Stamina NB with bow/bow, Viper/RM sets

Gargath · April 2017

Up to now I was effectively using Viper + Red Mountain full sets on my archer, but since some time I noticed they just do not hit as they were some time ago. Both my bow abilities and heavy/light attacks result only in 2 damages, main abiity and poison enchantment.
Was the Viper's "melee damage" fixed on bow finally? And Red Mountain rare Chance to deal damage also is so rare I can't see it in action?
It seems both sets, gathered with so much gold spent and efforts put, are now useless for my PvE build, which is sad

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lifeng · May 2017

Hello this configuration works it always because I am a lover of the archer; p

Merlin13KAGL · May 2017

Bow doesn't produce melee damage, and therefore should have never proc'd Viper.

If it did, it was likely a bug.

geonsocal · May 2017

Gargath wrote: »

Up to now I was effectively using Viper + Red Mountain full sets on my archer, but since some time I noticed they just do not hit as they were some time ago. Both my bow abilities and heavy/light attacks result only in 2 damages, main abiity and poison enchantment.
Was the Viper's "melee damage" fixed on bow finally? And Red Mountain rare Chance to deal damage also is so rare I can't see it in action?
It seems both sets, gathered with so much gold spent and efforts put, are now useless for my PvE build, which is sad .

not sure where it is in the patch notes - but, I'm pretty sure they fixed the viper armor set from proc'ing on a bow attack...it was a pvp issue...

I feel you on the frustration on having to switch up your build...seems the only constant in eso in the new gear grind...

I'm using red mountain on one of my archers - yeah, 10% proc chance doesn't sound so great at times...

scorpiodog · May 2017

Gargath wrote: »

Up to now I was effectively using Viper + Red Mountain full sets on my archer, but since some time I noticed they just do not hit as they were some time ago. Both my bow abilities and heavy/light attacks result only in 2 damages, main abiity and poison enchantment.
Was the Viper's "melee damage" fixed on bow finally? And Red Mountain rare Chance to deal damage also is so rare I can't see it in action?
It seems both sets, gathered with so much gold spent and efforts put, are now useless for my PvE build, which is sad .

Viper and RM proccing from bow attacks was a bug and yes, they fixed it in the homestead patch.

But I'll be frank with you - I've had full sets of RM and Viper sittiing unused on an alt character for months now because it just feels like something a completely unskilled player would use and now when I see people wearing them (especially Viper) I definitely have a bias against them.

Also from the OP 2nd paragraph it appears you knew you were using a set that was broken. It warms my heart to know that you might have spent lots of gold mats on a broken build that no longer works.

geonsocal · May 2017

scorpiodog wrote: »

Viper and RM proccing from bow attacks was a bug and yes, they fixed it in the homestead patch.

But I'll be frank with you - I've had full sets of RM and Viper sittiing unused on an alt character for months now because it just feels like something a completely unskilled player would use and now when I see people wearing them (especially Viper) I definitely have a bias against them.

red mountain never had an issue with proccing from bows:
(5 items) When you deal damage with a Weapon ability, you have a 10% chance to deal an additional 8400 Flame Damage. This effect can occur once every 2 seconds.

i've never been a big fan of proc sets with crappy % chances (less than 20% or so) - however, after spending enough time out there in cyrodiil - it's sure does seem like the only time rng really seems to work is in relation to the frequency of peoples proc sets going off...

i've been using red mountain for about a month or so (it was a cheap set to pick up from guild traders)...not sure how much longer i'll stick with it...thinking already about switching it out with toothrow...not excited about farming that set though...

just feels a little better equipping a set that you know will work all the time...

geonsocal · May 2017

you convinced me @scorpiodog ...just put away the red mountain and put on plague doctor...oh, does that feel good in pvp

method__01 · May 2017

you can use spriggan's and switch second bow to knifes,this way viper will proc in close combat and you get the increased penetration

Gargath · May 2017

scorpiodog wrote: »

Also from the OP 2nd paragraph it appears you knew you were using a set that was broken. It warms my heart to know that you might have spent lots of gold mats on a broken build that no longer works.

I hurry to dissapoint you, I spent only purple mats for that build

. In this constantly changing eso environment wearing golden armor is a waste of gold. Only my argonian healer has one but this build is stable from months, even with latest changes. I use only golden weapons btw. I knew Viper was somehow broken because I read forums and opinions, but I'm not complaining so much, I already re-created this character into cool thief, both sets for effective stealing with dual wield on both bars. I love to play in stealth with those NB one-shot critical jumps, while running in stealth at full speed without spending any stamina

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scipionumatia · May 2017

On my yellow stamblade been using red mountain and spriggans. It still works decent with 2h/bow set up. Everything is purple as I don't play yellow that much except for when my few yellow friends are online. But I agree with the posters above, it's cheap to get weapons for and isn't terribly broken, decent pvp set as long as its not your tryhard character

raasdal · May 2017

geonsocal wrote: »

scorpiodog wrote: »

Viper and RM proccing from bow attacks was a bug and yes, they fixed it in the homestead patch.

