The Dunmer House Telvanni vs Altmers Psijic Order

subtlezeroub17_ESO · May 2017

The Altmer and The Dunmer races can probably claim with all right to have the superior mages of all races in Nirn. Furthermore, both races are associated with two of the most powerful groups of mages around in the timeline.

House Telvanni has knowledge of ancient powerful magic and secrets that the mages guild could only dream of. Not to mention there society is for all intents and purposes a mageocracy. Only the most powerful mages can thrive in their society. In fact, Telvanni lands create homes high in the sky without stairs because it is said that only a mage who has mastered self powered flight should live amongst them in their mushroom homes. Self flight is difficult in its own right. That says a lot about how important magical ability is in their society.

The Psijic Order is an ancient and powerful organization. They were the first to discover mystic magic before it was even called so. Not to mention, they have their own brand of magic that is called, "the old way" . Basically, that's manipulation of the forces of nature and bending it to produce magic (or something like it).

So, who do you choose?

Loves_guars · May 2017

The Psijic Order

I'll admit levitating is cool, but I feel like the Psijic Order has a more deep knowledge of magic.

Nice post

zuto40 · May 2017

The Psijic Order

Not even a contest, nothing compares to the psijic order, if you said otherwise your nothing but a blind fanboy

vestahls · May 2017

House Telvanni

House Telvanni without question - both groups have big accomplishments, but the Telvanni are more involved with the world around them (however marginally) while the Psijics are mostly shrouded in mystery - which makes it easy to embellish or create the air of "what if". With the Telvanni you know most of what you're getting. They, ironically, seem more down to earth for me.

Besides, the Telvanni would never have made such a catastrophic faux pas to snub the grand-pa' of all necromancers and make an enemy. They're too practical for that and would have made the best of new opportunities - another reason I like them.

Tommy_The_Gun · May 2017

So I am going to pick between xenophobe - slavers and xenophobe - racist ? ?
Hmm.... They are both worth nothing...

"Other" vote options is missing....

Alp · May 2017

The Psijic Order

I picked the psijic order because they don't involve themselves with the rest of the world. When the war started they just effed off knowing they were better off not involving themselves with such things.

When the psijic order shows up you know the situation is serious.

MythicEmperor · May 2017

House Telvanni

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

So I am going to pick between xenophobe - slavers and xenophobe - racist ? ?
Hmm.... They are both worth nothing...

"Other" vote options is missing....

Slavery is one of House Telvanni's most interestering aspects! Dominance is their primary goal, both magically and physically. To assert one's will over another sentient being is a true expression of power, which as we all know confers right.

I would without a doubt take House Telvanni over the N'wah Order. Besides being culturally unique (fungal towers are the coolest architecture TES has to offer, IMO), they understand what true power is. Not petty political power that constantly shifts hands. No, they have truly mastered real power, which is dominance through knowledge. This is how they can stand the test of time and
live for centuries. This is how they can push the boundaries of magic. This is how they can defy the Pact and still practice slavery (over the N'wah "Pact Races"), which is an ancestral right. This is why they are superior.

Flameheart · May 2017

House Telvanni

MythicEmperor wrote: »

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

So I am going to pick between xenophobe - slavers and xenophobe - racist ? ?
Hmm.... They are both worth nothing...

"Other" vote options is missing....

Slavery is one of House Telvanni's most interestering aspects! Dominance is their primary goal, both magically and physically. To assert one's will over another sentient being is a true expression of power, which as we all know confers right.

I would without a doubt take House Telvanni over the N'wah Order. Besides being culturally unique (fungal towers are the coolest architecture TES has to offer, IMO), they understand what true power is. Not petty political power that constantly shifts hands. No, they have truly mastered real power, which is dominance through knowledge. This is how they can stand the test of time and
live for centuries. This is how they can push the boundaries of magic. This is how they can defy the Pact and still practice slavery (over the N'wah "Pact Races"), which is an ancestral right. This is why they are superior.

Well done, reflects my view of the world:

EvilCroc · May 2017

The Psijic Order

Ancient and respectful order of Aldmeri, or useless and pitiful group of Velothi outcasts?
Do I really see this silly question here?

TheNuminous1 · May 2017

Flameheart wrote: »

MythicEmperor wrote: »

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

So I am going to pick between xenophobe - slavers and xenophobe - racist ? ?
Hmm.... They are both worth nothing...

"Other" vote options is missing....

