On May 22, our bank space will double.

Transairion · May 2017

Translation: Its a shame that ZOS wont give me free things. I want to pay whenever I feel like, if at all and still net the same benefits as those who pay regularly.

Every other Buy to Play game in existence is self aware enough to not ignore the half (or more) of their players that only paid the base price... alienating them won't encourage them to splurge on cosmetics or random boxes. Same benefits, don't put words in my mouth. I just want a bank that isn't mostly crafting materials why maxed out on space and throwing most materials away.

Give subs 1000 Bank Space as a sub perk I don't care, but at least give non subs higher bank space to buy in game. They've also raised bank space in the past, not as a sub or Crown feature but for every single player. Subs should have an advantage, not the only option.

Even a trainwreck like SWTOR was smart enough to add universal higher storage with their housing, ESO withheld storage and seems to be going the "well if you're not a subscriber you'll never see any form of increased storage anymore, LOL sucks to be you" route which is just sad.

Being worse than SWTOR in any way is something to be shameful off, that is a game that scarified everything about itself to design and sell more Random Boxes.

Simple story. ESO+ is fair.

Free to play means more that you can test the game and that you can even play if your money is to low in a month.

The intention was never that you can play a Game Costless like a Paying Customer.

I guess all that money I paid for ESO was just imaginary then? Cost more than any other full-priced game, a lot more even.

ESO isn't Free to Play, it shouldn't rely on F2P cash grab systems.

ESO+ is a perk, giving them more storage is fine. Give them unlimited storage, but at least give the base players more too. Housing isn't sub only, housing storage wouldn't be sub only (unless they get insanely greedy) so throw us a bone here? ESO+ can be better, a lot better, but don't leave other paying customers with nothing.

Or go Free to Play, then you can do whatever you want because it'll be free. But don't pretend to be F2P then ask for money upfront.

Entitled much? Why did you put in quotes 'not a "valuable enough customer"'?

You are implying you are, but quote it to make it seem ZOS does not. Freeloading is not being a customer - you either provide regular revenue or you do not.

If you do provide regular revenue, via crown store purchases - I'd say yep, you're a customer, even without a sub. But if you make regular crown store purchases to be a customer, then what is your beef with subbing? A sub is essentially pre purchase 1500 crowns, even if none of the sub benefits mattered - you're buying 1500 crowns basically.

If you don't buy on crown store and you don't sub - then yea, you're not as 'valuable a customer' as others. What part of that is not clear? Why do you feel entitled to the same benefits as customers who do provide more regular revenue to ZOS?

No idea if you're a millennial, and I won't tar the entire generation as same, but your attitude embodies the entitlement craze that seems to have swept many in the delusion you should earn the same rewards for less participation. The trophies for everyone syndrome.

Again, ESO is not free to play. I paid money, a lot of money for the "right" to play. LOL back at launch you had to pay for an empty box, then pay on top of that for the sub to actually play it at all. Sub-only ESO was a miserable failure and went B2P within a year.

You also conveniently ignored the entire point I made: ESO+ being better is not a problem. Being the only option is a problem.

Storage amount has been raised for ALL PLAYERS before. Storage was purposefully left out of housing. Craft bag alone opens up insane storage, ESO+ bank boost will open up even more. But non-ESO+ is left with the same storage cap as several years ago which hasn't been sufficient for the longest time. Just a reminder, pre-crafting bag subs and non-subs were unanimously begging for more space because they had the same space back then and everyone hated the limit.

I'm not asking for non-subs to get the same perks as ESO+: I'm just asking for ESO+ to get better QOL changes, and non-subs to get worse ones. "You will never get more storage, ever, unless you are ESO+" is a *** way to treat your players.

ESO+ can have 1000 storage space for all I care, but regular players should have higher than what they have... especially since it's mostly stuffed with crafting materials without craft bag.

Banana · May 2017

I don't need it. But a perks a perk so I'll take it.

notimetocare · May 2017

Jamascus wrote: »

Gothlander wrote: »

Are there any other perks coming for subscribers?

When the housing patch went live people asked why inventory space wasn't included with a house, which is largely the reason a lot of players would even consider a house. ESO stated that they checked and most people had not unlocked all the inventory space on their characters so they thought we didn't need it. The players then explained they had not unlocked it because it was too much of a gold sink. ZOS response was to add it to the ESO+ perks, a pure cash grab and cynical to it's core. ZOS really doesn't understand how to run an MMO, they monetize everything which alienates the players and is detrimental to overall game health.

