOS/dev.. quit the damn *beeping* nerfing already!0 -
waitwhat✭✭✭✭✭FearlessOne_2014 wrote: »FearlessOne_2014 wrote: »FearlessOne_2014 wrote: »It is all about how good the player is.. Bad ones are bad even if the class is good.
I agree but if sorc is as godmode OP as all of the anti sorcs claim. Then logically a bad player would be able a keep pace with a pro player, if not surpass them. Because the class is god mode overtuned. However this is not the case with sorcs to include pet sorcs.
Yet people just hate on sorcs just to hate on them. Because they are mad they got beat by one. Same story with the StamBlades to be honest. It's funny classes are nearly equal in terms of collective power. Yet people want to just nuke sorcs out of the game.
If this is going to be the acceptable norm by the classist community....
Then.
- Make templar have gimped healing ability..
- Make DKs have gimped tanking ability
- Make Wardens have gimped support ability.
Lets gut all of these classes and put them on the same level that people want sorc and NBs to be on.
That sound outrageous now don't it? But that's what yall are doing to sorcs. When other class are close in terms of damage, however outside of NB are beyond super effective with their primary rolo....[Tank or Healer]
Sorc should be 2-3k dps ahead of the other classes, not 10k+
Then by your logic. Sorcs should also be acceptable tanks and healers in trials. But they are not even close. And now yall keep campaigning to take away the only thing that sorc has going for it, damage. I'm sorry but you just sound like the other anti sorc players that just want the class deleted from this game.
And you sound like one of those tone-deaf sorc players who are oblivious to where they stand in relation to the other classes in this game. The nerfs are called for not only on the basis of the challenges and strengths of sorcs themselves, but also on the imbalance of their challenges and strengths vis-a-vis those of the other classes.
You think those sorcs died easily? Try playing a stamblade. Sorc overperformance is half the problem nightblades face in PvE.
Funny I thought DK, Temps, and Sorcs all crying for nerf after nerf after nerf is all of the problem why Nighblades under-performs so badly in PvE. Now sorc is you guys next agenda to get rid of. All that needs to happen is for NBs to be buffed up to sorcs level. Since nerfing sorcs to NBs level is basically the same as deleting them from the game. For at least 6 to 12 months if not more.
Oh and I do know of the struggles stamblades faces I plays them and all of the other classes. As shown below.
1. You thought wrong. The other half of the problem is that, while nightblades were nerfed to oblivion, the other classes were not, and thus the nightblades fell behind. The nerfs to the other classes--and to sorcs--this coming update will help correct the imbalance.
2. Buffing nightblades to sorc levels will only return nightblades to the point where everyone was complaining about, namely one-shots after one-shots in Cyrodiil. The "buff other classes" argument isn't valid in our current context because no one will be able to stomach the actual implications of buffing nightblades.
3. Nerfing sorcs to the level of nightblades is not the same as deleting them from the game, not at all. Nightblades still exist, and so will sorcs. The ratio of skill to success will just increase with sorcs to be closer to that of nightblades.
4. Simply levelling up characters in other classes does not mean you know the struggles those classes face, and frankly, it says nothing of how you feel about their relative struggles. You like playing sorc the most, clearly, and thus you care more about sorcs than the other classes, to a fault. You would not have created this thread in the manner in which you did had you truly understood where all the classes stand.
This thread only serves to show why sorcs do need nerfs: You need to come to grips with your class becoming more difficult to play, just as everyone else has had to do.
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Breton magplar vet Trial Healer - Promoting wellness through self-reflection.
Argonian Tripot DK Cyrodiil Tank - One with the Hist and guarding cute Breton boys.
Altmer magsorc PvE DPS - Scamp tramp and unrepentant lush.