Slavery is one of House Telvanni's most interestering aspects! Dominance is their primary goal, both magically and physically. To assert one's will over another sentient being is a true expression of power, which as we all know confers right.

I would without a doubt take House Telvanni over the N'wah Order. Besides being culturally unique (fungal towers are the coolest architecture TES has to offer, IMO), they understand what true power is. Not petty political power that constantly shifts hands. No, they have truly mastered real power, which is dominance through knowledge. This is how they can stand the test of time and
live for centuries. This is how they can push the boundaries of magic. This is how they can defy the Pact and still practice slavery (over the N'wah "Pact Races"), which is an ancestral right. This is why they are superior.

Well done, reflects my view of the world:

Omg this makes me laugh so hard

dodgehopper_ESO · May 2017

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

So I am going to pick between xenophobe - slavers and xenophobe - racist ? ?
Hmm.... They are both worth nothing...

"Other" vote options is missing....

The Psijic Order are not xenophobes and I would like to add they are not limited to elves. Additionally, there are actually many Telvanni and other mages from other Dunmer Houses (possibly even ashlanders) who have joined the Psijic Order's ranks. The Psijic Order simply looks for members with a particularly high magical gift as well as a moral caliber deserving of joining their ranks.

On the matter of most powerful mages in Tamriel - Shalidor might very well have been more powerful than Vanus Galerion. It is clear Shalidor made a much greater magical mark on Tamriel physically than Vanus - though Vanus' school was more lasting obviously than the apprenticeship system that Shalidor attempted. I'd like to note Shalidor was a Nord and he had the selfsame high standards in many ways that the Psijics had.

Flight was not all that powerful a magic as well - but it may perhaps been mostly hidden to most of the populace.

Individual Archmagisters might very well be extremely powerful but I would argue that the Psijic masters in terms of sheer power are vastly over and above most because they are learning things at their highest ranks that fall into the realm of what the Dwemer knew or what Vivec and Septim understood. The difference is that the Psijic's choose to be reclusive.

Divath Fyr is very unusual among the Telvanni and it would not surprise me if he were a wayward Psijic given his unusually long life (even for a Telvanni archmagister) and his lack of interest in Telvanni politics. While he does have his own little Fiefdom among the Telvanni he seems focused only upon his own projects. Divath is one of my favorite npc's in the Elder Scrolls universe and I really hope he did not die with the dropping of Baar dau. I'd like to add that I believe personally Divath had mastered or nearly mastered the psijic endeavor given his long life but it could very well be he has learned something else alchemical or unusual given his wives alpha beta delta and upsilon and his observations on Corprus.

Demycilian · May 2017

The Psijic Order

Without knowing all the details, and from what i remember reading, i would think the Psijics to be the far greater force.
When the Maomer make their all out attack on the Altmer it's the Psijics intervention that helped save the Altmer and cripple the Maomer to a degree where they are considered all but finished. While the Dunmer will eventually get decimated and kicked out by the Argonians, without Telvanni having any impact on that (most welcome) turn of events. From that perspective the Telvanni seem to be mostly ineffective, while the Psijics know their moves.

WalksonGraves · May 2017

House Telvanni

Psijic ain't got no mushroom treehouse.

Takes-No-Prisoner · May 2017

The Psijic Order

Flameheart wrote: »

While I mainly play Altmer, I appreciate that Summerset is labeled, 'MAXIMUM N'WAH', ahahahhaha!

subtlezeroub17_ESO · May 2017

House Telvanni

Flameheart wrote: »

MythicEmperor wrote: »

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

So I am going to pick between xenophobe - slavers and xenophobe - racist ? ?
Hmm.... They are both worth nothing...

"Other" vote options is missing....

Slavery is one of House Telvanni's most interestering aspects! Dominance is their primary goal, both magically and physically. To assert one's will over another sentient being is a true expression of power, which as we all know confers right.

I would without a doubt take House Telvanni over the N'wah Order. Besides being culturally unique (fungal towers are the coolest architecture TES has to offer, IMO), they understand what true power is. Not petty political power that constantly shifts hands. No, they have truly mastered real power, which is dominance through knowledge. This is how they can stand the test of time and
live for centuries. This is how they can push the boundaries of magic. This is how they can defy the Pact and still practice slavery (over the N'wah "Pact Races"), which is an ancestral right. This is why they are superior.

Well done, reflects my view of the world:

Lol. And so continues the rivalry.

