Tank gearing, stats(Warden)

Sakiri · May 2017

I've got a few questions on tank gearing and stat allocation pertaining to the warden. Haven't seen much about it on here and a lot of the information on tank gearing that I found via search either didn't answer my questions, or was old.

1. Should I pick the 5/1/1 that everyone else seems to use? I found something about 5 heavy/2 light but that was a few years ago.

2. Monster set suggestions? If I have to get a shoulder only, which one would you suggest as well.

3. Stat allocation setup. There's abilities that scale off max HP, but I'm afraid just stacking health is a bad idea.

Any information appreciated. I haven't tanked in this game since a month after PC launch.

Illurian · May 2017

1. 5/1/1 is preferable due to the Undaunted passive (Undaunted Mettle). With a 5/1/1 set up, you will get a 6% bonus to each of your stat pools (magicka, health and stamina). If you don't have Undaunted level 9, you might get slightly better returns going 7 heavy, but I've not tested it myself.

2. I haven't seen much of the Warden, but from what I did see, they don't have an innate pull ability. Thus, the Swarm Mother set would probably be your best bet. I wouldn't go for a 1 piece monster set on a tank in general.

3. You're going to need stamina to block (assuming sword + shield), so your stamina stat pool should be your primary focus. I'm not sure how this would look after all the changes coming through with Morrowind, but what I use on my stamina DK tank is 10/10/44.

Sakiri · May 2017

I don't expect to be jumping into vet dungeons for a while and have absolutely zero interest in trials, which is why I was asking about 1 piece monster set. Shoulders are easy to get from chests, sans RNGesus.

sadownik · May 2017

@Sakiri so forgive me saying that, but what normal dungeon build means? I mean it happend that i "tanked" normal dungeons on my dps set magica characters because 'reasons", so i dont think normal dungeons are a problem at all with almost any build. And no im not gloating - im below average player.

Illurian · May 2017

sadownik wrote: »

@Sakiri so forgive me saying that, but what normal dungeon build means? I mean it happend that i "tanked" normal dungeons on my dps set magica characters because 'reasons", so i dont think normal dungeons are a problem at all with almost any build. And no im not gloating - im below average player.

Basically this.

With a half decent healer, you don't even need a tank in normal dungeons. 3 DPS and 1 healer works perfectly fine. With this in mind, you're still able to play a tank, but what you actually use doesn't really matter much at all.

White wabbit · May 2017

Some Normal dungeons don't even need 4 players

Sakiri · May 2017

sadownik wrote: »

@Sakiri so forgive me saying that, but what normal dungeon build means? I mean it happend that i "tanked" normal dungeons on my dps set magica characters because 'reasons", so i dont think normal dungeons are a problem at all with almost any build. And no im not gloating - im below average player.

Friends I run with dont want to try vets immediately.

That's why it'll be a while.

White wabbit wrote: »

Some Normal dungeons don't even need 4 players

I know, got someone that solos CoA regularly.

Sakiri · May 2017

Illurian wrote: »

sadownik wrote: »

@Sakiri so forgive me saying that, but what normal dungeon build means? I mean it happend that i "tanked" normal dungeons on my dps set magica characters because 'reasons", so i dont think normal dungeons are a problem at all with almost any build. And no im not gloating - im below average player.

Basically this.

With a half decent healer, you don't even need a tank in normal dungeons. 3 DPS and 1 healer works perfectly fine. With this in mind, you're still able to play a tank, but what you actually use doesn't really matter much at all.

We run 3-4 dps sometimes. Sorc pet heals.

We're all going to be running fresh alts too so there's that. Need to practice before getting trashed on for being a scrub if I decide to pug ever.

Illurian · May 2017

Sakiri wrote: »

Illurian wrote: »

sadownik wrote: »

@Sakiri so forgive me saying that, but what normal dungeon build means? I mean it happend that i "tanked" normal dungeons on my dps set magica characters because 'reasons", so i dont think normal dungeons are a problem at all with almost any build. And no im not gloating - im below average player.

Basically this.

With a half decent healer, you don't even need a tank in normal dungeons. 3 DPS and 1 healer works perfectly fine. With this in mind, you're still able to play a tank, but what you actually use doesn't really matter much at all.

We run 3-4 dps sometimes. Sorc pet heals.

We're all going to be running fresh alts too so there's that. Need to practice before getting trashed on for being a scrub if I decide to pug ever.