"30s to eval"
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✭GreenhaloX wrote: »Nahh, sorc is not OP. I have a MagSorc and MagDK and both are maxed out, but too damn squishy with light armor sets. Sure the Conjured Ward and damage shield on a sorc is good, but going sololy against higher hp bosses, or even regular world bosses, where you can deplete your resources fast, if you're not careful.. then, you're toasted with the flimsy LA. For PvE, the desto ultimate is also not even all that. Sure, if 2 or more sorc stack it, it is devastating. That's pretty much why so many are wanting just MagSorc in vet trials, because they can stack that ultimate and other majicka-based AOE, all the while being continuously healed by the healers, with the tank doing its job keeping the boss(s) away from the flimsy sorc. When the healer and/or tank goes down, those sorc are normally in trouble if the healers and tank are not being brought back quick.
Yes, a sorc is very good and brutal in a group setting, but I rarely take it solely like my DK, which to me, has better resources management, resistance and survivability. To each its own, though. Yes, with the right hand of a "master sorc" type, a sorc can be perceived as being OP. Ehh, so, as any other class/toon with the right hands controlling it.
Oh, and again for ZOS/dev.. quit the damn *beeping* nerfing already!
I agree with you. Solo life on my DKs are much much easier then on my sorc. However in a group setting with full support my sorcs are allowed to shine a bit.
I would be happy to give up the damage portion of sorcerer. Only if ZOS allowed Sorcs to competitively tank and heal and dps like Templars and DKs can.0 -
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✭FearlessOne_2014 wrote: »Ok guys I know what I'm about to link may look bad to this cause. However if you notice in this video max CP sorcerers to include pet sorcs ARE NOT GODMODE, like many advertise on these forums they are. Notice how many deaths these god mode builds had.
I mean come on Sorc is nowhere near overpowered on live at this moment. Yet Sorcs are going to get hit by nerfs. Uggh I guess we sorcs will just have to go back to the drawing boards........ Well any ways here is the video proof. That sorcs are not nearly as powerful as players who don't play the class or hate playing against the class make it out to be........https://youtu.be/fGyo_ZqcgvY
Look, here's the deal. My stamina templar, allegedly the shittiest dps class in the game does more dps than most really good sorcs do, with better survivability. I don't think they're op. I think they're a really decent class that's much easier to get good with. Whereas stamina templar is a really good class, but takes considerably more knowledge and practice to get good with. (Most people play stamplar like other stam classes, probably why they aren't scoring high dps). Hell, here is an example. With just fracture buff (basically like ele drain but no resource return) I was parsing 42k dps with *** trait weapons.
I don't think they're OP, I think sorc is just a more streamlined easymode dps class. I want to assure you OP that 99% of all the sorc hate on these forums atm has to do with the fact that zenimax has done nearly no class adjustments to sorc in the pts. ...And that the crux of the matter is that they're putting the changes too late in the pts intentionally.
My personal concern is that they'll either overbuff the sorcs, or nerf them into elderscolls IV. Atm sorcs are towering over the other classes and with this unknown update to them there is just a lot of tension in the air.
For the record, I don't play a sorc. But they're awesome for trials and I don't want to see them harmed as a class, however a lack of harm is a huge gunshot to the head of anyone that doesn't main a sorc. This puts us at a pretty akward spot. I don't really want to comment on the matter more so than I already have as I have extremely mixed feelings on the matter.
On 1 hand, classes need to be balamced. On the other, sorcs are the ONLY solid performing ranged dps atm and any nerfs would in all legitimacy harm raid guilds across the board.1 -
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✭I play a mSorc exclusively. I want the devs to do more to give Sorcs, NBs, and DKs better healing utility and to give Sorcs, NBs, and Templars better tanking utility, so that they can be desirable choices for those roles in end game content. At the same time, I can appreciate why equalizing the damage dealing role is something more players desire, mainly because you need about 8 damage dealers in a trial but only 2 healers and 2 tanks. I do think that until the other role abilities are more equalized more between all classes, those that only excel at damage dealing (Sorcs and NBs) should be stronger in that respect, but not to the point that taking a Templar or DK as a damage dealer would be a significant disadvantage.1 -
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✭Ep1kMalware wrote: »FearlessOne_2014 wrote: »Ok guys I know what I'm about to link may look bad to this cause. However if you notice in this video max CP sorcerers to include pet sorcs ARE NOT GODMODE, like many advertise on these forums they are. Notice how many deaths these god mode builds had.
