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Central grand exchange
What do people think about the idea of doing away with guild traders and instead having outlets to a server wide grand exchange. Guilds could bid on outlets and purchases made via that outlet would give the guild a cut, but the items available for sale would be drawn from a server wide pool of items on offer from all players selling items.... thoughts? Opinions?
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Cpt_Teemo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭What I suggested and many was just to have centralized marketers per zone in the major hubs of that zone in different locations of the city or outpost and pool every item from every guild trader into that centralized zone and removing the 100 item limit search so you don't have to flip that many pages.
That way we can keep guild traders and have more of a centralized AH but per zone.0 -
Linaleah✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭this idea pops up at least weekly. and while there are some of us who would love some version of it, there is too much of a strong cabal of people who prefer traders all over the place, becasue it allows them to have more of a stranglehold on the market
dirty worthless casual.
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Arundo✭✭✭✭✭No it does not need a global auction house, the current system is immersive and belongs in an Elder Scrolls game.1 -
Demycilian✭✭✭✭Yes, please. Alas, ZOS prefers a trade system that everyone hates, except those profting from it.1 -
Callous2208✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Demycilian wrote: »Yes, please. Alas, ZOS prefers a trade system that everyone hates, except those profting from it.
Those polls that pop up three times a week that suggest otherwise must be getting tampered with by ZoS.
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AzraelKrieg✭✭✭✭✭
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Demycilian✭✭✭✭Callous2208 wrote: »Demycilian wrote: »Yes, please. Alas, ZOS prefers a trade system that everyone hates, except those profting from it.
Those polls that pop up three times a week that suggest otherwise must be getting tampered with by ZoS.
Weird how those polls dont resemble the ingame sentiment one encounters. At all.0 -
Linaleah✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Callous2208 wrote: »Demycilian wrote: »Yes, please. Alas, ZOS prefers a trade system that everyone hates, except those profting from it.
Those polls that pop up three times a week that suggest otherwise must be getting tampered with by ZoS.
people voting in those polls have vested interest in keeping trade system as it is. if the trade were more open, they wouldn't be able to profit as much and as easily, as competition would be much MUCH biggerEdited by Linaleah on May 21, 2017 1:49PMdirty worthless casual.
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Callous2208✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Demycilian wrote: »Callous2208 wrote: »Demycilian wrote: »Yes, please. Alas, ZOS prefers a trade system that everyone hates, except those profting from it.
Those polls that pop up three times a week that suggest otherwise must be getting tampered with by ZoS.
Weird how those polls dont resemble the ingame sentiment one encounters. At all.
Weird how everyone I talk to in game is fine with them. Perspective.1 -
Callous2208✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Callous2208 wrote: »Demycilian wrote: »Yes, please. Alas, ZOS prefers a trade system that everyone hates, except those profting from it.
Those polls that pop up three times a week that suggest otherwise must be getting tampered with by ZoS.
people voting in those polls have vested interest in keeping trade system as it is. if the trade were more open, they wouldn't be able to profit as much and as easily, as competition would be much MUCH bigger
I agree, with an extremely open or even global AH type system, generally no one would profit very much. As evident in other games.Edited by Callous2208 on May 21, 2017 1:50PM1 -
Linaleah✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Callous2208 wrote: »Callous2208 wrote: »Demycilian wrote: »Yes, please. Alas, ZOS prefers a trade system that everyone hates, except those profting from it.
Those polls that pop up three times a week that suggest otherwise must be getting tampered with by ZoS.
people voting in those polls have vested interest in keeping trade system as it is. if the trade were more open, they wouldn't be able to profit as much and as easily, as competition would be much MUCH bigger
I agree, with an extremely open or even global AH type system, generally no one would profit very much. As evident in other games.
wrong. more people would have a chance to profit. its just instead of the few holding most of the wealth through monopoly, we'd actualy have free market that would allow for much higher participation. for both sellers AND buyers. as evident in other games. where particularly enterprising trade mavens STILL manage to rake in some major profits, they just cannot be as lazy about it.
that everyone in game that you talk about current system with... do they happen to be profiting ridiculously from that system per chance. you know... people in the same trading guild, or whatnot? rather then average players.Edited by Linaleah on May 21, 2017 1:55PMdirty worthless casual.
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Demycilian✭✭✭✭Callous2208 wrote: »Demycilian wrote: »Callous2208 wrote: »Demycilian wrote: »Yes, please. Alas, ZOS prefers a trade system that everyone hates, except those profting from it.
