Funniest part about the burning spellweave nerf

DeadlyPhoenix · May 2017

Alpheu5 wrote: »

Pretty sure a few weeks ago I saw comments from players about how BSW is so good that there's no reason to run anything else most of the time, and they wished it wasn't almost mandatory that they run it to get reasonable DPS.

So their fix for this is to nerf the set and make it less useful while at the same time leaving it basically still BiS? Wouldn't it be better to bring other sets more in line with this one?

Wait... I answered my own question....

Set(s).........

Too much work for them to make other options viable, instead let's make everything trash that way no one can complain about BiS gear!!!! Now we will have threads asking for what's WiS! I kid....

BohnT · May 2017

sodantokb16_ESO wrote: »

BohnT wrote: »

altemriel wrote: »

BohnT wrote: »

Are people really thinking that War Maiden will be BiS?
I know that most ppl like to have their picture of ZoS showing it as pure evil but come on.
It says "magic damage abilities" not spell damage, you know what doesn't get buffed:
Force Pulse, Wall of elements, destro ult, reflecting lights, mage's wrath, meteor, standard of might, burning embers, engulfing flames, heavy and light attacks every heal

So tell me is this set good or not in endgame pve?

Necro needs to be changed, make it the counterpart of draugr hulk so anyone can use it

wait, what is the meaning of "magic damage abilities" then?

which abilities are meant by that??

http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/War+Maiden+Set

" Adds 400 Spell Damage to your Magic Damage abilities"

I would understand it that it adds 400 SD to all damage abilities that feed on magicka?

Or is it something else?

It only buffs skills that deal magic damage. Funnel health, entropy, merciless resolve, curse, jabs, beam etc everything that doesn't deal elemental ( lightning, frost, fire) deals magic damage.

Additionally this buff is not affected by major sorcery so you lose 20% dmg on top

It is buffed ffs. Staph with this BS already.

It is not get your facts straight this was a thing back when they added these sets and it still is today as the 400dmg are only applied to the ability itself and not to your spelldmg

The_Saint · May 2017

clocksstoppe wrote: »

They didn't nerf it to make builds more diverse. All builds will now be War Maiden instead of BSW. The difference? Of course, one is base game and the other is from Morrowind.

Show me one build that can use war maiden and can make better dps then bsw, scatching, necro...

Why?
Magic damage is just a small part of dps...

Dks? No magic damage skills
Still on BSW or switch to julianos

Sorcs?
lets take a screenshot from first mol boss from a youtube video (thanks batters

)

pet? shock damage
liquid? shock damage
blockade of fire? fire damage
fiery rage? Fire damage
Thats over 55% of the damage and not all. Heavy/light attacks, illambris, force pulse...
Still necro

Templer?
i dont want to search. Because i think is near the same to nb... because of elemental rage, elemental blockade, autoattacks, grothdarr

Warden?
necro

Mag NB?
(older one i found quickly and not the best one^^)

light/heavy attacks, shooting star, staff ulti, force pulse
~50%
and this was on a sap build, not the destructive clench build that work better
So we get 400 spelldamage for ~50% of our dps...

Yes you could use veil of blade instead of staffulti or shooting star. Funnel instead of force pulse...
Lets say 75% of your dps is magic damage (and you still can reach the numbers other skills gives to you). 400*0,75 = 300

For 300 spelldamage you need ~58% scatching uptime... Look at the screen, scatching is 78% and ~98% of my fights its over 70%
Mag NB will use Scatching or Master architect (alcast get some got numbers with it)

So in PVE War maiden nobody will use...(maybe templer dont know but dont think so)
I only see good potential for mag nb in pvp. But its light armour i would prefer spinners then when i would wear a full damage light armour set in pvp

I cant see your p2w aspect here...

SodanTok · May 2017

BohnT wrote: »

sodantokb16_ESO wrote: »

BohnT wrote: »

altemriel wrote: »

BohnT wrote: »

Are people really thinking that War Maiden will be BiS?
I know that most ppl like to have their picture of ZoS showing it as pure evil but come on.
It says "magic damage abilities" not spell damage, you know what doesn't get buffed:
Force Pulse, Wall of elements, destro ult, reflecting lights, mage's wrath, meteor, standard of might, burning embers, engulfing flames, heavy and light attacks every heal

So tell me is this set good or not in endgame pve?