Comedy gold my friend...
Most MMORPGS are: sub-only or very limited F2P with most unlocks being cash only
ZoS is actually really good at not making any purchases mandatory
Housing was handled mostly good as well. Its all vanity, not mandatory for player efficacy, and everything except a few premium items can be farmed. Almost all housing can be bought for gold.
ESO+ is handled far better than I expected. It isnt required and offers very little in terms of character power (small xp boost)

Transairion · May 2017

ESO+ is handled far better than I expected. It isnt required and offers very little in terms of character power (small xp boost)

While I agree ESO is better than most because it allows you play unsubbed without being a 4th class citizen (at which point it's really sub or not play period), ESO+ is a way bigger benefit than you give it credit.

ESO+ gives:
- more experience from mobs (not sure if quests too)
- more gold from mobs
- reduced crafting reseach timers
- Costume Dyeing
- Crafting Bag which alone creates a MASSIVE amount of free space and allows you to hoard every crafting item with no downside
- "Free" Crowns to buy cosmetics or gamble on boxes
- Access to all DLC content without having to pay for them (Morrowind isn't included due to Zenimax deciding it's "not a DLC")

ESO+ actually gives subs a lot of benefits, especially when compared to certain other MMO's which decided "subs are the base game, any non-sub option we'll just restrict the base game GENIUS" and you're beaten over the head to sub or leave.

If ESO decides as a game to shift into "Well we'll never make any QoL changes that aren't sub exclusive because $$$" then they'll just alienate players like every other MMO that has done it has. Loses money, has to get even greedier to make ends meet (SWTOR dropped it's required subscription, charged for DLC on top of existing subs, THEN made new story after those DLC sub-exclusive and pretended to be sub-only again) starts a game killing spiral.

But hey, I'm all for sub benefits. But the playerbase as a whole has been asking for more storage, storage is a staple of housing, so just cutting storage in favor of "well if you sub you get even more than crafting bag provides, gives us $$$" you can't expect everyone to just go along with it quietly.

Even if you want to charge for it, why can't increased storage for all be part of DLC content? Chapters like Morrowind? ESO+ is really specific catering to only a single kind of customer.

notimetocare · May 2017

Transairion wrote: »

ESO+ is handled far better than I expected. It isnt required and offers very little in terms of character power (small xp boost)

While I agree ESO is better than most because it allows you play unsubbed without being a 4th class citizen (at which point it's really sub or not play period), ESO+ is a way bigger benefit than you give it credit.

ESO+ gives:
- more experience from mobs (not sure if quests too)
- more gold from mobs
- reduced crafting reseach timers
- Costume Dyeing
- Crafting Bag which alone creates a MASSIVE amount of free space and allows you to hoard every crafting item with no downside
- "Free" Crowns to buy cosmetics or gamble on boxes
- Access to all DLC content without having to pay for them (Morrowind isn't included due to Zenimax deciding it's "not a DLC")

ESO+ actually gives subs a lot of benefits, especially when compared to certain other MMO's which decided "subs are the base game, any non-sub option we'll just restrict the base game GENIUS" and you're beaten over the head to sub or leave.

If ESO decides as a game to shift into "Well we'll never make any QoL changes that aren't sub exclusive because $$$" then they'll just alienate players like every other MMO that has done it has. Loses money, has to get even greedier to make ends meet (SWTOR dropped it's required subscription, charged for DLC on top of existing subs, THEN made new story after those DLC sub-exclusive and pretended to be sub-only again) starts a game killing spiral.

But hey, I'm all for sub benefits. But the playerbase as a whole has been asking for more storage, storage is a staple of housing, so just cutting storage in favor of "well if you sub you get even more than crafting bag provides, gives us $$$" you can't expect everyone to just go along with it quietly.

Keywords: character. power.

Honestly, craftbag and bankspace are really the only big QoL issues, but we all managed our inventory prior and non-sub isnt more restrictive than before.

Transairion · May 2017

Keywords: character. power.

Honestly, craftbag and bankspace are really the only big QoL issues, but we all managed our inventory prior and non-sub isnt more restrictive than before.

ESO+ is a way bigger benefit than you give it credit.

ESO+/Sub giving character power would be direct pay to win, I don't think we should be getting on our knees in praise for a lack of something as corrupt as that. But that's just me personally.

Non-subs are more restricted in the same way subs alike are: new DLC, New Chapters, new base game updates all add new items that need to be stored. Storage has only grown for ESO+ holders though: a non-sub could have to try and store all base game crafting materials, + all DLC materials, + Morrowind materials. That's being completely ignorant of every other item that can be stored.