Those polls that pop up three times a week that suggest otherwise must be getting tampered with by ZoS.
Weird how those polls dont resemble the ingame sentiment one encounters. At all.
Weird how everyone I talk to in game is fine with them. Perspective.
Literally everyone? This feels like we found one of the guys who profit from the current system.1 -
Callous2208✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Callous2208 wrote: »Callous2208 wrote: »Demycilian wrote: »Yes, please. Alas, ZOS prefers a trade system that everyone hates, except those profting from it.
Those polls that pop up three times a week that suggest otherwise must be getting tampered with by ZoS.
people voting in those polls have vested interest in keeping trade system as it is. if the trade were more open, they wouldn't be able to profit as much and as easily, as competition would be much MUCH bigger
I agree, with an extremely open or even global AH type system, generally no one would profit very much. As evident in other games.
wrong. more people would have a chance to profit. its just instead of the few holding most of the wealth through monopoly, we'd actualy have free market that would allow for much higher participation. for both sellers AND buyers. as evident in other games. where particularly enterprising trade mavens STILL manage to rake in some major profits, they just cannot be as lazy about it.
Incorrect in my view. I've never seen a global AH system in a game that's not a garbage dumb for cheap items or a system where a few bots or barons control the rare item trade, skyrocketing prices to unreachable levels for the average player. AH system benefits the casual user looking for cheap, easily acquired goods and is overall more convenient. But it destroys those looking to make a decent profit or find deals on desirable items at a good price.1 -
Callous2208✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Demycilian wrote: »Callous2208 wrote: »Demycilian wrote: »Callous2208 wrote: »Demycilian wrote: »Yes, please. Alas, ZOS prefers a trade system that everyone hates, except those profting from it.
Those polls that pop up three times a week that suggest otherwise must be getting tampered with by ZoS.
Weird how those polls dont resemble the ingame sentiment one encounters. At all.
Weird how everyone I talk to in game is fine with them. Perspective.
Literally everyone? This feels like we found one of the guys who profit from the current system.
I'm not understanding how me profiting from a system provided to me in game would make me a bad person. Or for that matter why enjoying it would somehow tarnish my opinion. Yet your opinions should be taken as law because you happen to agree with the op in this thread.1 -
Vipstaakki✭✭✭✭✭
✭NO. We do not want an Auction house. We want the Guild traders to remain.
Please, please. Just take a look at the ridiculous amount of AH threads already created.Edited by Vipstaakki on May 21, 2017 2:04PM1 -
Draqone✭✭✭✭No thanks. The only thing I need is a much better trader interface, with the search being actually functional. I have no idea why it's so clumsy....ESO Balance:
“All skills are equal, but some skills are more equal than others.”2 -
Demycilian✭✭✭✭Callous2208 wrote: »Demycilian wrote: »Callous2208 wrote: »Demycilian wrote: »Callous2208 wrote: »Demycilian wrote: »Yes, please. Alas, ZOS prefers a trade system that everyone hates, except those profting from it.
Those polls that pop up three times a week that suggest otherwise must be getting tampered with by ZoS.
Weird how those polls dont resemble the ingame sentiment one encounters. At all.
Weird how everyone I talk to in game is fine with them. Perspective.
Literally everyone? This feels like we found one of the guys who profit from the current system.
I'm not understanding how me profiting from a system provided to me in game would make me a bad person. Or for that matter why enjoying it would somehow tarnish my opinion. Yet your opinions should be taken as law because you happen to agree with the op in this thread.
Since this is working for your advantage - of course you dont. Human nature in action. Doesnt change the fact that an unending string of complaints indicate that people feel this system is taking away from their game enjoyment. Which, in turn, calls in question what purpose this system serves in a game in the first place.Edited by Demycilian on May 21, 2017 2:12PM2 -
Cpt_Teemo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Demycilian wrote: »Callous2208 wrote: »Demycilian wrote: »Callous2208 wrote: »Demycilian wrote: »Callous2208 wrote: »Demycilian wrote: »Yes, please. Alas, ZOS prefers a trade system that everyone hates, except those profting from it.
Those polls that pop up three times a week that suggest otherwise must be getting tampered with by ZoS.
Weird how those polls dont resemble the ingame sentiment one encounters. At all.
Weird how everyone I talk to in game is fine with them. Perspective.
Literally everyone? This feels like we found one of the guys who profit from the current system.
I'm not understanding how me profiting from a system provided to me in game would make me a bad person. Or for that matter why enjoying it would somehow tarnish my opinion. Yet your opinions should be taken as law because you happen to agree with the op in this thread.