Necro needs to be changed, make it the counterpart of draugr hulk so anyone can use it

wait, what is the meaning of "magic damage abilities" then?

which abilities are meant by that??

http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/War+Maiden+Set

" Adds 400 Spell Damage to your Magic Damage abilities"

I would understand it that it adds 400 SD to all damage abilities that feed on magicka?

Or is it something else?

It only buffs skills that deal magic damage. Funnel health, entropy, merciless resolve, curse, jabs, beam etc everything that doesn't deal elemental ( lightning, frost, fire) deals magic damage.

Additionally this buff is not affected by major sorcery so you lose 20% dmg on top

It is buffed ffs. Staph with this BS already.

It is not get your facts straight this was a thing back when they added these sets and it still is today as the 400dmg are only applied to the ability itself and not to your spelldmg

I got my facts straight testing it just 5m ago? What did you do instead of repeating what someone else told you long time ago?

Sinolai · May 2017

olsborg wrote: »

Someone I know pointed something out to me.

The sets that are getting nerfed are sets not behind a paywall, the strong sets not getting nerfed are behind a dlc/paywall. Prove me wrong zos.

Necropontece is still as powerful as ever (probably nerfed in next patch), Netch, Ysgramor ect. just got damage buff at the cost of survivality. Warmaiden (the DLC set) is equal to the the latter and had same treatment to stay equal. Silks of the Sun was probably forgotten by Devs and will have same treatment in next patch?

WeyounTM · May 2017

With all the talk about "BiS" this and "Meta" that....I wonder if this game is just "The Elder Damage-Meter Online" for some people.
And all those videos with dudes and their target skeleton and the new and fancy "1 million DPS in under 1 sec special build" or god forbid those "Slaughtering 10.000 AD in 1 min in the sewer"...

At the end of the day this is just a game. If you are really that desperate to get the last 0.00000001 % DPS into your rotation....than your game has become essentially that: a rotation.

stevepdodson_ESO888 · May 2017

Vaoh wrote: »

If there were different BiS sets based on class, I would call that pretty awesome and a success. It's bland asf seeing six pets running all over the place with every non-pet DPS running around with glowing orange arms...

Btw no need to worry. Burning Spellweave is still BiS on every DPS that isn't a Pet Sorc or Magicka Warden.

let's just say..."mmmmm, time you did some more testing"

you will find out eventually

Rickter · May 2017

Decado wrote: »

Anyway made me laugh at their excuse and/ or reasoning

looks like to me, it made you rage.. .

Sakiri · May 2017

olsborg wrote: »

Someone I know pointed something out to me.

The sets that are getting nerfed are sets not behind a paywall, the strong sets not getting nerfed are behind a dlc/paywall. Prove me wrong zos.

Hard to nerf something that's not live that no one has yet.

Stopnaggin · May 2017

Thrasher91604 wrote: »

The reason for the change is bogus. Don't believe it.

The REAL reason is that to keep the game interesting they have to keep changing the rules and stats to prevent the game from stagnating. Some people thrive on tracking this stuff.

Of course they forget that some of us only have so much tolerance for farming for new gear every time a new patch comes out.

Right, I just re-rolled my sorc and don't think I'll be farming bsw since I only have a month before the nerf hammer comes out.

TARAFRAKA · May 2017

WeyounTM wrote: »

With all the talk about "BiS" this and "Meta" that....I wonder if this game is just "The Elder Damage-Meter Online" for some people.
And all those videos with dudes and their target skeleton and the new and fancy "1 million DPS in under 1 sec special build" or god forbid those "Slaughtering 10.000 AD in 1 min in the sewer"...

At the end of the day this is just a game. If you are really that desperate to get the last 0.00000001 % DPS into your rotation....than your game has become essentially that: a rotation.

But what if that's what is fun to some people ? what if maximizing your DPS is what makes the game fun?

Stopnaggin · May 2017

DMuehlhausen wrote: »

Decado wrote: »

So I like everyone else has seen the upcoming nerf to burning spell weave, and I had to say I laughed so hard when I saw the reasoning, here is the comment from patch notes

Burning Spellweave: Decreased the proc chance to 15% from 20%, and decreased the Spell Damage bonus to 525 from 600.
Developer Comments:
Spoiler
Burning Spellweave is currently one of the most dominant Magicka DPS sets in the game, which limits diversity in set gearing. We’ve slightly reduced the proc chance and Spell Damage it grants so it is more in-line with other Item Set options, and is only a more attractive option when you are using many Flame Damage attacks.

