ZOS how about you spend some money on anti-hack engine before pushing money grab DLCs?

cyx54tc · April 2017

for those who don't know, there was a massive hack wave back in 2016.

you can read more here if you want to https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/268218/permabans-being-lifted-zos-how-are-we-as-a-community-dealing-with-exploits-hacking/p1

Now. They "fixed" the issue by banning Cheat Engine.exe and moved the ultimate check to the server. But THAT IS IT! everything else remains the same. Resource pool, attack power, speed, regen, ect all remains on the client side.

While I know its pretty much impossible to move everything to the server at this stage. But please...please at least invest some money on anti-hack engine to prevent memory hacks.

Yes I know you can't use CE anymore. But you still can use some other memory alteration programs which I'm not gonna name.

or...even worse...you can cheat with less than 50 lines of Code without any 3rd party program by calling Windows API

Like ..

OpenProcess, then get all the pages using VirtualQueryEX, then scan the memory using ReadProcessMemory. Finally change it using WriteProcessMemory

That's it! 50 lines of code, fully working hack.

ZOS. PLZ, ANTI-HACK ENGINE, PLZ.

P.S. don't PM me to ask for the source code. Not gonna share it nor am I gonna use it.

Daemons_Bane · April 2017

So you want more anti cheat, for a fairer game, and then move on to tell them which program can be used to cheat?? 1 step forward and 2 steps back?

Tryxus · April 2017

necronomniconb14_ESO · May 2017

Daemons_Bane wrote: »

So you want more anti cheat, for a fairer game, and then move on to tell them which program can be used to cheat?? 1 step forward and 2 steps back?

We come together cause oppositesss... atract

IronCrystal · May 2017

Daemons_Bane wrote: »

So you want more anti cheat, for a fairer game, and then move on to tell them which program can be used to cheat?? 1 step forward and 2 steps back?

What he described is so generic, it does the same thing as what CE did...edit memory. I'm sure because of what he said now you are going to be able to hack ESO.

AlienatedGoat · May 2017

IronCrystal wrote: »

Daemons_Bane wrote: »

So you want more anti cheat, for a fairer game, and then move on to tell them which program can be used to cheat?? 1 step forward and 2 steps back?

What he described is so generic, it does the same thing as what CE did...edit memory. I'm sure because of what he said now you are going to be able to hack ESO.

Pretty sure the game devs have a better understanding of how cheats work and how to stop them than some random guy on the forums.

Minalan · May 2017

Pretty sure that 90% of the supposed 'cheating' out there is just competent players running some extreme cancer builds. You wouldn't believe what some of these sets allow...

LadyLavina · May 2017

Minalan wrote: »

Pretty sure that 90% of the supposed 'cheating' out there is just competent players running some extreme cancer builds. You wouldn't believe what some of these sets allow...

100% this ^

Gorthax · May 2017

Cheat engine gone lol think again. But I agree with everything else. They really need to do something and keep a firm stance on it and NOT unban people caught. Don't even give them a warning, just drop them for good

Ackwalan · May 2017

Phage wrote: »

IronCrystal wrote: »

Daemons_Bane wrote: »

So you want more anti cheat, for a fairer game, and then move on to tell them which program can be used to cheat?? 1 step forward and 2 steps back?

What he described is so generic, it does the same thing as what CE did...edit memory. I'm sure because of what he said now you are going to be able to hack ESO.

Pretty sure the game devs have a better understanding of how cheats work and how to stop them than some random guy on the forums.

But do they have the desire to stop cheating. Past observations would suggest, no.

Yolokin_Swagonborn · May 2017

Cheating is still a huge issue in the game and with battlegrounds, there is bound to be more players willing to cheat.

What ZOS needs to do is create a Zero Tolerance policy for provable cheating. Instead, they allowed known cheaters to return to the game or create alt accounts.

This is how you stop cheating.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1OimzDPqDiA

ZOS doesn't seem to care as much as other companies do about cheating. I would never have thought I'd praise a company once headed by John Smedley over ZOS but Smedley learned his lesson (with SWG NGE) where ZOS didn't learn a thing with Champion points and removal of softcaps. Seems like the passion for stopping cheating is not shared either.

Vapirko · May 2017

Honestly though, how many people do you think really cheat. I bet its probably not many. Most either dont know how or dont are to. Sure there are probably a few losers out there still doing it but who cares. Id rather it not happen of course but I bet overall that most people cant be bothered.

KingYogi415 · May 2017

They make more money from the console market so they don't care.

And there are all ready way to many in-game things they refuse to or can't fix.

Cheers!

Father_X_Zombie · May 2017

The OP hurt my brain with all the techno talk

Caligamy_ESO · May 2017

LadyLavina wrote: »

Minalan wrote: »

Pretty sure that 90% of the supposed 'cheating' out there is just competent players running some extreme cancer builds. You wouldn't believe what some of these sets allow...

100% this ^

Count the Meteors

https://youtu.be/ucv5uUsxorA

clocksstoppe · May 2017

Daemons_Bane wrote: »

So you want more anti cheat, for a fairer game, and then move on to tell them which program can be used to cheat?? 1 step forward and 2 steps back?

