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I am hoping that more players sub, and development of the game can move forward.
Going f2p was a mistake. I was in a community guild and we had over 1000 guildes at launch. All subs.
When they announced it was going f2p no one could believe it. By that time there weren't as many guildes, but still a substantial amount.
And opening up a casino store in game is a reflection on lost revenue. It should be a department store. Limited availability increasing significant demand is a myth. Most people will just do without, they won't go and spend money on crates where they may or may not get the item they are looking for.
There are things I would buy from the store if available, however I am not going to gamble on getting those items.
Plz zos I don't mind paying a premium for this game, but please think through these ideas of yours
Edited by Fingolfinn01 on May 10, 2017 12:11AM Going f2p was a mistake. I was in a community guild and we had over 1000 guildes at launch. All subs.
When they announced it was going f2p no one could believe it. By that time there weren't as many guildes, but still a substantial amount.
And opening up a casino store in game is a reflection on lost revenue. It should be a department store. Limited availability increasing significant demand is a myth. Most people will just do without, they won't go and spend money on crates where they may or may not get the item they are looking for.
There are things I would buy from the store if available, however I am not going to gamble on getting those items.
Plz zos I don't mind paying a premium for this game, but please think through these ideas of yours
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✭ESO isn't f2p. It's b2p.
Personally, my circle of friends and myself would not be playing ESO if it had stuck to its sub model.Kiss the chaos.20 -
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✭✭✭✭✭good thoughts...read a bunch of posts today regarding the precipitous drop off in players post imperial city release...
any idea why?
did the IC release coincide with the removal of a required sub...
why is a required sub beneficial to the health of an mmo?PVP Campaigns Section: Playstation NA and EU (Gray Host) - This Must be the Place0 -
Fingolfinn01✭✭✭✭my mistake, I should of said when they removed the subscription from this game it was a mistake.PC-NA1
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AoDD33pfri3d✭✭✭Fingolfinn01 wrote: »my mistake, I should of said when they removed the subscription from this game it was a mistake.
Wait they are removing eso +0 -
Fingolfinn01✭✭✭✭AoDD33pfri3d wrote: »Fingolfinn01 wrote: »my mistake, I should of said when they removed the subscription from this game it was a mistake.
Wait they are removing eso +
Mandatory sub, not a good day for me on the forums.
However they are improving eso+ so in a way they are removing eso+ and replacing it with eso++
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AoDD33pfri3d✭✭✭Fingolfinn01 wrote: »AoDD33pfri3d wrote: »Fingolfinn01 wrote: »my mistake, I should of said when they removed the subscription from this game it was a mistake.
Wait they are removing eso +
Mandatory sub, not a good day for me on the forums.
However they are improving eso+ so in a way they are removing eso+ and replacing it with eso++
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Fingolfinn01✭✭✭✭AoDD33pfri3d wrote: »Fingolfinn01 wrote: »AoDD33pfri3d wrote: »Fingolfinn01 wrote: »my mistake, I should of said when they removed the subscription from this game it was a mistake.
Wait they are removing eso +
Mandatory sub, not a good day for me on the forums.
However they are improving eso+ so in a way they are removing eso+ and replacing it with eso++
Same price?
same channel
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✭There is no chance that I'd ever buy a game, any game, and then pay for the right to play it.
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✭✭Fingolfinn01 wrote: »AoDD33pfri3d wrote: »Fingolfinn01 wrote: »my mistake, I should of said when they removed the subscription from this game it was a mistake.
Wait they are removing eso +
Mandatory sub, not a good day for me on the forums.
However they are improving eso+ so in a way they are removing eso+ and replacing it with eso++
How do you figure they're improving ESO+ when they're locking Morrowind beind a paywall?@ֆȶɛʋɛƈǟʍքֆօʊȶ⍟
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✭✭✭✭I know many people will hate me for this but I agree with OP's post. Not entirely but with most of it for sure. I'm a sub, been a sub ever since i bought the game. Would never cancel my sub unless quitting the game entirely.3 -
scorpiodog✭✭✭✭✭A 100% subscription game is a large barrier to entry. Few people know if they want to pay $70 for a game plus $150 per year plus extras and expansions / chapters before they even try it out. That's like asking someone to go steady before you even go on the first date.