Are you kidding me or just high? You nerfed the set to make builds more diverse?? Why kinda nonsense is this, there will never be diversifying in end game PvE, people will work out this is be best set for magicka (maybe difference in class) and literally everyone will then go and run the set this is BiS for their class, your not going to get diversifying people will always wear the best even if it's only a 1% difference.

Literally the only people who would wear a worse set would be for roleplaying and that's just not a reason to nerf things.

I'm not counting the guys who run different sets for group buffs etc I'm just talking about the guys who gear their chars to provide the maximum DPS possible in a raid. If you have 5 sorcs who's sole job is doing the most damage possible I can guarantee all those 5 sorcs will be wearing identical gear (assuming RNG doesn't royally *** them over)

Anyway made me laugh at their excuse and/ or reasoning

Not discussing the nerf wether it will still be best/viable since there is loads of those topics around just had a good laugh at the reason

See this thought process is the problem. Your thinking is to micro. You only care about BiS meta. You realize that makes up probably less than 1% of the population of the game right. Yes no matter sets are out there or how balanced skills are you going to have EJs like you who only accept people if they have BiS in every slot and the perfect skill rotation.

That is all fine and good if you are a progression based trial guild. The problem is that line of thinking is starting to filter down to Vet and even Normal dungeons sometimes. I've seen people get kicked and the reason people gave was they weren't the optimal race/class combination.

Changes ZoS make will never be made with the maybe .05% population that do vet trials, or the maybe 10% that solely PvP. The decisions are made based around the remaining players that do most things the game has to offer, and aren't in a hurry to get anywhere and just enjoy their time. Those are the people that keep games like this going no the raiders, or the PvPers.

Really, I'm pretty sure the nerf to proc sets was based solely on the 10% of pvpers. Maybe some people kick for not having bis gear, I've never been in one of those groups. Imho there really was no need to nerf bsw. You want diversity then bring crafted sets up to par with farmed sets. This alone would allow for a much better build diversity then nerfing current sets

timidobserver · May 2017

MaximusDargus wrote: »

At the same time they buffed a expansion exclusive magicka dps set coming from trial...

This is lose lose for them. People would complain if the trial gear is good or bad.

alexkdd99 · May 2017

olsborg wrote: »

Someone I know pointed something out to me.

The sets that are getting nerfed are sets not behind a paywall, the strong sets not getting nerfed are behind a dlc/paywall. Prove me wrong zos.

Lich, no paywall.

Ihatenightblades · May 2017

Decado wrote: »

So I like everyone else has seen the upcoming nerf to burning spell weave, and I had to say I laughed so hard when I saw the reasoning, here is the comment from patch notes

Burning Spellweave: Decreased the proc chance to 15% from 20%, and decreased the Spell Damage bonus to 525 from 600.
Developer Comments:
Spoiler
Burning Spellweave is currently one of the most dominant Magicka DPS sets in the game, which limits diversity in set gearing. We’ve slightly reduced the proc chance and Spell Damage it grants so it is more in-line with other Item Set options, and is only a more attractive option when you are using many Flame Damage attacks.

Are you kidding me or just high? You nerfed the set to make builds more diverse?? Why kinda nonsense is this, there will never be diversifying in end game PvE, people will work out this is be best set for magicka (maybe difference in class) and literally everyone will then go and run the set this is BiS for their class, your not going to get diversifying people will always wear the best even if it's only a 1% difference.

Literally the only people who would wear a worse set would be for roleplaying and that's just not a reason to nerf things.

I'm not counting the guys who run different sets for group buffs etc I'm just talking about the guys who gear their chars to provide the maximum DPS possible in a raid. If you have 5 sorcs who's sole job is doing the most damage possible I can guarantee all those 5 sorcs will be wearing identical gear (assuming RNG doesn't royally *** them over)

Anyway made me laugh at their excuse and/ or reasoning

Not discussing the nerf wether it will still be best/viable since there is loads of those topics around just had a good laugh at the reason

How is that not a good reason?? Everybody used it because its bis by FAR. Ya scathing mage is nice also and may be better now for sorcs.