For me personally, my maxed Bank/Horse/Bag space is almost entirely devoted to green-quality and up crafting mats (I don't keep all the actual materials needed to craft anymore, there just isn't any space for them). I'm going to have to use all my spare character slots to create "mules" who's sole purpose is inventory storage of what can't fit in the Bank.

It's unfortunate but the difference between ESO+ storage and everyone else's storage is drastic, even with just a crafting bag. Double space for ESO+ just widens that even further. Again, I'm not against ESO+ getting that benefit if base players got some bare-bones increase as well.

I imagine the reason ESO+ can't just have 1000 storage as a base and non-subs 500 (if all upgrades maxed) is a coding/server space issue, rather than "we just want to limit storage".

AlienSlof · May 2017

Feanor wrote: »

It's a good thing. More space to store all that prosperous and training CP 160 loot and all the non-sharpened vMA weapons

Why would you save that rubbish? Its mats from deconning are worth more!

Furinol · May 2017

kynseon wrote: »

Or make it so your house can hold items? You paid so much money for a house that cant hold any gear, that make sense. I want to be able to put up my gear and costumes and look at it.

Agreed, housing has been an extreme disappointment.

Elsonso · May 2017

Blanco wrote: »

I like this game a lot but I think it's one thing we can agree on this game has a stupidly low amount of bag space.

Stupidly low.

I have to disagree here.

For new players and leveling characters, I think that the bag space is about right. This is based on the idea that I should not be able to carry everything and that I should have to make decisions about what to keep and what to throw out. As my needs expand, I can expand my storage space, but I still need to be mindful of what I am keeping, and whether I really need to keep it.

For ESO Plus members, I think that there is more than enough storage for items. This account-wide crafting bag that ESO Plus members get is over-the-top. I don't have to give any thought to farming resources. Whether I want it or not, I just stick it away in my bag of holding and forget about it. I have stuff in there that I can't even remember what I am supposed to be using it for.

For people who are not ESO Plus, a maxed bag and bank is a large amount of storage, for anyone practiced in making these sorts of decisions. Still, it requires that the player make decisions about what to keep and what to throw out.

No MMORPG game should be Hoarders Online. A core principle of an RPG game is making decisions that might change how the game is played in the future. Choosing what to carry, and keep, is part of that decision making process.

charlie_delta · May 2017

lordrichter wrote: »

For new players and leveling characters, I think that the bag space is about right. This is based on the idea that I should not be able to carry everything and that I should have to make decisions about what to keep and what to throw out.

For one character you are right. There is ample bag and bank space and yes you can expand it and life is good. But as you start building more end game characters it doesnt scale the same because you still only have one bank. That is where you start having problems.
In wow each character has its own bags and bank and you can mail between characters. With eso you cant mail your farm loot to your crafter to deconstruct, you have to put it in the bank. The same bank with all your other characters gear and no tabs to seperate or organise it. It's messy at best.
Also having lots of gear in this game is not hoarding. A huge part of the game is about the gear sets. The rng nature of the dropped sets exasperates it as you cant change traits on dropped loot. If im im not currently using my divines impen or sharpened set pieces im not going to dump them because of the extreme time and gold that was invested in them. Im not going to grind them again.

FearlessOne_2014 · May 2017

DannyLV702 wrote: »

Holy jeebus I am excited them they're making it really hard to live without that subscription but I'm loving it

No they are just making it more convenient to live with ESO plus. The life style without ESO will not and has not changed in like forever. So come people and calm down.

Also be thankful ZOS didn't take the common road B2P MMOs take these days. By allow players to flatout buy Maelstrom weapons and other end game weapons and sets from the crown store. For examples, GW2, BnS, BDO, KotOR, and more. ZOS took the high road for us and only put cosmetic items and quality of life items in the crown store, and not actually gear.

Elsonso · May 2017

charlie_delta wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

For new players and leveling characters, I think that the bag space is about right. This is based on the idea that I should not be able to carry everything and that I should have to make decisions about what to keep and what to throw out.

For one character you are right. There is ample bag and bank space and yes you can expand it and life is good. But as you start building more end game characters it doesnt scale the same because you still only have one bank. That is where you start having problems.
In wow each character has its own bags and bank and you can mail between characters. With eso you cant mail your farm loot to your crafter to deconstruct, you have to put it in the bank. The same bank with all your other characters gear and no tabs to seperate or organise it. It's messy at best.
Also having lots of gear in this game is not hoarding. A huge part of the game is about the gear sets. The rng nature of the dropped sets exasperates it as you cant change traits on dropped loot. If im im not currently using my divines impen or sharpened set pieces im not going to dump them because of the extreme time and gold that was invested in them. Im not going to grind them again.