By going Buy to Play plus optional subscription, ESO gets in a steady crop of new players, casual players, or people just saying "heck why not?" If people like the game they either buy the DLCs or subscribe. If they get serious about the game beyond a certain degree, they subscribe.
If ESO relied 100% on a small group of dedicated MMO players for their revenue they'd be in big trouble. Game after game they demand special advantages and gratuitous favoritism that ultimately destroy a game.3 -
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✭ZoS failed to deliver on numerous promises that came with the subscription. Content patches every three months? Took twice as long. Premium customer services? Ha! The value was no where near what was advertised or expected. That is why ESO lost the vast majority of their subscribers, and in order to keep the game going they'd have to go F2P.Edited by WhitePawPrints on May 10, 2017 1:02AM7 -
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✭✭✭✭scorpiodog wrote: »A 100% subscription game is a large barrier to entry. Few people know if they want to pay $70 for a game plus $150 per year plus extras and expansions / chapters before they even try it out. That's like asking someone to go steady before you even go on the first date.
By going Buy to Play plus optional subscription, ESO gets in a steady crop of new players, casual players, or people just saying "heck why not?" If people like the game they either buy the DLCs or subscribe. If they get serious about the game beyond a certain degree, they subscribe.
If ESO relied 100% on a small group of dedicated MMO players for their revenue they'd be in big trouble. Game after game they demand special advantages and gratuitous favoritism that ultimately destroy a game.
Sooooo just make a 1-3 month free trial?WhitePawPrints wrote: »ZoS failed to deliver on numerous promises that came with the subscription. Content patches every three months? Took twice as long. Premium customer services? Ha! The value was no where near what was advertised or expected. That is why ESO lost the vast majority of their subscribers, and in order to keep the game going they'd have to go F2P.
Uhhhh the customer service is excellent idk what you're talking about. Unless you're being a *** in every ticket/post before you even get any kind of answer at all. I've always recieved quick help and always straight to the point.Edited by Nyladreas on May 10, 2017 1:09AM3 -
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✭scorpiodog wrote: »A 100% subscription game is a large barrier to entry. Few people know if they want to pay $70 for a game plus $150 per year plus extras and expansions / chapters before they even try it out. That's like asking someone to go steady before you even go on the first date.
By going Buy to Play plus optional subscription, ESO gets in a steady crop of new players, casual players, or people just saying "heck why not?" If people like the game they either buy the DLCs or subscribe. If they get serious about the game beyond a certain degree, they subscribe.
If ESO relied 100% on a small group of dedicated MMO players for their revenue they'd be in big trouble. Game after game they demand special advantages and gratuitous favoritism that ultimately destroy a game.
Sooooo just make a 1-3 month free trial?WhitePawPrints wrote: »ZoS failed to deliver on numerous promises that came with the subscription. Content patches every three months? Took twice as long. Premium customer services? Ha! The value was no where near what was advertised or expected. That is why ESO lost the vast majority of their subscribers, and in order to keep the game going they'd have to go F2P.
Uhhhh the customer service is excellent idk what you're talking about. Unless you're being a *** in every ticket/post before you even get any kind of answer at all. I've always recieved quick help and always straight to the point.
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Honestly I can't even see how people can play without a sub. I played in the beta and hated the game do to extremely limited inventory space. Despite this I ponied up for the deluxe preorder. I played the game for about 2 weeks at launch and quit due to the limited inventory system. It wasn't until I read an article on a gaming site about the crafting bag that comes with subs that I was able to come back and actually have fun with the game. The inventory system without that bag is an absolute pile of poo, even with maxed out bag/backpack.3
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did you buy any of the other dlc? Those were a paywall too apparently. Or did you buy the gold edition? Or did you use monthly crowns from a sub to buy the dlc, which was a paywall as well.....SteveCampsOut wrote: »Fingolfinn01 wrote: »AoDD33pfri3d wrote: »Fingolfinn01 wrote: »my mistake, I should of said when they removed the subscription from this game it was a mistake.
Wait they are removing eso +
Mandatory sub, not a good day for me on the forums.
However they are improving eso+ so in a way they are removing eso+ and replacing it with eso++
How do you figure they're improving ESO+ when they're locking Morrowind beind a paywall?
