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Should destruction staff abilities also coun't as elemental damage?

Nemesis7884
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....of the respective staff type - so for esxample fire staff destro abilities count as both magic damage and fire damage to make niche sets more interesting / viable to use (potentially adjusting some values).

It would also make much more sense from a logic point of view

(I discussed a similar topic in another tread but started this since i was under a wrong assumption, the title is missleading and i'm interested in people's opinion via poll)
Edited by Nemesis7884 on May 15, 2017 4:58AM

Should destruction staff abilities also coun't as elemental damage? 27 votes

No, leave it as is
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tspecherb14_ESOidkFoulSnowpawAtAfternoonCloudlessVipstaakkiBobby_V_RockitKram8ion 8 votes
They should count as magic and elemental damage of the respective staff type
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Nemesis7884falcasternub18_ESOTanis-StormbinderBriolaseFrenkthevileDisgracefulMindCoilboxldzlcs065Lusty 9 votes
They should only count as elemental damage of the respective staff type and not magic at all
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SodanTokmakrethAllu07neb18_ESOFlaminirEdziuThe_SaintEasily_LostCroniccrabTaylor_MBWhiteMage 10 votes
  • Magdalina
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    ...but destruction staff abilities already are elemental damage ;) The damage of most destro skills is defined by the staff type, whereas Force Shock is all 3 elemental damage types. They're not magic damage skills and they do not get buffed by stuff buffing magic damage skills.
    I think it's fine as it is, they're plenty op as is. Plus if you made elemtal damage also count as magic damage this'd likely buff sorc/templar/nb dps skyhigh as half/most their skills are magic damage ones with some elemental in the mix.
  • Oakmontowls_ESO
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    The only difference between magic damage and elemental damage is that only magic damage is boosted by the new war maiden set. Besides that they are identical in terms of being boosted by cp and spell damage/magika.
  • Magdalina
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    The only difference between magic damage and elemental damage is that only magic damage is boosted by the new war maiden set. Besides that they are identical in terms of being boosted by cp and spell damage/magika.

    Well any set buffing specifically magic damage would not buff elemental and vice versa, so that's something to keep in mind. Nor would a proc set proc'ing off magic damage proc off elemental, etc.

    However, all magicka costing skills get buffed with max magicka and spell damage(with exception of shields and I think pets, unless they fixed pets ignoring spelldamage completely).

    They did change the cp so that ele and magic damage is the same star so this buffs both now, yeah.
  • idk
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    No, leave it as is
    I do not understand what is being suggested here As others have pointed out the fire staff, all dstaff types, are elemental damage, not magika damage. It is why there are sets that boost shock damage or fire damage.

    The only place I see the damage types lumped together was in CP, though it used to be separated there but CP was also a mess back then as well.

    Essentially the first answer and last answer are identical.
    Edited by idk on May 15, 2017 5:38AM
  • Turelus
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    As others have said are they not already elemental damage based on the staff type equipped?

    I'm, happy with things how they are now.
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  • Wizball1987
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    Its odd that the skills say magik dmg until u slot them
  • CaptainBeerDude
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    Its odd that the skills say magik dmg until u slot them
    Probably because the element isn't determined until you equip them to a destro staff.
  • F7sus4
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    Okay. My guess is that OP simply wanted Elemental Damage to be boosted with sets providing 5pcs Magic Damage bonus. Most likely a Magicka Nightblade or Magicka Templar.
  • FrancisCrawford
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    "Magic damage" is a lousy name because it's inaccurate

    On the other hand, "Otherwise uncategorized magic damage" would be a lousy name because it's too long.
  • KochDerDamonen
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    This calls for a new Destro staff...

    Maybe a 'Innate' magic staff, that has class-fitting particles and deals magic damage? (Rocks for DK, Light for Temp, Shadows for NB and Dark for Sorc?) :p

    I would actually like that a lot.
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  • Rygonix
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    Not sure why they don't have Aedric damage type, since most templar skills seems to be alluring to that. I was looking at this one page on UESP: http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildEditor I noticed that Magic damage doesn't have a resistance listed. This is reminding me of Holy damage from WoW, which when there were resistances you could build into, Holy was not one of them, thus bypassed all damage reductions. There already is Daedric/Daedra damage, which does the same thing, so I don't see why there isn't a parity here.

    Edit: I am aware that this isn't specifically for damage staves, but the poster above me got me thinking about this.
    Edited by Rygonix on May 15, 2017 10:53AM
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  • IronCrystal
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    Magic damage and elemental damage are different.

    Some skills such as templar's puncturing sweeps are magic damage, whereas abilities like blockade of fire is elemental.
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  • Rygonix
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    Magic damage and elemental damage are different.

    That's my point. There is no resistance stackable for Magic damage, is there? Then what I am suggesting would be simply a flavor modification to something that already works this way.
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  • IronCrystal
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    Rygonix wrote: »
    Magic damage and elemental damage are different.

    That's my point. There is no resistance stackable for Magic damage, is there? Then what I am suggesting would be simply a flavor modification to something that already works this way.

    Pretty sure Spell Resist covers both magic and elemental damage.
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  • Rygonix
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    Pretty sure Spell Resist covers both magic and elemental damage.

    Nevermind, what I suggested would only work to confuse more than add any sort of flavor. I just found it odd when some tooltips talk about Holy, but have no indication that it is such and instead classify it simply as Magic damage. Perhaps it's for the best..
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  • Merlin13KAGL
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    The tooltip is asinine and counterintuitive, as they could have just subbed the words "elemental damage" instead of "magic" damage and filled in the blank with the actual type when a staff is equipped.
    It would also make much more sense from a logic point of view
    Except for the part where it's absolutely not logical at all.

    Elemental damage should be elemental damage, magic should be magic.

    Changing it to both would cause two problems, first, it would double dip in CP's (it would essentially have to deal two types of damage internally).

    Second, it would cause all of those niche sets you're championing to cease to be very niche, don't you think?

    Just because you don't like the way something is doesn't necessarily make it wrong...

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