I contend that the "problems" do not equate to "stupidly low". Problems lead to the need to make decisions. Deciding to keep something becomes "hoarding" when you realize, months later, you never needed that stuff, and yet you still want to keep it.

Part of making decisions is prioritizing what you want to do with the game. Do you want to keep gear sets? You know, you don't have to keep gear sets. Keeping them is a decision. If you are running out of space to store those gear sets, then you have a decision to make. ESO Plus? Are you going to toss gear? Are you going to create another account? Create 9 more accounts? Are you going to prioritize certain characters and concentrate on them, first, others later, because you cannot do everything at once? Decisions. It is important to prioritize and balance those decisions with what is possible, and what you are willing to do.

jcasini222ub17_ESO · May 2017

Complete derail: should I empty the bank before this goes live?

I'm pumped about double bank space but real paranoid about the potential of them wiping items when doubling the bank space.

Elsonso · May 2017

jcasini222ub17_ESO wrote: »

Complete derail: should I empty the bank before this goes live?

I'm pumped about double bank space but real paranoid about the potential of them wiping items when doubling the bank space.

Screen cap what is in your bank, log out, cross your fingers.

charlie_delta · May 2017

lordrichter wrote: »

Decisions.

You didn't address the scaling. Your whole arguement is 'decisions' and not about good gameplay. Your outlook favours simplistic play with one or two charcters but neglects a full charcter account.
One character gets 240 bank slots where 8 characters end up with 30 bank slots. Crafting mats get unlimited space but dont have a rng super grind attached to them like armor and weapons.
I do make decisions in dealing with this. I have eso+ and a second account i mail my farmed loot to then sell or return to sender for my crafter to de. Doesn't make it good gameplay wise.
I for one dont need unlimited max hoarding space, just equality bank space per character. Eve online had unlimited space. Wow has per character banks and you can have your own 1 player guild with bank. Eso has a broken system in this regard. My decisons should be about playing and having fun, not micromanaging gear storage in a game built around aquiring gear.

Elsonso · May 2017

charlie_delta wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

Decisions.

You didn't address the scaling. Your whole arguement is 'decisions' and not about good gameplay. Your outlook favours simplistic play with one or two charcters but neglects a full charcter account.
One character gets 240 bank slots where 8 characters end up with 30 bank slots. Crafting mats get unlimited space but dont have a rng super grind attached to them like armor and weapons.
I do make decisions in dealing with this. I have eso+ and a second account i mail my farmed loot to then sell or return to sender for my crafter to de. Doesn't make it good gameplay wise.
I for one dont need unlimited max hoarding space, just equality bank space per character. Eve online had unlimited space. Wow has per character banks and you can have your own 1 player guild with bank. Eso has a broken system in this regard. My decisons should be about playing and having fun, not micromanaging gear storage in a game built around aquiring gear.

It might not seem like I addressed scaling, but I did.

"Are you going to prioritize certain characters and concentrate on them, first, others later, because you cannot do everything at once? Decisions. It is important to prioritize and balance those decisions with what is possible, and what you are willing to do."

Micro-managing gear storage, including mule alts and secondary accounts, is part of deciding what you are willing to do.

You are not going to be carry and store everything in this game, unless ZOS just drops all max bank/bag limits. I will bet they are not going to do that. There will probably always be decisions, and that means always not enough space. Even if you are happy, there will be someone else who is not. There will be some game people can point to that ESO should emulate.

Bramir · May 2017

Why do people get so upset when gaming companies try to make money? Why should we get everything for free? Developers are expensive, and their salaries do need to be paid.

charlie_delta · May 2017

lordrichter wrote: »

"Are you going to prioritize certain characters and concentrate on them, first, others later, because you cannot do everything at once? Decisions. It is important to prioritize and balance those decisions with what is possible,

Micro-managing gear storage, including mule alts and secondary accounts, is part of deciding what you are willing to do.

You are not going to be carry and store everything in this game.

I'll say it again. One character gets 480 bank slots. Eight characters you get 60 bank slots. Yeah super hoarding right there bro!!