But I'll be frank with you - I've had full sets of RM and Viper sittiing unused on an alt character for months now because it just feels like something a completely unskilled player would use and now when I see people wearing them (especially Viper) I definitely have a bias against them.

red mountain never had an issue with proccing from bows:
(5 items) When you deal damage with a Weapon ability, you have a 10% chance to deal an additional 8400 Flame Damage. This effect can occur once every 2 seconds.

i've never been a big fan of proc sets with crappy % chances (less than 20% or so) - however, after spending enough time out there in cyrodiil - it's sure does seem like the only time rng really seems to work is in relation to the frequency of peoples proc sets going off...

i've been using red mountain for about a month or so (it was a cheap set to pick up from guild traders)...not sure how much longer i'll stick with it...thinking already about switching it out with toothrow...not excited about farming that set though...

just feels a little better equipping a set that you know will work all the time...

The low proc chance on RM is what makes it so great, since it is compensated by the high damage, which meand you can get HUGE damage, if you build for it. But that is exactly it; you need to build specifically for proccing it. You can't just do a Poison Injection and the Snipe spam, and hope it procs.

Gargath · May 2017

geonsocal wrote: »

red mountain never had an issue with proccing from bows:
(5 items) When you deal damage with a Weapon ability, you have a 10% chance to deal an additional 8400 Flame Damage. This effect can occur once every 2 seconds.

A set for weird builds for a time being. Scaling with max magicka while designed for stamina weapons? Stamina build gives 8400 flame damage, when checked on magicka sorc it's over 10k damage. Definitely not my style. Not speaking much about it's overall ugliness, has simply rubbish look no matter what dye you aply.

fred4 · May 2017

As far as I know Viper proc'd from enchants and/or poisons in previous patches. This was fixed, so it's not suitable for bow builds anymore.

Red Mountain is decent, if you build for it. To be honest, the only way I think it's viable in PvP is with Flurry, which yields 5 proc chances every second. I have tested this set on giants/mammoths before and after Homestead. Something has changed in the way it procs, which has reduced the proc chance since Homestead. I don't think this was an intentional nerf, but probably something ZOS changed or optimised in their combat engine, at least when it comes to Flurry.

Arrow Barrage should yield a good proc chance, since it procs every 0.5 seconds and can hit multiple targets. I don't think it's a good PvP ability though.

fred4 · May 2017

Gargath wrote: »

Scaling with max magicka while designed for stamina weapons?

Yes, but it hits harder than Viper. With full CP in Mighty, I think it's basically tied with Viper and seems to be designed that way. Might be good for a Dunmer. We'll have to see whether it scales with Master At Arms, come Morrowind.

SodanTok · May 2017

Gargath wrote: »

geonsocal wrote: »

red mountain never had an issue with proccing from bows:
(5 items) When you deal damage with a Weapon ability, you have a 10% chance to deal an additional 8400 Flame Damage. This effect can occur once every 2 seconds.

A set for weird builds for a time being. Scaling with max magicka while designed for stamina weapons? Stamina build gives 8400 flame damage, when checked on magicka sorc it's over 10k damage. Definitely not my style. Not speaking much about it's overall ugliness, has simply rubbish look no matter what dye you aply.

Set procs dont scale with any resource or damage. They are only buffed by CP.

AcadianPaladin · May 2017

That last bonus on Red Mountain prompts me to ask a question I've had regarding xx% of happening via 'weapon ability'. I realized it includes weapon skill line abilities but does it also include light and heavy weapon attacks?

The Soul Magic 'soul lock' passive reads the same - 10% chance of filling a soul gem when using a 'weapon ability'. I can't tell for sure but I think my light/heavy staff attacks are making this work but can't quite be sure. Would appreciate some confirmation/clarification.

Kram8ion · May 2017

AcadianPaladin wrote: »

That last bonus on Red Mountain prompts me to ask a question I've had regarding xx% of happening via 'weapon ability'. I realized it includes weapon skill line abilities but does it also include light and heavy weapon attacks?

The Soul Magic 'soul lock' passive reads the same - 10% chance of filling a soul gem when using a 'weapon ability'. I can't tell for sure but I think my light/heavy staff attacks are making this work but can't quite be sure. Would appreciate some confirmation/clarification.

I'm pretty sure light and heavy don't count as a weapon ability, if it did then it would make red mountain viable
And I think that was part of the problem with viper which was fixed

DRXHarbinger · May 2017

Both sets are trash for a Bow build. Use Poisonous Serpent and Hulking drugar with a Master Bow. You'll hit way harder than relying on semi hard hitting procs.

For proccing red mountain use hail, it doesn't have a cool down and ticks every .5s. sometimes you get lucky and get proc after proc, but Viper will not work on it anymore.