I guess OP knows what's up but has no idea how to communicate it. Let me explain, there is no single program to cheat with. You can grab a C++ compiler and start hacking the game through functionality provided by the Windows OS. OP is complaining that the developers have not spent any efforts in protecting the game client from hacks, but that's not the correct approach. Since the game is server sided, in theory it is literally impossible to cheat, provided the correct checks on player network requests are done server side. OP is probably angry about the devs missing one check that enables cheating, but asking for an anticheat technology for the client is just useless.

Shadow_Viper_vX · May 2017

PC Master Race though amIright? ;-)

Glad we don't have to deal with this on consoles. :-D

Turelus · May 2017

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

Cheating is still a huge issue in the game and with battlegrounds, there is bound to be more players willing to cheat.

What ZOS needs to do is create a Zero Tolerance policy for provable cheating. Instead, they allowed known cheaters to return to the game or create alt accounts.

This is how you stop cheating.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1OimzDPqDiA

No, this is a publicity stunt to drive marketing and sales. If you want to stop cheating/hacking you just get decent dedicated security team with people who are qualified in online security.

You have an in house GM team which have direct access to developers should they need it.
You have a hierarchy of lesser GMs and senior GMs, allowing players to escalate issues to a higher level for a final review and say.
You implement a clear system everyone is aware of, this can be a strike system to not ban everyone for a single mess up.
You actually enforce things and stay by your enforcements.
You give the team the cash they need for back end monitoring systems and data collection.
You don't have a corporate overlord who cares more about revenue than game integrity.

DjMuscleboy02 · May 2017

someone did an animation cancel cheat on me in pvp and took my stones please nerf nightblades next patch

cyx54tc · May 2017

clocksstoppe wrote: »

Daemons_Bane wrote: »

So you want more anti cheat, for a fairer game, and then move on to tell them which program can be used to cheat?? 1 step forward and 2 steps back?

I guess OP knows what's up but has no idea how to communicate it. Let me explain, there is no single program to cheat with. You can grab a C++ compiler and start hacking the game through functionality provided by the Windows OS. OP is complaining that the developers have not spent any efforts in protecting the game client from hacks, but that's not the correct approach. Since the game is server sided, in theory it is literally impossible to cheat, provided the correct checks on player network requests are done server side. OP is probably angry about the devs missing one check that enables cheating, but asking for an anticheat technology for the client is just useless.

you will be surprised how many things are client sided...since moving everything into server side is impossible the best we could have is anticheat engine.

Violynne · May 2017

cyx54tc wrote: »

Not gonna share it nor am I gonna use it.

By all means, go ahead and use it.

Let us know the results, that is, if you can after you've been banned.

There are several tools ZoS uses to determine hacks, which clearly they're not going to elaborate on.

You may not get caught today, or tomorrow, but you will get caught.

So go ahead and use those "just 50 lines of code". I triple dog dare you.

drakhan2002_ESO · May 2017

Shadow_Viper_vX wrote: »

PC Master Race though amIright? ;-)

Glad we don't have to deal with this on consoles. :-D

Enjoy your add-ons... oh wait...never mind.

necronomniconb14_ESO · May 2017

Gorthax wrote: »

Cheat engine gone lol think again. But I agree with everything else. They really need to do something and keep a firm stance on it and NOT unban people caught. Don't even give them a warning, just drop them for good

Supposedly the small numbe rof people unbanned thought they were behaving like "hactivists" or some shiz like that if its the guild that was unwilling to git gud and started using cheat engine to showcase it after accusing everybody that beat them of using it.

Violynne wrote: »

cyx54tc wrote: »

Not gonna share it nor am I gonna use it.

By all means, go ahead and use it.

Let us know the results, that is, if you can after you've been banned.

There are several tools ZoS uses to determine hacks, which clearly they're not going to elaborate on.

You may not get caught today, or tomorrow, but you will get caught.

So go ahead and use those "just 50 lines of code". I triple dog dare you.

Obviously they won't care, since the small number of people going to the trouble to do it will only be playing after morrowind because they can do it. Otherwise they wouldn't even be buying morrowind in their case. Losing interest to the point you quit is a self-imposed ban, the only difference between never playing again and being officially banned is the ability to pass things on. So most of them are not frightened, and only intend to do all of the content they are interested in the game and do not mind and in fact expect to be banned eventually (after a few years they are finally competent on average level about it) and hopefully past the point they lose interest in the game. memory editors will not allow the average person to boost or freeze their regen any longer anyways, which would be the sought after cheat after morrowind so you have nothing to worry about anyways since the few who will manage to do it (if it is sitll clientside) will not hurt you if they only blow through the new pve content in an enjoyable fashion and do something only the nitpickiest of 1337 nerds would be able to pick up on anyways in a trial or similar environment where their ep33n is threatened by it. And those 1337 n3rds are part of the reaosn for the conditions that would increase the demand for such cheat methods anyhow, so no one really cares how they would feel.

Syntse · May 2017

Wonder how many people have reported blobs for hacking because of his gank build

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjVEk9btigY

This game is not swarming of cheating people and it is annoying of course that some people do cheat. Putting massive resources into anti-cheat on MMORPG that is not eSports or similar just some competitive inside the game is really not worth the effort. We need to admit that this is not Battlefield, CoD or CS:GO and report the few possible cheaters there are.

There is not even market for cheats for ESO. One can google and see how easy it might be to get cheats to eg Battlefield 1 and then google for ESO. Not saying there should not be any anti-cheat measures and Zen seems to do some actions to prevent or make it harder to cheat. Adding Battle-eye or similar external anti-cheat in place might be overkill for this game.