Can someone explain why we can't have addons for consoles?

Avalon · May 2017

I just want a mini-map...

bg22 · May 2017

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Console is getting buff/debuff trackers which I expect will be nice.

Oh I kno, and I can't wait! I just wish there were a little more "addon" like options. The biggest being what I mentioned... Skyshards.

And I kno it's Sony's and Microsofts decision... but ZOS could give us more options for UI and the map.

Rox83 · May 2017

So why not have ZOS put in their own versions of the mods?
Like say for Skyshards and Lorebooks have a toggle (per zone) if you've already unlocked the achievements.
Or at the very least have an NPC sell some maps/books once your main has unlocked the associated achievements.

bg22 · May 2017

Woeler wrote: »

Because sony and microsoft sell you a machine of which they decide what you can and can't do with it.

And Skyrim?

bg22 · May 2017

Rox83 wrote: »

So why not have ZOS put in their own versions of the mods?
Like say for Skyshards and Lorebooks have a toggle (per zone) if you've already unlocked the achievements.
Or at the very least have an NPC sell some maps/books once your main has unlocked the associated achievements.

This is my point exactly... id be ok even if it was in the crown store! lol

IwakuraLain42 · May 2017

bg22 wrote: »

Woeler wrote: »

Because sony and microsoft sell you a machine of which they decide what you can and can't do with it.

And Skyrim?

There is a difference between PS4, where Sony doesn't allow external content (very few mods) and XB1, where MS allows that (a lot of mods).

Addons require external content so they wouldn't be possible on PS4.

Fingolfinn01 · May 2017

mods, are convenient. However for consoles I would suggest this.

If ya hve a tablet or even your phone you can bring up maps where the sky shards are. Just google it. A bit awkward, but will do in a pinch.

DRXHarbinger · May 2017

"Hunt" for skyshards. ..Bro do you even laptop or smart phone?

As for mini map. I don't recall any wizard having developed the radar skill to date yet.

1st world problems when you play an rpg and need the game to do half the work for you. Does no one ever remember playing games like zelda or mario on n64 etc when you didn't have this info. Internet generation is the laziest race on earth.

THEDKEXPERIENCE · May 2017

Ugh ... this again.

- For every 1000 useful ones it is not worth opening up Pandora's Box for game breaking crap like Miat's Nightblade Ruining Cyrodiil Cheater Add-on.
- I love the PC master race people. We get it, you either spent a bunch of money or happen to have the talent to build your own machine. Congrats. Here's a cookie. But don't for a second confuse better hardware with a better player base when people on console have been thriving without 99% of the nonsense that clutters up your screen.

Inig0 · May 2017

because microsoft hates you.

sony sometimes hates you but doesnt always.

KingKush · May 2017

For everyone saying its Sony/Microsoft, please explain to me why they already allow the use of Mods on both Fallout 4 and Skyrim but not ESO? Genuinely curious to hear your reasoning.

I would be happy with just a mini map by the way.

Inig0 · May 2017

I didnt even realize you could get addons on console in general. I understand certain mods. But addons are usually just little UI changes or a way to convey hidden information. I always thought it just wasnt worth it to Microsoft or sony to add addon support because there would be too much work for how many would potentially use that addon. Maybe idk for sure. If you want addon/ good mods/ changing the way you play a game then i recommend playing pc. Its like 1000% times easier to do that on pc. I get that console has a lot of draws to it though addons/ mod support is just one downside that comes with it. I guess there are exceptions though like you've said.

DRXHarbinger · May 2017

THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »

Ugh ... this again.

- For every 1000 useful ones it is not worth opening up Pandora's Box for game breaking crap like Miat's Nightblade Ruining Cyrodiil Cheater Add-on.
- I love the PC master race people. We get it, you either spent a bunch of money or happen to have the talent to build your own machine. Congrats. Here's a cookie. But don't for a second confuse better hardware with a better player base when people on console have been thriving without 99% of the nonsense that clutters up your screen.

You Sir / Ma'am speak too much sense for this place. Please stop before the forum zerglings gobble you up.

bg22 · May 2017

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

"Hunt" for skyshards. ..Bro do you even laptop or smart phone?

As for mini map. I don't recall any wizard having developed the radar skill to date yet.

1st world problems when you play an rpg and need the game to do half the work for you. Does no one ever remember playing games like zelda or mario on n64 etc when you didn't have this info. Internet generation is the laziest race on earth.

Are you talking ab real life or a game? I'm confused... as you apparently are too. You are calling ppl lazy for using the internet, and make a smart comment about you using the internet to find skyshards.

Here's what I made from that, "Wizards are real but don't have radar. And I'm a hypocrite. I like turtles."

AoDD33pfri3d · May 2017

I use youtube

PlagueSD · May 2017

Zaldan wrote: »

I almost wish PC didn't have addons, ZO$ might actually fix more stuff instead of expecting addons to cover for their half arsed game features.

Awesome Guild Store comes to mind. That should have been the default UI.

NewBlacksmurf · May 2017

Literal answer for Xbox one at least.....