I really hate when people say paywall when they come out with content as if the developers owe it to you to let you play what they created. It is a new story arc "chapter"/expansion. You have every right to pay/dont pay for it. You dont want too, then you dont get to play it.
P.S.
Dont read that in a angry/snarky tone as I am actually not trying to be offensive or rude. Just pointing that little tidbit out
Have a great day.
Oh one more thing, damn mcdonalds putting that double cheese burger behind a paywall >_>
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did you buy any of the other dlc? Those were a paywall too apparently. Or did you buy the gold edition? Or did you use monthly crowns from a sub to buy the dlc, which was a paywall as well.....SteveCampsOut wrote: »Fingolfinn01 wrote: »AoDD33pfri3d wrote: »Fingolfinn01 wrote: »my mistake, I should of said when they removed the subscription from this game it was a mistake.
Wait they are removing eso +
Mandatory sub, not a good day for me on the forums.
However they are improving eso+ so in a way they are removing eso+ and replacing it with eso++
How do you figure they're improving ESO+ when they're locking Morrowind beind a paywall?
I really hate when people say paywall when they come out with content as if the developers owe it to you to let you play what they created. It is a new story arc "chapter"/expansion. You have every right to pay/dont pay for it. You dont want too, then you dont get to play it.
P.S.
Dont read that in a angry/snarky tone as I am actually not trying to be offensive or rude. Just pointing that little tidbit out
Have a great day.
Oh one more thing, damn mcdonalds putting that double cheese burger behind a paywall >_>
Um no....
You get all the other DLC's with a sub. You never have to buy them. For Subs...MW is behind a paywall. The poster you quoted is using the term correctly as the payment model changed for subs with Morrowind, which they coyly title a Chapter, not a DLC, not an Expansion, a Chapter...
...it's a DLC....
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Wrekkedd✭✭✭✭Shad0wfire99 wrote: »There is no chance that I'd ever buy a game, any game, and then pay for the right to play it.
The reason that you pay for an mmo after buying the game itself, is because it's not skyrim. They don't have 3 dlc packs or whatever, they have to pay people to constantly monitor the game, servers, etc...lmao3 -
Synfaer✭✭✭✭✭Shad0wfire99 wrote: »There is no chance that I'd ever buy a game, any game, and then pay for the right to play it.
But I bet you expect regular DLC, improvements, new content etc...
Well I gotta tell you, Santa's elves are busy with other ***, they aint got time for that.4 -
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✭✭✭✭✭WhitePawPrints wrote: »ZoS failed to deliver on numerous promises that came with the subscription. Content patches every three months? Took twice as long. Premium customer services? Ha! The value was no where near what was advertised or expected. That is why ESO lost the vast majority of their subscribers, and in order to keep the game going they'd have to go F2P.
The updates in 2014 came out every 6 weeks, just as they said.WhitePawPrints wrote: »
I am never a *** in my tickets. They are always handled quickly, and usually in my favor.
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✭Shad0wfire99 wrote: »There is no chance that I'd ever buy a game, any game, and then pay for the right to play it.
The reason that you pay for an mmo after buying the game itself, is because it's not skyrim. They don't have 3 dlc packs or whatever, they have to pay people to constantly monitor the game, servers, etc...lmao
Ok. Still not gonna pay a sub. Ever.
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Synfaer✭✭✭✭✭brimstone74 wrote: »
did you buy any of the other dlc? Those were a paywall too apparently. Or did you buy the gold edition? Or did you use monthly crowns from a sub to buy the dlc, which was a paywall as well.....SteveCampsOut wrote: »Fingolfinn01 wrote: »AoDD33pfri3d wrote: »Fingolfinn01 wrote: »my mistake, I should of said when they removed the subscription from this game it was a mistake.
Wait they are removing eso +
Mandatory sub, not a good day for me on the forums.
However they are improving eso+ so in a way they are removing eso+ and replacing it with eso++
How do you figure they're improving ESO+ when they're locking Morrowind beind a paywall?
I really hate when people say paywall when they come out with content as if the developers owe it to you to let you play what they created. It is a new story arc "chapter"/expansion. You have every right to pay/dont pay for it. You dont want too, then you dont get to play it.
P.S.
Dont read that in a angry/snarky tone as I am actually not trying to be offensive or rude. Just pointing that little tidbit out
Have a great day.