ParaNostram · May 2017

House Telvanni

The Psijics might know the old ways, being able to cast spells without needing to draw on their own magical reserves, but the Telvanni win for one simple reason... The Psijics have morals, where as a Telvanni might laugh theirself to death if you try to appeal to them on any moral ground. It's not so much what you can possibly bring to a fight that matters so much as your willingness to do whatever it takes to win.

KochDerDamonen · May 2017

I don't think 'the old way' is actually different magic. Just a less compartmentalized and divided way of thinking about it

Not to say the psijic order isn't mysterious or powerful.

zuto40 · May 2017

The Psijic Order

ParaNostram wrote: »

The Psijics might know the old ways, being able to cast spells without needing to draw on their own magical reserves, but the Telvanni win for one simple reason... The Psijics have morals, where as a Telvanni might laugh theirself to death if you try to appeal to them on any moral ground. It's not so much what you can possibly bring to a fight that matters so much as your willingness to do whatever it takes to win.

so what your saying is the telvanni can be crushed with nothing but a simple joke?

subtlezeroub17_ESO · May 2017

House Telvanni

ParaNostram wrote: »

The Psijics might know the old ways, being able to cast spells without needing to draw on their own magical reserves, but the Telvanni win for one simple reason... The Psijics have morals, where as a Telvanni might laugh theirself to death if you try to appeal to them on any moral ground. It's not so much what you can possibly bring to a fight that matters so much as your willingness to do whatever it takes to win.

Agreed. The Telvanni have no problem resorting to the blackest of magics to get what they want. Plus, I always felt like they are the most open minded in regards to less socially accepted magics.

Earrindo · May 2017

House Telvanni

I absolutely adore the Telvanni, ever since I first laid eyes on Sadrith Mora and visisted Divayth in TES III. They are ruthless, insane, powerful, bizarre and wacky, but they are SO much more interesting than any other faction we have seen

I suspect, if/when we ever actually get to visit Artaeum and interact with the Psijiics (TES VI: Summerset is my dream) I will like them quite a bit. Our limited interaction with them in Skyrim was certainly interesting. They appear to have a unique perspective to be sure.
However, we havent actually properly ever met them, just heard about them or read about them.

House Telvanni on the other hand we have met several times (and are about to meet again!) and I continue to enjoy them immensely. They are not everyones cup of tea and of course I need the perfunctory "I am opposed to slavery and do not condone it at all" comment but dang if they arent just the more fascinating group of people I have ever met in any game.

MythicEmperor · May 2017

House Telvanni

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

So I am going to pick between xenophobe - slavers and xenophobe - racist ? ?
Hmm.... They are both worth nothing...

"Other" vote options is missing....

The Psijic Order are not xenophobes and I would like to add they are not limited to elves. Additionally, there are actually many Telvanni and other mages from other Dunmer Houses (possibly even ashlanders) who have joined the Psijic Order's ranks. The Psijic Order simply looks for members with a particularly high magical gift as well as a moral caliber deserving of joining their ranks.

On the matter of most powerful mages in Tamriel - Shalidor might very well have been more powerful than Vanus Galerion. It is clear Shalidor made a much greater magical mark on Tamriel physically than Vanus - though Vanus' school was more lasting obviously than the apprenticeship system that Shalidor attempted. I'd like to note Shalidor was a Nord and he had the selfsame high standards in many ways that the Psijics had.

Flight was not all that powerful a magic as well - but it may perhaps been mostly hidden to most of the populace.

Individual Archmagisters might very well be extremely powerful but I would argue that the Psijic masters in terms of sheer power are vastly over and above most because they are learning things at their highest ranks that fall into the realm of what the Dwemer knew or what Vivec and Septim understood. The difference is that the Psijic's choose to be reclusive.

Divath Fyr is very unusual among the Telvanni and it would not surprise me if he were a wayward Psijic given his unusually long life (even for a Telvanni archmagister) and his lack of interest in Telvanni politics. While he does have his own little Fiefdom among the Telvanni he seems focused only upon his own projects. Divath is one of my favorite npc's in the Elder Scrolls universe and I really hope he did not die with the dropping of Baar dau. I'd like to add that I believe personally Divath had mastered or nearly mastered the psijic endeavor given his long life but it could very well be he has learned something else alchemical or unusual given his wives alpha beta delta and upsilon and his observations on Corprus.