Eso the mmo where you can adventure to get the spoils of treasure but not keep it. Learn immersive mule creation techniques. Impress your friends mailing loot to your second account. Work hard to get your massive mansion but dont even think about storing your treasure there. It's a decision feature, you and your friends will love it!!

charlie_delta · May 2017

Anyway. Despite getting hamstrung with gear storage from my multiple character development I still love the game, I support it with eso+sub, 2nd account, crown store buys. I bought the collectors edition expansion. I thank zos for the bank increase. It still doesnt address the issues but hopefully one day...

Jamascus · May 2017

BuddyAces wrote: »

Jamascus wrote: »

Gothlander wrote: »

Are there any other perks coming for subscribers?

When the housing patch went live people asked why inventory space wasn't included with a house, which is largely the reason a lot of players would even consider a house. ESO stated that they checked and most people had not unlocked all the inventory space on their characters so they thought we didn't need it. The players then explained they had not unlocked it because it was too much of a gold sink. ZOS response was to add it to the ESO+ perks, a pure cash grab and cynical to it's core. ZOS really doesn't understand how to run an MMO, they monetize everything which alienates the players and is detrimental to overall game health.

Adding bank space is not greedy. I'll be the first to jump on ZOS's ass when they do stupid *** but this is definitely not one of those times.

They are not taking anything away from you. It's bag space ffs.

When did I say they took something away? I merely pointed out how it came to be and why. I actually cancelled my sub after they announced the double bank space and got a second account for $10. I have permanent double bank space without subbing.

Jamascus · May 2017

notimetocare wrote: »

Jamascus wrote: »

Gothlander wrote: »

Are there any other perks coming for subscribers?

When the housing patch went live people asked why inventory space wasn't included with a house, which is largely the reason a lot of players would even consider a house. ESO stated that they checked and most people had not unlocked all the inventory space on their characters so they thought we didn't need it. The players then explained they had not unlocked it because it was too much of a gold sink. ZOS response was to add it to the ESO+ perks, a pure cash grab and cynical to it's core. ZOS really doesn't understand how to run an MMO, they monetize everything which alienates the players and is detrimental to overall game health.

Comedy gold my friend...
Most MMORPGS are: sub-only or very limited F2P with most unlocks being cash only
ZoS is actually really good at not making any purchases mandatory
Housing was handled mostly good as well. Its all vanity, not mandatory for player efficacy, and everything except a few premium items can be farmed. Almost all housing can be bought for gold.
ESO+ is handled far better than I expected. It isnt required and offers very little in terms of character power (small xp boost)

What I said is indeed how it went down. The problem is that when presented with a choice to make the game better for the players, they monetize it. They could have just as easily said, you know what, we understand the gold sink is too high for more storage and lowered the cost of upgrading. Instead, they added it to eso+. Will that bring more subs, perhaps? I cancelled mine.

Eshelmen · May 2017

^ I pay for convenience. I don't need to save a few bucks by constantly logging off and using mules. I'll happily pay the convenience fee.

Under three days to go! Woot woot!

Taleof2Cities · May 2017

Lynx7386 wrote: »

Bank space will double, so you'll now have room for all of those dps sets that are no longer worth equipping because you cant sustain with them.

You, good sir, get an insightful ...

SteveCampsOut · May 2017

Transairion wrote: »

ESO+ is handled far better than I expected. It isnt required and offers very little in terms of character power (small xp boost)

While I agree ESO is better than most because it allows you play unsubbed without being a 4th class citizen (at which point it's really sub or not play period), ESO+ is a way bigger benefit than you give it credit.

ESO+ gives:
- more experience from mobs (not sure if quests too)
- more gold from mobs
- reduced crafting reseach timers
- Costume Dyeing
- Crafting Bag which alone creates a MASSIVE amount of free space and allows you to hoard every crafting item with no downside
- "Free" Crowns to buy cosmetics or gamble on boxes
- Access to all DLC content without having to pay for them (Morrowind isn't included due to Zenimax deciding it's "not a DLC")

ESO+ actually gives subs a lot of benefits, especially when compared to certain other MMO's which decided "subs are the base game, any non-sub option we'll just restrict the base game GENIUS" and you're beaten over the head to sub or leave.

If ESO decides as a game to shift into "Well we'll never make any QoL changes that aren't sub exclusive because $$$" then they'll just alienate players like every other MMO that has done it has. Loses money, has to get even greedier to make ends meet (SWTOR dropped it's required subscription, charged for DLC on top of existing subs, THEN made new story after those DLC sub-exclusive and pretended to be sub-only again) starts a game killing spiral.

