The issues related to logging in to the European PC/Mac megaserver have been resolved at this time. If you continue to experience difficulties at login, please restart your client. Thank you for your patience!
Grim focus changes: buff or nerf for PvP magblade?
Neloth
✭✭✭✭
Okey, guys, let's discuss recent grim focus changes?
For those who missed them
Grim Focus:
You can now fire multiple Assassin’s Will or Assassin’s Scourge bow procs from a single cast of this ability and its morphs.
Increased the amount of Light or Heavy Attacks needed to obtain an Assassin’s Will or Assassin’s Scourge bow proc to 5 attacks from 4.
Edited by Neloth on May 18, 2017 5:54PM For those who missed them
Grim Focus:
You can now fire multiple Assassin’s Will or Assassin’s Scourge bow procs from a single cast of this ability and its morphs.
Increased the amount of Light or Heavy Attacks needed to obtain an Assassin’s Will or Assassin’s Scourge bow proc to 5 attacks from 4.
Grim focus changes: buff or nerf for PvP magblade? 37 votes
buff
29%
11 votes
nerf
64%
24 votes
I don't have an opinion yet
5%
2 votes
0
-
Neloth✭✭✭✭nerfBut still, I think one more thread will never hurt if it helps ZoS to change it before it's going live.0
-
magictucktuck✭✭✭✭✭nerfYeah i think they should have gone the route of if you cast the bow its refreshes duration. but still this is better than nothing if they brought it back down to 4 light attacks. or made it last 30 seconds1
-
Neloth✭✭✭✭nerfmagictucktuck wrote: »Yeah i think they should have gone the route of if you cast the bow its refreshes duration. but still this is better than nothing if they brought it back down to 4 light attacks. or made it last 30 seconds
And none of those will overbuff magblade PvE DPS, which is also very important.0 -
Izaki✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭magictucktuck wrote: »Yeah i think they should have gone the route of if you cast the bow its refreshes duration. but still this is better than nothing if they brought it back down to 4 light attacks. or made it last 30 seconds
Nah cause that would mean a perma Minor Berserk. That's too much. I agree with increasing the Duration to 22 or 24 seconds though. The most important part of it is for them to make the 5th light attack register faster, because right now, it often bugs out and you just refresh the buff.@ Izaki #PCEU
#FrenchKiss #GoneFor2YearsAndMyGuildDoesn'tRaidAnymore
#MoreDPSthanYou
#Stamblade0 -
casparian✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Sort of both. It makes it harder to set up burst (nerf), but less of a hassle to keep up Grim Focus (buff). We can adapt to this change, but I definitely wouldn't call it an unequivocal buff.
The real problem with nightblades in pvp is that they robbed us of our dual-resource sustain (i.e., we can't trade our primary resource for our secondary resource anymore, despite the fact that every other class's dual-resource sustain abilities were left intact). This won't be as big a deal for stamblades, who can get magicka back through other means, especially in CP-enabled PVP. But it's a huge nerf to magblades, and the Grim Focus changes are mixed enough that they don't make up for it. I'm still shocked at how ignorant Wrobel's comments about this were on ESO Live.7-day PVP campaign regular 2016-2019, Flawless Conqueror. MagDK/stamplar/stamwarden/mageblade. Requiem, Legend, Knights of Daggerfall. Currently retired from the wars; waiting on performance improvements.2 -
deepseamk20b14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭buffDepends. If you are weaving staff attacks it's way easier to do so than melee in PvP. I think mageblade ranged will be fine. Melee mageblade (or stam blade for that matter) will suffer.Hey everyone! Look! It's a signature!0 -
Xvorg✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭bufflooking at the brighter side, minor berserk doesn't go away after you fire the proc, which is good.
The extra weave could feel like a nerf, but I'm considering using good old torug's with oblivion wpn enchant
Sarcasm is something too serious to be taken lightly
I was born with the wrong sign
In the wrong house
With the wrong ascendancy
I took the wrong road
That led to the wrong tendencies
I was in the wrong place at the wrong time
For the wrong reason and the wrong rhyme
On the wrong day of the wrong week
Used the wrong method with the wrong technique0 -
davey1107✭✭✭✭✭
✭buffThe only way to answer this for sure would be to see ZOS's data. I'm sure hard numbers reveal which direction this takes us.