But to me thats a fair reason

alexkdd99 · May 2017

DMuehlhausen wrote: »

Decado wrote: »

So I like everyone else has seen the upcoming nerf to burning spell weave, and I had to say I laughed so hard when I saw the reasoning, here is the comment from patch notes

Burning Spellweave: Decreased the proc chance to 15% from 20%, and decreased the Spell Damage bonus to 525 from 600.
Developer Comments:
Spoiler
Burning Spellweave is currently one of the most dominant Magicka DPS sets in the game, which limits diversity in set gearing. We’ve slightly reduced the proc chance and Spell Damage it grants so it is more in-line with other Item Set options, and is only a more attractive option when you are using many Flame Damage attacks.

Are you kidding me or just high? You nerfed the set to make builds more diverse?? Why kinda nonsense is this, there will never be diversifying in end game PvE, people will work out this is be best set for magicka (maybe difference in class) and literally everyone will then go and run the set this is BiS for their class, your not going to get diversifying people will always wear the best even if it's only a 1% difference.

Literally the only people who would wear a worse set would be for roleplaying and that's just not a reason to nerf things.

I'm not counting the guys who run different sets for group buffs etc I'm just talking about the guys who gear their chars to provide the maximum DPS possible in a raid. If you have 5 sorcs who's sole job is doing the most damage possible I can guarantee all those 5 sorcs will be wearing identical gear (assuming RNG doesn't royally *** them over)

Anyway made me laugh at their excuse and/ or reasoning

Not discussing the nerf wether it will still be best/viable since there is loads of those topics around just had a good laugh at the reason

See this thought process is the problem. Your thinking is to micro. You only care about BiS meta. You realize that makes up probably less than 1% of the population of the game right. Yes no matter sets are out there or how balanced skills are you going to have EJs like you who only accept people if they have BiS in every slot and the perfect skill rotation.

That is all fine and good if you are a progression based trial guild. The problem is that line of thinking is starting to filter down to Vet and even Normal dungeons sometimes. I've seen people get kicked and the reason people gave was they weren't the optimal race/class combination.

Changes ZoS make will never be made with the maybe .05% population that do vet trials, or the maybe 10% that solely PvP. The decisions are made based around the remaining players that do most things the game has to offer, and aren't in a hurry to get anywhere and just enjoy their time. Those are the people that keep games like this going no the raiders, or the PvPers.

Where did those numbers come from? It would seem you pulled them randomly from nowhere.

If such a small percent are worried about BiS then how is there enough people worried about it to cause people to be kicked from dungeon. Your logic makes no sense, probably because you are using made up numbers.

It takes a majority vote to kick someone from a dungeon. So if all the rumors that people are being kicked for not having bis are true, then in each of those instances 3 of the 4 people are worried about BiS. So how are you saying such a small percent are worried about BiS while at the same time saying enough people care to cause people to be kicked from all types of content.

apostate9 · May 2017

THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »

Decado wrote: »

So I like everyone else has seen the upcoming nerf to burning spell weave, and I had to say I laughed so hard when I saw the reasoning, here is the comment from patch notes

Burning Spellweave: Decreased the proc chance to 15% from 20%, and decreased the Spell Damage bonus to 525 from 600.
Developer Comments:
Spoiler
Burning Spellweave is currently one of the most dominant Magicka DPS sets in the game, which limits diversity in set gearing. We’ve slightly reduced the proc chance and Spell Damage it grants so it is more in-line with other Item Set options, and is only a more attractive option when you are using many Flame Damage attacks.

Are you kidding me or just high? You nerfed the set to make builds more diverse?? Why kinda nonsense is this, there will never be diversifying in end game PvE, people will work out this is be best set for magicka (maybe difference in class) and literally everyone will then go and run the set this is BiS for their class, your not going to get diversifying people will always wear the best even if it's only a 1% difference.

Literally the only people who would wear a worse set would be for roleplaying and that's just not a reason to nerf things.

I'm not counting the guys who run different sets for group buffs etc I'm just talking about the guys who gear their chars to provide the maximum DPS possible in a raid. If you have 5 sorcs who's sole job is doing the most damage possible I can guarantee all those 5 sorcs will be wearing identical gear (assuming RNG doesn't royally *** them over)

Anyway made me laugh at their excuse and/ or reasoning

Not discussing the nerf wether it will still be best/viable since there is loads of those topics around just had a good laugh at the reason

Thank you for reminding me why I play in Cyrodiil where us mean and judgmental PVP jerks don't care what you wear.

AMEN.