But hey, I'm all for sub benefits. But the playerbase as a whole has been asking for more storage, storage is a staple of housing, so just cutting storage in favor of "well if you sub you get even more than crafting bag provides, gives us $$$" you can't expect everyone to just go along with it quietly.

Even if you want to charge for it, why can't increased storage for all be part of DLC content? Chapters like Morrowind? ESO+ is really specific catering to only a single kind of customer.

You're hypocrisy is astounding! You want stuff for free and yet you have the nerve to call ZOS Greedy for wanting the money needed to keep the lights on and the game growing. smh! The Base players got what they paid for already! Period. You can whine about having paid top dollar for the game but it's an MMO that has bills to pay, server to run and pay upkeep on. You act like it costs them nothing. Grow up!

Jurand80 · May 2017

BuddyAces wrote: »

Have folks I know who are subbed because of crafting bags. Good idea by ZOS.

thats me

Transairion · May 2017

You're hypocrisy is astounding! You want stuff for free and yet you have the nerve to call ZOS Greedy for wanting the money needed to keep the lights on and the game growing. smh! The Base players got what they paid for already! Period. You can whine about having paid top dollar for the game but it's an MMO that has bills to pay, server to run and pay upkeep on. You act like it costs them nothing. Grow up!

Hilarious you're claiming I want stuff for free when ESO is not a free game, and literally every player is a paying customer just like you. But again, subscription payers in any game also offering a non-sub think they're holy untouchables gods and that no part of the game should be touched unless it's catering to them only. You do know they increased bank space for all players in the past, right? It's called a Quality of Life update.

When ESO stops pumping out DLC (not free, for your info) and Chapters (Morrowind) then maybe you might have a point: but non-subs players aren't "leeching" anything, they pay just as much if not MORE than subs depending on their personal habits. You aren't a special snowflake for being subbed. I'm not a special snowflake for being a non-sub either.

I can only laugh when "but they gotta keep the lights on only subs can do that!!" comes up: you mean to tell me every other online multiplayer in existance can't support itself? Crown Store cosmetics support ESO by itself, ESO+ funds are chump change in comparison.

But again, I've had years of experience with the high and mighty subbers trash talking anyone "beneath them".

SteveCampsOut · May 2017

Transairion wrote: »

You're hypocrisy is astounding! You want stuff for free and yet you have the nerve to call ZOS Greedy for wanting the money needed to keep the lights on and the game growing. smh! The Base players got what they paid for already! Period. You can whine about having paid top dollar for the game but it's an MMO that has bills to pay, server to run and pay upkeep on. You act like it costs them nothing. Grow up!

Hilarious you're claiming I want stuff for free when ESO is not a free game, and literally every player is a paying customer just like you. But again, subscription payers in any game also offering a non-sub think they're holy untouchables gods and that no part of the game should be touched unless it's catering to them only. You do know they increased bank space for all players in the past, right? It's called a Quality of Life update.

The blind remain blind. You got what you paid for when you purchased the base game. Period. End of Story. Subscribers get what we pay for. Period. End of Story. Crown buyer get what they pay for. Period. End of Story. You cry because you don't get what subscribers get. Hence your crying because what we pay for you don't get for free. It's very simple. No Godhood involved here. No looking down of any noses. Just simple fiscal facts.

Epona222 · May 2017

I pay for a sub and get certain stuff with that, if you want that stuff pay for a sub. It doesn't matter how many $ you spend on crowns, the things you are moaning about and want come from having a sub - so if you want them, stop spending $ on one-off crown purchases (which most of the people complaining reckon they spend more on than the cost of a sub, so the issue isn't a shortage of money!) and pay for a sub instead.

Garwulf · May 2017

I subbed for a year from beginning of the game and subsidised the development of the Console Game. What did I get for my trouble... a Senche. Now at $180, that was some expensive Ride.

Epona222 · May 2017

Garwulf wrote: »

I subbed for a year from beginning of the game and subsidised the development of the Console Game. What did I get for my trouble... a Senche. Now at $180, that was some expensive Ride.

Since at that time it was sub only, there was another option for you, which would have been don't play. If you carried on paying sub, then you got more value out of it than a Senche mount - in fact the exact same value that the rest of us who paid the exact same sub got. No-one had a gun to your head forcing you to pay it, you chose to pay to play the game, same as the rest of us. You could have stopped any time if you weren't happy with it. I'd be perfectly happy if the game went back to sub only and dropped the crown crate nonsense, and people who think that because they bought a few toys they own the toy store.