Since this is working for your advantage - of course you dont. Human nature in action. Doesnt change the fact that an unending string of comaplaints indicate that people feel this system is taking away from their game enjoyment. Which, in turn, calls in question what purpose this system serves in a game in the first place.
Yeah people spend like 95% of there gameplay time just searching the guild vendors, they really need to atleast make centralized marketers for each zone and remove the 100 item cap limit to search3 -
Linaleah✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Callous2208 wrote: »Callous2208 wrote: »Callous2208 wrote: »Demycilian wrote: »Yes, please. Alas, ZOS prefers a trade system that everyone hates, except those profting from it.
Those polls that pop up three times a week that suggest otherwise must be getting tampered with by ZoS.
people voting in those polls have vested interest in keeping trade system as it is. if the trade were more open, they wouldn't be able to profit as much and as easily, as competition would be much MUCH bigger
I agree, with an extremely open or even global AH type system, generally no one would profit very much. As evident in other games.
wrong. more people would have a chance to profit. its just instead of the few holding most of the wealth through monopoly, we'd actualy have free market that would allow for much higher participation. for both sellers AND buyers. as evident in other games. where particularly enterprising trade mavens STILL manage to rake in some major profits, they just cannot be as lazy about it.
Incorrect in my view. I've never seen a global AH system in a game that's not a garbage dumb for cheap items or a system where a few bots or barons control the rare item trade, skyrocketing prices to unreachable levels for the average player. AH system benefits the casual user looking for cheap, easily acquired goods and is overall more convenient. But it destroys those looking to make a decent profit or find deals on desirable items at a good price.
you do realize that you just contradicted yourself, right? the barons in this game control the trade far FAR more then they can in centralized auction. buy up good deals to resell them at profit. happens here all the time. just.. without the who convenience and affordable items for casual players part.
I have played multiple games with centralized trade system. not always auction house either. the only time monopoly works is when it comes to ultra rare items going for insane prices. not unlike those redguard filled book case designs. in all other cases - it normalizes itself. in part BECAUSE of its accessible nature.
trading in ESO for most people, especially newer players is like pulling teeth without anesthesia. and a large chunk of people make zero profit because they are excluded from the system all together.
oh and btw, all of you who are so convinced that most people are happy with traders as they are. why do you think these threads keep popping up? and they are started by new players just about every time?Edited by Linaleah on May 21, 2017 2:16PMdirty worthless casual.
Lois McMaster Bujold "A Civil Campaign"Reputation is what other people know about you. Honor is what you know about yourself. Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the ***3 -
Callous2208✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Demycilian wrote: »Callous2208 wrote: »Demycilian wrote: »Callous2208 wrote: »Demycilian wrote: »Callous2208 wrote: »Demycilian wrote: »Yes, please. Alas, ZOS prefers a trade system that everyone hates, except those profting from it.
Those polls that pop up three times a week that suggest otherwise must be getting tampered with by ZoS.
Weird how those polls dont resemble the ingame sentiment one encounters. At all.
Weird how everyone I talk to in game is fine with them. Perspective.
Literally everyone? This feels like we found one of the guys who profit from the current system.
I'm not understanding how me profiting from a system provided to me in game would make me a bad person. Or for that matter why enjoying it would somehow tarnish my opinion. Yet your opinions should be taken as law because you happen to agree with the op in this thread.
Since this is working for your advantage - of course you dont. Human nature in action. Doesnt change the fact that an unending string of complaints indicate that people feel this system is taking away from their game enjoyment. Which, in turn, calls in question what purpose this system serves in a game in the first place.
So in other words if they change it, then I come to the forums to cry about a centralized AH...I will then be the one who is noble and in the right. Good to know. When an unending string of us who have never liked or seen a decent global AH in action come here to fight for the downtrodden, I look forward to your changing position to support us.0 -
Callous2208✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Callous2208 wrote: »Callous2208 wrote: »Callous2208 wrote: »Demycilian wrote: »Yes, please. Alas, ZOS prefers a trade system that everyone hates, except those profting from it.
Those polls that pop up three times a week that suggest otherwise must be getting tampered with by ZoS.
people voting in those polls have vested interest in keeping trade system as it is. if the trade were more open, they wouldn't be able to profit as much and as easily, as competition would be much MUCH bigger
I agree, with an extremely open or even global AH type system, generally no one would profit very much. As evident in other games.
wrong. more people would have a chance to profit. its just instead of the few holding most of the wealth through monopoly, we'd actualy have free market that would allow for much higher participation. for both sellers AND buyers. as evident in other games. where particularly enterprising trade mavens STILL manage to rake in some major profits, they just cannot be as lazy about it.