I mean come on Sorc is nowhere near overpowered on live at this moment. Yet Sorcs are going to get hit by nerfs. Uggh I guess we sorcs will just have to go back to the drawing boards........ Well any ways here is the video proof. That sorcs are not nearly as powerful as players who don't play the class or hate playing against the class make it out to be........https://youtu.be/fGyo_ZqcgvY
Look, here's the deal. My stamina templar, allegedly the shittiest dps class in the game does more dps than most really good sorcs do, with better survivability. I don't think they're op. I think they're a really decent class that's much easier to get good with. Whereas stamina templar is a really good class, but takes considerably more knowledge and practice to get good with. (Most people play stamplar like other stam classes, probably why they aren't scoring high dps). Hell, here is an example. With just fracture buff (basically like ele drain but no resource return) I was parsing 42k dps with *** trait weapons.
I don't think they're OP, I think sorc is just a more streamlined easymode dps class. I want to assure you OP that 99% of all the sorc hate on these forums atm has to do with the fact that zenimax has done nearly no class adjustments to sorc in the pts. ...And that the crux of the matter is that they're putting the changes too late in the pts intentionally.
My personal concern is that they'll either overbuff the sorcs, or nerf them into elderscolls IV. Atm sorcs are towering over the other classes and with this unknown update to them there is just a lot of tension in the air.
For the record, I don't play a sorc. But they're awesome for trials and I don't want to see them harmed as a class, however a lack of harm is a huge gunshot to the head of anyone that doesn't main a sorc. This puts us at a pretty akward spot. I don't really want to comment on the matter more so than I already have as I have extremely mixed feelings on the matter.
On 1 hand, classes need to be balanced. On the other, sorcs are the ONLY solid performing ranged dps atm and any nerfs would in all legitimacy harm raid guilds across the board.
I see you point of view. And thank you for not following the rest of the crowd and just scream kill the sorcs.
On a more serious note. I do think that classes should be rebalanced. However the way ZOS has proven then only way they know how to balance.[This is not only a ZOS thing either, as most companies do this as well.] Either by over nerfing or over buffing, then leave said changes for at least 6 months in most cases. Just makes me a bit weary at best.
And for the records. I haven't mained Sorc in a long long while say since the DB DLC. I've moved to Templar, more so magicka templar. [I've always just been the person who gravitate towards the mage.
In this game's case the ranged mage is the most hated arch-type therefor unless you are blob v blobing their is no such thing as ranged fighting, ganking maybe buy not actually fighting.] I'll say my secondary focus atm is NBs, and DKs, more so DKs just seems more forgiven then sorc atm. But yeah, I thought I'd just cleared that up, just for defecation and giggles.[as the censored version goes]
Will have to wait for the natch potes to drop. But even before, while other classes was so much better at 1vXing then sorcs. People in mass banded together to get sorcs nerfed over and over and over again. Pretty soon as you say the masses will get their way. And their will be no competitive ranged dps in trials or in small/solo PvP, which I think is the point. People just hate ranged classes when they play as melee. Which I find funny since gap closers are very spammable and ranged. Anyways thanks for the civil post. @Ep1kMalware0 -
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✭I play a mSorc exclusively. I want the devs to do more to give Sorcs, NBs, and DKs better healing utility and to give Sorcs, NBs, and Templars better tanking utility, so that they can be desirable choices for those roles in end game content. At the same time, I can appreciate why equalizing the damage dealing role is something more players desire, mainly because you need about 8 damage dealers in a trial but only 2 healers and 2 tanks. I do think that until the other role abilities are more equalized more between all classes, those that only excel at damage dealing (Sorcs and NBs) should be stronger in that respect, but not to the point that taking a Templar or DK as a damage dealer would be a significant disadvantage.