The buff/nerf issue also depends on how the other update 14 changes affect us (both stam and magblades). Under the current system, resources are unlimited. So I don't mind the recast cost...it doesn't affect me at all. BUT...with the new changes it might hurt to have to recast just to get another bow.
Overall, for my play style I'm considering this a buff on all my blades. Having it stay the full duration, including the help from the new buff tracker, and being able to fire bows without losing my buffs will increase my personal performance.
Also...honestly...there are bigger issues. My spectral bow damage stinks in pvp. Sure it's free, but given the complexity lining up the attack I'm better off just using heavy attacks.Edited by davey1107 on May 18, 2017 10:13PM0 -
TheBonesXXX✭✭✭✭✭
✭Buff to me. 5 weaves > cloak > lotusfan + conceal + assassins wil + soul harvest with weaves in between means it'll be up almost indefinitely for another huge part of the rotation if pulled off correctly.
now if only they didn't hard counter cloak so hard it wouldn't be an issue.0 -
Derra✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭nerfTheBonesXXX wrote: »Buff to me. 5 weaves > cloak > lotusfan + conceal + assassins wil + soul harvest with weaves in between means it'll be up almost indefinitely for another huge part of the rotation if pulled off correctly.
now if only they didn't hard counter cloak so hard it wouldn't be an issue.
1 shuffle evade on light attack
1 dodgeroll (2 la misses forced)
completely destroys the possibility to make use of it reliably. it´ll be way harder to time burst imo - if you use it only as a regular dps ability it´s an improvement though.<Noricum>
I live. I die. I live again.
Derra - DC - Sorc - AvA 50
Derrah - EP - Sorc - AvA 502 -
Sunburnt_Penguin✭✭✭✭✭nerfI really can't figure out how people think this will be a buff. Are you all weaving with a Resto?0
-
leepalmer95✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭nerfClearly a nerf.
Boost in dps which is great for pve.
Nerf in burst which is bad for pvp.PS4 EU DC
Current CP : 756+
I have every character level 50, both a magicka and stamina version.
RIP my effort to get 5x v16 characters...0 -
thankyourat✭✭✭✭✭
✭nerfTheBonesXXX wrote: »Buff to me. 5 weaves > cloak > lotusfan + conceal + assassins wil + soul harvest with weaves in between means it'll be up almost indefinitely for another huge part of the rotation if pulled off correctly.
now if only they didn't hard counter cloak so hard it wouldn't be an issue.
1 shuffle evade on light attack
1 dodgeroll (2 la misses forced)
completely destroys the possibility to make use of it reliably. it´ll be way harder to time burst imo - if you use it only as a regular dps ability it´s an improvement though.
Even if your light attacks are dodged the bow will still proc because you don't actually need light attacks to land to get the proc.0 -
HEBREWHAMMERRR✭✭✭✭✭nerfthankyourat wrote: »TheBonesXXX wrote: »Buff to me. 5 weaves > cloak > lotusfan + conceal + assassins wil + soul harvest with weaves in between means it'll be up almost indefinitely for another huge part of the rotation if pulled off correctly.
now if only they didn't hard counter cloak so hard it wouldn't be an issue.
1 shuffle evade on light attack
1 dodgeroll (2 la misses forced)
completely destroys the possibility to make use of it reliably. it´ll be way harder to time burst imo - if you use it only as a regular dps ability it´s an improvement though.
Even if your light attacks are dodged the bow will still proc because you don't actually need light attacks to land to get the proc.
This.
That being said, they need to add about 4 more seconds to duration of the ability to make it somewhat more reliable in pvp since they added an additional LA to proc. Essentially all they did is nerf our snare of this ability, I don't see many situations where we are going to get 2 bows off in pvp (not that the snare was that beneficial)
Edit : wordEdited by HEBREWHAMMERRR on May 23, 2017 12:24PM0