Incorrect in my view. I've never seen a global AH system in a game that's not a garbage dumb for cheap items or a system where a few bots or barons control the rare item trade, skyrocketing prices to unreachable levels for the average player. AH system benefits the casual user looking for cheap, easily acquired goods and is overall more convenient. But it destroys those looking to make a decent profit or find deals on desirable items at a good price.
you do realize that you just contradicted yourself, right? the barons in this game control the trade far FAR more then they can in centralized auction. buy up good deals to resell them at profit. happens here all the time. just.. without the who convenience and affordable items for casual players part.
I have played multiple games with centralized trade system. not always auction house either. the only time monopoly works is when it comes to ultra rare items going for insane prices. not unlike those redguard filled book case designs. in all other cases - it normalizes itself. in part BECAUSE of its accessible nature.
trading in ESO for most people, especially newer players is like pulling teeth without anesthesia. and a large chunk of people make zero profit because they are excluded from the system all together.
oh and btw, all of you who are so convinced that most people are happy with traders as they are. why do you think these threads keep popping up? and they are started by new players just about every time?
Your grand generalizations do nothing to help your argument. I think you'll find that most of the vets in this game would like a better interface and search function, not the end to traders. I don't claim to know the situation on console, but pc has no baron trader issues. Deals are abundant and prices remain in check...well, until ZoS directly starts influencing them with weird updates to drops, writ prices, ect.0 -
Demycilian✭✭✭✭Callous2208 wrote: »Demycilian wrote: »Callous2208 wrote: »Demycilian wrote: »Callous2208 wrote: »Demycilian wrote: »Callous2208 wrote: »Demycilian wrote: »Yes, please. Alas, ZOS prefers a trade system that everyone hates, except those profting from it.
Those polls that pop up three times a week that suggest otherwise must be getting tampered with by ZoS.
Weird how those polls dont resemble the ingame sentiment one encounters. At all.
Weird how everyone I talk to in game is fine with them. Perspective.
Literally everyone? This feels like we found one of the guys who profit from the current system.
I'm not understanding how me profiting from a system provided to me in game would make me a bad person. Or for that matter why enjoying it would somehow tarnish my opinion. Yet your opinions should be taken as law because you happen to agree with the op in this thread.
Since this is working for your advantage - of course you dont. Human nature in action. Doesnt change the fact that an unending string of complaints indicate that people feel this system is taking away from their game enjoyment. Which, in turn, calls in question what purpose this system serves in a game in the first place.
So in other words if they change it, then I come to the forums to cry about a centralized AH...I will then be the one who is noble and in the right. Good to know. When an unending string of us who have never liked or seen a decent global AH in action come here to fight for the downtrodden, I look forward to your changing position to support us.
At least you would then have a case other then your need for profit and control? Might make you look better.
CheersEdited by Demycilian on May 21, 2017 2:25PM0 -
Callous2208✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Demycilian wrote: »Callous2208 wrote: »Demycilian wrote: »Callous2208 wrote: »Demycilian wrote: »Callous2208 wrote: »Demycilian wrote: »Callous2208 wrote: »Demycilian wrote: »Yes, please. Alas, ZOS prefers a trade system that everyone hates, except those profting from it.
Those polls that pop up three times a week that suggest otherwise must be getting tampered with by ZoS.
Weird how those polls dont resemble the ingame sentiment one encounters. At all.
Weird how everyone I talk to in game is fine with them. Perspective.
Literally everyone? This feels like we found one of the guys who profit from the current system.
I'm not understanding how me profiting from a system provided to me in game would make me a bad person. Or for that matter why enjoying it would somehow tarnish my opinion. Yet your opinions should be taken as law because you happen to agree with the op in this thread.
Since this is working for your advantage - of course you dont. Human nature in action. Doesnt change the fact that an unending string of complaints indicate that people feel this system is taking away from their game enjoyment. Which, in turn, calls in question what purpose this system serves in a game in the first place.
So in other words if they change it, then I come to the forums to cry about a centralized AH...I will then be the one who is noble and in the right. Good to know. When an unending string of us who have never liked or seen a decent global AH in action come here to fight for the downtrodden, I look forward to your changing position to support us.
At least you would then have a case other than your need for profit and control? Might make you look better.