Oh one more thing, damn mcdonalds putting that double cheese burger behind a paywall >_>
Um no....
You get all the other DLC's with a sub. You never have to buy them. For Subs...MW is behind a paywall. The poster you quoted is using the term correctly as the payment model changed for subs with Morrowind, which they coyly title a Chapter, not a DLC, not an Expansion, a Chapter...
...it's a DLC....
So, umm can you please post the generically acceptable definition of DLC and the definition of an Expansion so I can compare them? Also the definition of a Chapter while your digging through the dictionary, wikipedia or thesaurus etc.
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Synfaer✭✭✭✭✭Shad0wfire99 wrote: »Shad0wfire99 wrote: »There is no chance that I'd ever buy a game, any game, and then pay for the right to play it.
The reason that you pay for an mmo after buying the game itself, is because it's not skyrim. They don't have 3 dlc packs or whatever, they have to pay people to constantly monitor the game, servers, etc...lmao
Ok. Still not gonna pay a sub. Ever.
No one is forcing you too.
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✭Fingolfinn01 wrote: »my mistake, I should of said when they removed the subscription from this game it was a mistake.
That is your opinion. But they must of done it for a good reason. Good luck getting console players to get the game with a mandatory sub on top of their console sub.
I wouldn't of gotten it and I pay for eso+ every month. But had it been mandatory I wouldn't of even tried this game.
Imo, this game would be dead without console. Would have been hard to have console and mandatory sub. So I don't think the removal of mandatory sub was a mistake at all. Also did the guilds have a larger limit before? 1000 guildies?
The game is not f2p, nor was it ever f2p. Only free play weekends every once in awhile. It went from mandatory sub to b2p with optional sub.
As far as crown crates, I like them and I get a better deal through them than if I bought the items straight from crown store.3 -
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✭✭Removing the mandatory subscription was a good move in my opinion, for more than one reason. Was under the impression the mandatory model failed too, not enough people subscribing and the console release might have factored into things as well.Your immersion is breaking my entitlement. Buff Sorc's. Darkshroud the cremator Death by furRubeus BlackFluffy knight BladesThe Fat PantherPsijic Fungal SausageFlesheater the VileCaspian Rafferty FernsbyArchfiend Warlock PiersThe Black BishopEvil Wizard Lizard (EU)Neberra Vestige Fajeon (EU)Salanis Deathstick (EU)Blood Mage Alchemist (EU)0 -
Fingolfinn01✭✭✭✭Fingolfinn01 wrote: »my mistake, I should of said when they removed the subscription from this game it was a mistake.
That is your opinion. But they must of done it for a good reason. Good luck getting console players to get the game with a mandatory sub on top of their console sub.
I wouldn't of gotten it and I pay for eso+ every month. But had it been mandatory I wouldn't of even tried this game.
Imo, this game would be dead without console. Would have been hard to have console and mandatory sub. So I don't think the removal of mandatory sub was a mistake at all. Also did the guilds have a larger limit before? 1000 guildies?
The game is not f2p, nor was it ever f2p. Only free play weekends every once in awhile. It went from mandatory sub to b2p with optional sub.
As far as crown crates, I like them and I get a better deal through them than if I bought the items straight from crown store.
you hve multiple guilds like, NA & OC and overflow
well we will never know what the console players would of done.
If you like Crown crates, then that's okay I am happy for you. I buy a crate here and there but never with the intention of going after something.
B2P is okay, all I am saying is that a mandatary sub model would of been better.
The investment spent on getting the game to console, verse the return I suppose is something that requires more research.
If it weren't for the massive PC success they wouldn't of had the money to invest in console versions.
What If that money was spent entirely on The PC version??? Maybe it would of toppled that game we cannot mention?
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✭✭✭Just have to say, I have subbed since day one, early access PC/Na. ( march 2014).
Now, just to remind everyone, ESO went B2P BECAUSE of consoles, as Sony/Microsoft would not wave their Sub's and anyone on consoles would have to pay 2 sub fee's, so ESO dropped theirs. It had nothing to do with lack of players, game in trouble, etc.
Crown crates, Crown Store, etc are all repercussions of this and a direct result of people who ""Will Never Pay A Sub".
You have to support a game somehow, they have to get paid too, so I hope all of the "No sub" folks are buying lots of Crown Fluff and Crates!
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