I do also agree with this line of thinking of yours. However most players are not thinking about balance at all. It clearly shows. When you look at alot of these posts. Loads of them somewhat reads like.... I don't like sorc so kill it off so I don't have to compete with it in PvE and PvP.
Right now in Cyrodiil trying to complete a kill quest for the god mode easy sorcerers is a nightmare. Rarely do I see a sorc outside of a zergball. Mostly what I run across in Cyrodiil 1vXing are Nightblades and Templars. Why is there so few players running around on this easy god mode class? I don't understand, please help me understand this.Edited by FearlessOne_2014 on May 21, 2017 2:24PM0 -
lunalitetempler✭✭✭✭Takes zero skill to play sorc they are stupidity OP they need a serious rebalance and some seriously strong nerfs. Its going to happen.4
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✭FearlessOne_2014 wrote: »FearlessOne_2014 wrote: »It is all about how good the player is.. Bad ones are bad even if the class is good.
I agree but if sorc is as godmode OP as all of the anti sorcs claim. Then logically a bad player would be able a keep pace with a pro player, if not surpass them. Because the class is god mode overtuned. However this is not the case with sorcs to include pet sorcs.
Yet people just hate on sorcs just to hate on them. Because they are mad they got beat by one. Same story with the StamBlades to be honest. It's funny classes are nearly equal in terms of collective power. Yet people want to just nuke sorcs out of the game.
If this is going to be the acceptable norm by the classist community....
Then.
- Make templar have gimped healing ability..
- Make DKs have gimped tanking ability
- Make Wardens have gimped support ability.
Lets gut all of these classes and put them on the same level that people want sorc and NBs to be on.
That sound outrageous now don't it? But that's what yall are doing to sorcs. When other class are close in terms of damage, however outside of NB are beyond super effective with their primary rolo....[Tank or Healer]
Sorc should be 2-3k dps ahead of the other classes, not 10k+
Then by your logic. Sorcs should also be acceptable tanks and healers in trials. But they are not even close. And now yall keep campaigning to take away the only thing that sorc has going for it, damage. I'm sorry but you just sound like the other anti sorc players that just want the class deleted from this game.
@FearlessOne_2014 I would be quite happy if their dps came down in-line with other classes and they were viable for support roles. Every class can dps in any content, but tanking and healing is off limits once one hits vet trials?
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Rikkof✭✭✭Basically, a hater thread XD
Nothing to see here,c arry on ppl
Sorcs wont get nerfed, the rest of u L2P (op included)
IT WILL BE THE NB AND TEMPLARS WHO GETS NERFED, FOR THEIR ONE SHOT CYRODIIL TACTICS
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Sorc will never get nerfed because no reasons to do so
NB and templar = GUARANTEED NERFED IN MORROWIND because one shoting players in pvp
Cry more
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✭lunalitetempler wrote: »Takes zero skill to play sorc they are stupidity OP they need a serious rebalance and some seriously strong nerfs. Its going to happen.
Yes. But it is good that they are easy to play. It is that ease in autopilot that raises the floor. My stamina templar, pulling 46k dps is a different story. It takes a huge understanding of the class, and mechanics to make it so god damn good. I want to make it clear, that this class has a very very very high ceiling. Did you know that (at least from my tests in non bis gear) that caltrops lowers my dps? I balamce for both survive and dps so I either must choose between caltrops or potl on my bar. using caltrops ,y dps is 30k. same bar no caltrops 38k. Sub potl 46k. Do the numbers make sense? NO WAY IN HELL. But then again, my dw is *** trait and im usimg spriggan.
Sorcs, sorcs are perrrrfect for people that want good dps, but hate sving to have a near perfect understanding of their class, situational mechanics, AND a solid rotation. Despite being my most hated form of gameplay, sorcs usher in a great group role, and some play how ya want ba;ance. I love to micromanage my buffs, and love mele mechanics. So stamina templar is my personal flavor.
If you saw my templar, you'd csll it broken.
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