Cheers
Oh boy. You just screwed the pooch with that one. Now my need to profit when using a games ECONOMIC SYSTEM in the way it was intended makes me a bad guy. All of your points are now invalid.Edited by Callous2208 on May 21, 2017 2:27PM0 -
Demycilian✭✭✭✭Callous2208 wrote: »Demycilian wrote: »Callous2208 wrote: »Demycilian wrote: »Callous2208 wrote: »Demycilian wrote: »Callous2208 wrote: »Demycilian wrote: »Callous2208 wrote: »Demycilian wrote: »Yes, please. Alas, ZOS prefers a trade system that everyone hates, except those profting from it.
Those polls that pop up three times a week that suggest otherwise must be getting tampered with by ZoS.
Weird how those polls dont resemble the ingame sentiment one encounters. At all.
Weird how everyone I talk to in game is fine with them. Perspective.
Literally everyone? This feels like we found one of the guys who profit from the current system.
I'm not understanding how me profiting from a system provided to me in game would make me a bad person. Or for that matter why enjoying it would somehow tarnish my opinion. Yet your opinions should be taken as law because you happen to agree with the op in this thread.
Since this is working for your advantage - of course you dont. Human nature in action. Doesnt change the fact that an unending string of complaints indicate that people feel this system is taking away from their game enjoyment. Which, in turn, calls in question what purpose this system serves in a game in the first place.
So in other words if they change it, then I come to the forums to cry about a centralized AH...I will then be the one who is noble and in the right. Good to know. When an unending string of us who have never liked or seen a decent global AH in action come here to fight for the downtrodden, I look forward to your changing position to support us.
At least you would then have a case other than your need for profit and control? Might make you look better.
Cheers
Oh boy. You just screwed the pooch with that one. Now my need to profit when using a games ECONOMIC SYSTEM in the way it was intended makes me a bad guy. All of your points are now invalid.
Oh boy, you based your argument on ZOS competence in game designing. Talk about screwing up.0 -
ofSunhold✭✭✭✭✭I don't mind so much when I'm looking for something I need eventually at some point maybe or maybe not, but I can't even tell you how much I hate this byzantine trade system when I just need 40 cotton, and it takes literally an hour to find them.
It sucks. SUCKS
The bids for those traders are also way, way out of hand.
But good luck OP. People can't even hear it anymore. We're stuck with what we have.Classes that don't need any class ability nerfs: Nightblades, Dragonknights, Sorcs, Templars, Wardens.2 -
Callous2208✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Demycilian wrote: »Callous2208 wrote: »Demycilian wrote: »Callous2208 wrote: »Demycilian wrote: »Callous2208 wrote: »Demycilian wrote: »Callous2208 wrote: »Demycilian wrote: »Callous2208 wrote: »Demycilian wrote: »Yes, please. Alas, ZOS prefers a trade system that everyone hates, except those profting from it.
Those polls that pop up three times a week that suggest otherwise must be getting tampered with by ZoS.
Weird how those polls dont resemble the ingame sentiment one encounters. At all.
Weird how everyone I talk to in game is fine with them. Perspective.
Literally everyone? This feels like we found one of the guys who profit from the current system.
I'm not understanding how me profiting from a system provided to me in game would make me a bad person. Or for that matter why enjoying it would somehow tarnish my opinion. Yet your opinions should be taken as law because you happen to agree with the op in this thread.
Since this is working for your advantage - of course you dont. Human nature in action. Doesnt change the fact that an unending string of complaints indicate that people feel this system is taking away from their game enjoyment. Which, in turn, calls in question what purpose this system serves in a game in the first place.
So in other words if they change it, then I come to the forums to cry about a centralized AH...I will then be the one who is noble and in the right. Good to know. When an unending string of us who have never liked or seen a decent global AH in action come here to fight for the downtrodden, I look forward to your changing position to support us.
At least you would then have a case other than your need for profit and control? Might make you look better.
Cheers
Oh boy. You just screwed the pooch with that one. Now my need to profit when using a games ECONOMIC SYSTEM in the way it was intended makes me a bad guy. All of your points are now invalid.
Oh boy, you based your argument on ZOS competence in game designing. Talk about screwing up.
Just stop, you've lost all semblance of rational thought. Your personal attacks against another players opinion on a system in a video game were too far. Now the root of the issue has changed once again. Now it is no longer my personal greed and need for control, (lol btw)this is a matter of incompetent game design by ZoS and my opinions are all made invalid due to the fact that you believe ZoS can't make a good game. /endthread Hopefully people will use the forums search feature next time.0 -
brandonv516✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭The current trading system could be much better. A centralized trader would be more enticing at least for me.