BTW, Divayth Fyr isn't the Archmagister of House Telvanni

. That title is reserved for the head of the Great House; he has the rank of Master.

dodgehopper_ESO · May 2017

MythicEmperor wrote: »

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

So I am going to pick between xenophobe - slavers and xenophobe - racist ? ?
Hmm.... They are both worth nothing...

"Other" vote options is missing....

The Psijic Order are not xenophobes and I would like to add they are not limited to elves. Additionally, there are actually many Telvanni and other mages from other Dunmer Houses (possibly even ashlanders) who have joined the Psijic Order's ranks. The Psijic Order simply looks for members with a particularly high magical gift as well as a moral caliber deserving of joining their ranks.

On the matter of most powerful mages in Tamriel - Shalidor might very well have been more powerful than Vanus Galerion. It is clear Shalidor made a much greater magical mark on Tamriel physically than Vanus - though Vanus' school was more lasting obviously than the apprenticeship system that Shalidor attempted. I'd like to note Shalidor was a Nord and he had the selfsame high standards in many ways that the Psijics had.

Flight was not all that powerful a magic as well - but it may perhaps been mostly hidden to most of the populace.

Individual Archmagisters might very well be extremely powerful but I would argue that the Psijic masters in terms of sheer power are vastly over and above most because they are learning things at their highest ranks that fall into the realm of what the Dwemer knew or what Vivec and Septim understood. The difference is that the Psijic's choose to be reclusive.

Divath Fyr is very unusual among the Telvanni and it would not surprise me if he were a wayward Psijic given his unusually long life (even for a Telvanni archmagister) and his lack of interest in Telvanni politics. While he does have his own little Fiefdom among the Telvanni he seems focused only upon his own projects. Divath is one of my favorite npc's in the Elder Scrolls universe and I really hope he did not die with the dropping of Baar dau. I'd like to add that I believe personally Divath had mastered or nearly mastered the psijic endeavor given his long life but it could very well be he has learned something else alchemical or unusual given his wives alpha beta delta and upsilon and his observations on Corprus.

BTW, Divayth Fyr isn't the Archmagister of House Telvanni . That title is reserved for the head of the Great House; he has the rank of Master.

Good point. Either way he's the zenith of Telvanni awesomeness, and they all know it.

subtlezeroub17_ESO · May 2017

House Telvanni

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

MythicEmperor wrote: »

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

So I am going to pick between xenophobe - slavers and xenophobe - racist ? ?
Hmm.... They are both worth nothing...

"Other" vote options is missing....

The Psijic Order are not xenophobes and I would like to add they are not limited to elves. Additionally, there are actually many Telvanni and other mages from other Dunmer Houses (possibly even ashlanders) who have joined the Psijic Order's ranks. The Psijic Order simply looks for members with a particularly high magical gift as well as a moral caliber deserving of joining their ranks.

On the matter of most powerful mages in Tamriel - Shalidor might very well have been more powerful than Vanus Galerion. It is clear Shalidor made a much greater magical mark on Tamriel physically than Vanus - though Vanus' school was more lasting obviously than the apprenticeship system that Shalidor attempted. I'd like to note Shalidor was a Nord and he had the selfsame high standards in many ways that the Psijics had.

Flight was not all that powerful a magic as well - but it may perhaps been mostly hidden to most of the populace.

Individual Archmagisters might very well be extremely powerful but I would argue that the Psijic masters in terms of sheer power are vastly over and above most because they are learning things at their highest ranks that fall into the realm of what the Dwemer knew or what Vivec and Septim understood. The difference is that the Psijic's choose to be reclusive.

Divath Fyr is very unusual among the Telvanni and it would not surprise me if he were a wayward Psijic given his unusually long life (even for a Telvanni archmagister) and his lack of interest in Telvanni politics. While he does have his own little Fiefdom among the Telvanni he seems focused only upon his own projects. Divath is one of my favorite npc's in the Elder Scrolls universe and I really hope he did not die with the dropping of Baar dau. I'd like to add that I believe personally Divath had mastered or nearly mastered the psijic endeavor given his long life but it could very well be he has learned something else alchemical or unusual given his wives alpha beta delta and upsilon and his observations on Corprus.

BTW, Divayth Fyr isn't the Archmagister of House Telvanni . That title is reserved for the head of the Great House; he has the rank of Master.

Good point. Either way he's the zenith of Telvanni awesomeness, and they all know it.

If I recall, he's also over 3000 years old. That's insane.

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