So normal dungeons are only really "useful" to learn the mechanics of the fights - and even then, chances are you won't even notice the mechanics. If you are able to run 3-4 DDs, then you should know what you are doing.

You seem to have a premade group, so just jump into vet dungeons with your group if you truly want to practice. Best way to learn is to actually do the vet dungeon, and since you have a premade group, getting flamed probably isn't an issue.

If you are completely adamant that you want to use 1 piece monster set, I would probably go with Chudan/Pirate Skeleton for the extra resistance. However, chances are, you might find a better option with a 2 piece set bonus from another 5 piece set.

Sakiri · May 2017

They're not ready for vets. Group doesn't really have a leveled dedicated healer for them. As I said, our sorc heals, mostly with his pet.

eso_nya · May 2017

From what i can tell from your posts, your targetrange is in the semi-premade vetdungeons/normaltrial (or lower) range.
Lots of options u get to pick there:
First, aim for 25k to 30k hp, where 25k is risky, but good enough if u know the fights, 30k gives u some margin for standing in red. U should be able to get all that hp from armor enchants and trifood.
Go with 5-1-1, put all your attribute points into either stamina or magicka.
Pick one tanky 5-pc set, good candidates r Akaviri Dragon (if u have warhorn-worthy dds), Armor Master, Histbark, 7th legion, knights errant.
The second 5 pc depends on your poolchoice/class: Sunderflame, Witchman, NMG, Kagrenacs, Desert Rose, Julianos. Also on if u want to bring more utility (good premade) or a bit more damage (bad puggrp).
For 1pc Monsterset, id go with stamina (u dont need to permablock but will dodge/heavy attack alot most likely) or magicka regen. If u want to go into a bit more dmg pick Krag or Iceheart.
If u decide to go with 2 pc monster, the tanky choice would be lord warden or bloodspawn, engine guardian or setinel for sustain, or sth fancy like e.g. Infernal Guardian in combination w/ harness magicka (combine w/ armormaster for lols and giggles).
Specifically for Warden, i'd try out either magicka w/ Winterborn (jewels + 2x armor), 3 heavy kagrenacs + s&b/stormstaff, 2 heavy sentinel or bloodspawn or infernal guardian and go with the morph thats scales w/ max magicka.
For stamina, huntleader + nmg + krags could be cool if u wanna keep the pet out, "standard" dragon/alkosh/bloodspawn for spamming warhorn. witchman could be cool if it procs from pet.
For the setup u mentioned above, it might work nicely to run max magicka, 5pc lamia and bloodspawn on s&b w/ resto and tell your sorc to use shrimp over twilight.

CP:
Red: Iron Clad/Thick Skinned: 56; Hardy/Ele Def: 44; Rest into Bastion/Quick recovery.
Green: Shadow Ward/Tumbling/Tenacity: 56 each, rest into arcanist or mooncalf.

VierulSquirrel · May 2017

If you aren't jumping into vet trials on your warden come release, try 5 dragon (jewellery, sword and shield,) and 5 body ice furnace for some fun runs. Paired with 2pc engine guardian. If you don't end up liking ice furnace you can always craft 5 hist bark and replace it. Granted this is for normal fun runs, trials and vet dungeons would call for blood spawn and a whole different set up. etc. Like eso_nya was talking about. As cp goes. You can use what was posted above or check out some videos that may help better explain. If your on a dk, and only want a 1 peice monster set I suggest mighty chudan.
Good luck with your alts. Cheers!

Sakiri · May 2017

Thanks guys!

Gan Xing · May 2017

Illurian wrote: »

3. You're going to need stamina to block (assuming sword + shield), so your stamina stat pool should be your primary focus. I'm not sure how this would look after all the changes coming through with Morrowind, but what I use on my stamina DK tank is 10/10/44.

The only item that uses magicka for blocking is the ice staff. it's heavy attack also taunts. I think a lot of people avoid it because it doesn't allow you to run 2 5-piece-sets and a monster helm set. If someday. ZOS decides to make 2h weapons = 2 piece sets, then that would be awesome, and would help me buff up my characters that use 2h weapons

Sakiri wrote: »

I don't expect to be jumping into vet dungeons for a while and have absolutely zero interest in trials, which is why I was asking about 1 piece monster set. Shoulders are easy to get from chests, sans RNGesus.

This is fine. I run 1 piece monster on my DK, and she is my dps. With the warden, I'm gonna be running a few things, but it is always good to test it out in PTS.