However this would ruin the people who RP (becoming these huge CEOs and having control of the market).
Craglorn becoming an unofficial trade hub through text chat was a nice change. You don't have to be in one of the top trading guilds to make a decent profit with this.1 -
ofSunhold✭✭✭✭✭@Alkaline_k9 wrote: »Lol what have I done?!
Poked the dragon. Just stand back away from the flames. It'll get distracted by something shiny - or somebody else will annoy it - in no time.Classes that don't need any class ability nerfs: Nightblades, Dragonknights, Sorcs, Templars, Wardens.1 -
Linaleah✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Callous2208 wrote: »Callous2208 wrote: »Callous2208 wrote: »Callous2208 wrote: »Demycilian wrote: »Yes, please. Alas, ZOS prefers a trade system that everyone hates, except those profting from it.
Those polls that pop up three times a week that suggest otherwise must be getting tampered with by ZoS.
people voting in those polls have vested interest in keeping trade system as it is. if the trade were more open, they wouldn't be able to profit as much and as easily, as competition would be much MUCH bigger
I agree, with an extremely open or even global AH type system, generally no one would profit very much. As evident in other games.
wrong. more people would have a chance to profit. its just instead of the few holding most of the wealth through monopoly, we'd actualy have free market that would allow for much higher participation. for both sellers AND buyers. as evident in other games. where particularly enterprising trade mavens STILL manage to rake in some major profits, they just cannot be as lazy about it.
Incorrect in my view. I've never seen a global AH system in a game that's not a garbage dumb for cheap items or a system where a few bots or barons control the rare item trade, skyrocketing prices to unreachable levels for the average player. AH system benefits the casual user looking for cheap, easily acquired goods and is overall more convenient. But it destroys those looking to make a decent profit or find deals on desirable items at a good price.
you do realize that you just contradicted yourself, right? the barons in this game control the trade far FAR more then they can in centralized auction. buy up good deals to resell them at profit. happens here all the time. just.. without the who convenience and affordable items for casual players part.
I have played multiple games with centralized trade system. not always auction house either. the only time monopoly works is when it comes to ultra rare items going for insane prices. not unlike those redguard filled book case designs. in all other cases - it normalizes itself. in part BECAUSE of its accessible nature.
trading in ESO for most people, especially newer players is like pulling teeth without anesthesia. and a large chunk of people make zero profit because they are excluded from the system all together.
oh and btw, all of you who are so convinced that most people are happy with traders as they are. why do you think these threads keep popping up? and they are started by new players just about every time?
Your grand generalizations do nothing to help your argument. I think you'll find that most of the vets in this game would like a better interface and search function, not the end to traders. I don't claim to know the situation on console, but pc has no baron trader issues. Deals are abundant and prices remain in check...well, until ZoS directly starts influencing them with weird updates to drops, writ prices, ect.
vets. or more specifically trading vets. you know the ones that are established, in trading guilds with good trader locations etc. the ones that trade enough to have no trouble eating a minimum and/or a guild fee. the minority in other words. my grand generalizations are not grand. they are however inconvenient for someone like you becasue they are not generalizations, they are facts.
interface issues are just a symptom of a larger problem. they are also fixed on pc via addons. the prices? the prices can be all over the place and the only locations they are stable are at those high traffic locations... where they are higher. pc has plenty of baron trader issues. you know with guilds holding multiple locations players trading on multiple accounts, buying up from the less convenient traders and reselling for very high markup at more high traffic locations, etc etc.
the problem is - the trade is scattered. casual trader has 2 terrible options. waste time trading in general chat at centralized locations. or join a trading guild that doesn't have a trader every week and when they do its in a middle of nowhere, becasue those are the only kind of trading guilds that come with no mandatory minimums and/or fees. casual buyer more often then not ends up having to pay your exorbitant markups, because most people have neither time nor desire spend couple of hours of their playtime in a day shopping for one of 2 items they need.
the problem is that current trading system is an equivalent of having to shop at the multiple flee markets hoping that one of them might have an item you need at a decent price, but becasue its a fleemarket - you have no idea. i mean there are certain items that pretty much exist at every fleemarket, but at most of them they are highly marked up, so you are also hoping that maybe just maybe one of those fleemarkets will not have those items sold out, and maybe will even have them at a decent price. this system benefits only those major sellers that have their large space at the most convenient fleemarkets, usually more then one market.
Edited by Linaleah on May 21, 2017 2:54PMdirty worthless casual.
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