KingJ wrote: »

Come to Xbox we have 2 CP campaign .

You won't have 2 for long...xD

They probably don't hate CP. As is usually the case in game development, many of the systems they introduce are a significant investment in time, labor, and money. They want those systems to be useful and functional (and also fair to us as players), so things get patched and rebalanced now and then.

The campaign rebalances probably have to do with the data they collected during the stress test event a while back. And maybe they do want to involve CP a bit less. Maybe it'll improve performance. That said, I think it's a good sign a CP campaign still exists. It suggests they're interested in making it work for PvE and PvP alike as they continue to tweak the system.

OP is right. It does feel like ZOS is backing away from the Champion System, and that makes me so angry. I spent hundreds of hours grinding CP, and now they want to take that progression away from me right when they introduce a cool new feature like Battlegrounds? That's crap!

I think its more regret than hate.

Moving PvP to non-CP will help balance that side of things while also removing a major hurtle to being competitive. It's the right move.

On the PvE side, it's trickier. Obviously their first concern is how CP made resource management trivial. They want CP so there will continue to be progression, but as the CP cap increases, they are going to have to continue to adjust things to compensate.

I wouldn't say hate, I would say they're being weird and illogical.

Moving PvP to non-CP makes a lot of sense when it comes to balancing. It becomes much, much easier if you don't have to worry about additional damage reductions or traits like Befoul and Bastion and how they factor into the bit picture.

However, they're being weird because they still keep the CP campaign. Which means they STILL have to do the work of balancing CP for PvP, for that one version of Cyrodiil. If they have to do the work anyway, and presumably that work is good (hahaha!), then why limit battlegrounds to no-CP? Shouldn't there be CP and no-CP battlegrounds then? If they're keeping CP Cyrodiil? Just pick one. Make PvP CP, or non-CP, but not both, and balance accordingly. Because there's no way they have the skills to balance that, PLUS PvE, all at the same time.

Personally I feel they're very much aware of how much they've been getting away with up to now. Cyrodiil is a gory, unbalanced mess, so balance doesn't really enter into it when two huge zergs roll over the third, smaller zerg. But when they add a more or less structured 4v4v4 battleground, they can't allow the same degree of nuttery that they can ignore in Cyrodiil. Which means no CP in battlegrounds, to avoid the obviously broken things that they have no idea how to fix properly.

Overall, I think what's about to happen will fall under "interesting times" section.

No CP = less lag (double AP week experiment)

Battlegrounds' success will not be hampered by any lag caused by CP calculations.

We can all get behind having less lag, but can't agree on how, so this is the solution they came up with.

They seem to be steering the ship toward no CP in all PvP. Battlegrounds appears to be the re-education camp for this.

NordSwordnBoard wrote: »

No CP = less lag (double AP week experiment)

Battlegrounds' success will not be hampered by any lag caused by CP calculations.

We can all get behind having less lag, but can't agree on how, so this is the solution they came up with.

They seem to be steering the ship toward no CP in all PvP. Battlegrounds appears to be the re-education camp for this.

Not true there was no evidence of reduced lag per: ZOS..this was on a previous stream...

ZoS hates all the whining more than they hate CP. CP is their creation. They are going to like it. It's just all the Whaaaaa that has their attention now.

Kind of annoying since I only hit max-cp recently (and won't be max anymore with morrowind)..

But PVP is probably more balanced with no-cp (and will be easier to balance going forwards). They only need to tone down the guards and siege damage a bit imho..

Infinitely unkillable groups in BG would probably be the reason for the no CP.