1. The developers did not design the game in a way that it would allow add-ons (this is normal for consoles for server based games). It's not cause PCs are open source but it's cause it was designed to allow it.
2. The add-on creators would need to have a way to test their add-ons and Xbox one kinda allows creation but not testing on an active server based game
3. Anyone creating an add-on would have to create a seperate one for console vs PC and keep updates....also see #1 as ZeniMax made a terrible decision to create two completely seperate user interfaces.

THEDKEXPERIENCE · May 2017

PlagueSD wrote: »

Zaldan wrote: »

I almost wish PC didn't have addons, ZO$ might actually fix more stuff instead of expecting addons to cover for their half arsed game features.

Awesome Guild Store comes to mind. That should have been the default UI.

Stuff like this is great, but it should be in ZOS to implement it if they want it. Even AGS still hurts the mystery of the market by explaining the average prices. But ... whatever ... yes taking some things from stuff like that would be good.

What isn't good is the slippery slope type stuff like the Miat abomination. If you ever read his posts he actually thinks he was being heroic by outing all the nightblades out of stealth. In reality he just did a great job of ruining PVP for 25% of the players.

Tannakaobi · May 2017

Why do people who buy consoles then complain about the lack of features?

You pay for the privilege of having an inferior machine that will become obsolete after a few years and can not be edited in any way shape or form.

That is what a console is... I'm not knocking them, I own many going way back years.

But realise that they are toys not computers.

Rescorla_ESO · May 2017

W0lf_z13 wrote: »

as stated ... its a microsoft/sony reason... the add-ons would have to be able to break their code which they wouldn't want... On PC there is no "middle man" to go through, so add-ons are between the user and zos where as with console it goes .. user - host ( sony/microsoft ) - zos

Then why do Sony and Microsoft allow player made addons for Skyrim and Fallout 4?

Reverb · May 2017

Rescorla_ESO wrote: »

W0lf_z13 wrote: »

as stated ... its a microsoft/sony reason... the add-ons would have to be able to break their code which they wouldn't want... On PC there is no "middle man" to go through, so add-ons are between the user and zos where as with console it goes .. user - host ( sony/microsoft ) - zos

Then why do Sony and Microsoft allow player made addons for Skyrim and Fallout 4?

Those are mostly static games, that won't be receiving updates and dlc content on a regular cycle forever. It's easier (for both the companies and the player addon creators) to commit to the QA and certification process for a game like that than it is for a game that will be patched monthly with add-on recertification needed for new content several times per year.

Rosveen · May 2017

Reverb wrote: »

Rescorla_ESO wrote: »

W0lf_z13 wrote: »

as stated ... its a microsoft/sony reason... the add-ons would have to be able to break their code which they wouldn't want... On PC there is no "middle man" to go through, so add-ons are between the user and zos where as with console it goes .. user - host ( sony/microsoft ) - zos

Then why do Sony and Microsoft allow player made addons for Skyrim and Fallout 4?

Those are mostly static games, that won't be receiving updates and dlc content on a regular cycle forever. It's easier (for both the companies and the player addon creators) to commit to the QA and certification process for a game like that than it is for a game that will be patched monthly with add-on recertification needed for new content several times per year.

Skyrim and FO4 mods don't go through the standard game certification process or any QA other than what the mod creators choose to do on their own.

Beardimus · May 2017

I'm 100% glad there are no addons. We all play the same game the same way, as for all the junk flying about on PC players games, its horrible.

Rosveen · May 2017

Beardimus wrote: »

I'm 100% glad there are no addons. We all play the same game the same way, as for all the junk flying about on PC players games, its horrible.

Fun fact: addons are optional, you don't have to install them.

GreenSoup2HoT · May 2017

Only way we could get mods is if they were published by zos and implemented into the options.

THEDKEXPERIENCE · May 2017

Rosveen wrote: »

Beardimus wrote: »

I'm 100% glad there are no addons. We all play the same game the same way, as for all the junk flying about on PC players games, its horrible.

Fun fact: addons are optional, you don't have to install them.

"Optional"?

Sure it's an option to play without them if you like to be at a complete and total disadvantage. Add ons on PC are about as optional as playing goalie in the NHL without a mask.

Much like the baseball steroid era add-ons so tilt the playing field in one direction that anyone not using them is screwed. And then, once the best "natural" players start getting their butts handed to them by the less talented it's only a matter of time before the best players use them as well.

So, yeah, while baseball was fun with Barry Bonds Mega-Head smashing 6 dozen homers, there were tons of borderline players who never had a chance to compete.

This is what add-ons do. They are the PEDs of online gaming.

bryanhaas · May 2017

No point in mods for Sony, the mod situation for Skyrim moved me to get Skyrim for X1 and buy and X1. Honestly stupid idea on Sony's parts pushing people to try other consoles but they seem set in their ways. I hate MS but honestly they seem a little more open to things than Sony so maybe I switch MS next time around.

On the subject of the post as some have said I doubt ZoS wants the potential of troubleshooting when mods are involved. There are plenty of issues already mods would just make it worse, but I still want a skyshard finder thingy regardless.