New patch notes, bow got nerfed again... Why?

smokey13a · May 2017

burninggod wrote: »

this is actually a good thing gankers need nerf too like everyone else

correct me if I'm wrong but didn't they remove the stun from stealth so ganker's were already nerfed?

I have the feeling bows auto firing is just going be straight out crap.

Night_Wolf2112 · May 2017

How does this work with MIATs PvP? Can I still start casting a heavy atk and then target a foe before it fires without giving myself away to cheating add-ons?

wolfie1.0. · May 2017

Can i just have an automatic crosbow now so that i can call of duty my way through this game? Also a rocket launcher and magicka saber while your at it

Iyas · May 2017

I like the change

ookami007 · May 2017

aliyavana wrote: »

"Fully charged bow heavy attacks will now atomaticly fire"

"Fully-charged Heavy Attacks will be more important with the resource changes coming in this update, so we want to make sure there are no gameplay barriers to using them."

Translated: We don't like how bow stealth players are attacking from stealth so we are nerfing you while pretending we're doing this for your good.

Goshua · May 2017

MisterBigglesworth wrote: »

For those of you saying "who cares about the unique functionality of bow, just make it work the same as all other heavy attacks"... so then you would be okay with - for example - lightning staff HA be a projectile so DKs can reflect it? Afterall, that would make it "consistent", right?

Give bow users the choice to use the auto-fire or not.

Resto as well? Besides a heavy resto or lightening attack provides nowhere near the up front damage of a heavy bow opener and the skills you can line up essentially straight afterward.

wenchmore420b14_ESO · May 2017

Well, there goes my "Heavy Attack+Poison Injection" combo for 20+dmg.
Why Zos!! Please, bury the nerf hammer now!!!

Potenza · May 2017

I like the change. Why should a bow fire differently than a staff? A heavy attack from a staff works the same way.

Dragonnord · May 2017

Potenza wrote: »

I like the change. Why should a bow fire differently than a staff? A heavy attack from a staff works the same way.

Because ALL BOWS IN THIS WORLD have a way/system that you can use to HOLD your fire and staves do not?

dotme · May 2017

Brilliant change - Now nightblades can be part of the bot farming crew too! Rubber-band that trigger! (By the way, the bots are already leaving Dolmens for other farming spots so I'm not confident the Dolmen "fix" will be as effective as hoped)

This change reminds me of the dismount change, where everyone on Console now involuntarily fires a shot at a friendly NPC whenever they need to get off their horse. It's just change for the sake of change, and offers almost nothing to improve the gaming experience. In fact, most archers draw the string, hold while aiming, then fire. Evidently that's too immersive for ESO.

Deedleqwerty · May 2017

aliyavana wrote: »

"Fully charged bow heavy attacks will now atomaticly fire"

"Fully-charged Heavy Attacks will be more important with the resource changes coming in this update, so we want to make sure there are no gameplay barriers to using them."

The only people this will benifit are those terrible bow build lowbies spamming light attacks and heavy attacks with poison injection every 20 seconds... almost everyone that uses a bow uses it as a secondary weapon and won't be spamming bow heavy attacks anyway... all this does is nerf an already getting nerfed gankblades opening and opening attacks in general.

Not seeing this as a nerf. Good stuff to accommodate the change for heavy attacks across the board.

I've used the bow exclusively as my primary for nearly a year.

Clearly, I'm not "almost everyone."

So, like it says in my .sig - "See you in Cyrodiil."

Tholian1 · May 2017

So does the bow on PTS now auto-fire heavy attacks continuously if you just hold down the button or do you have to press the button again after it auto-fires?

That will be a cheap and dumbed down change if it keeps firing from holding down the button.

jcaceresw · May 2017

I like the change. I use destruction staff and I don't have the ability to keep my heavy attack until I want because it triggers automatically. With this change to bow the heavy attack automatic fire is now a standard mechanic for all ranged weapon skill lines.

jcaceresw · May 2017

Potenza wrote: »

I like the change. Why should a bow fire differently than a staff? A heavy attack from a staff works the same way.

No, staves do not have that benefit. Heavy attacks fires automatically. I use staves on all my characters.

Aliyavana · May 2017

jcaceresw wrote: »

I like the change. I use destruction staff and I don't have the ability to keep my heavy attack until I want because it triggers automatically. With this change to bow the heavy attack automatic fire is now a standard mechanic for all ranged weapon skill lines.

Consistency isn't always good. Staff already outdamages bows so taking away one of bows unique abilities is a bit ugh

Koensol · May 2017

ZOS seems to be unable to translate ideas into a concept called reality. Reality is broader than just using heavy attacks in a rotation. In PvP it is key for gank builds to have a pre-charged heavy attack ready for when you want to let loose. This is just another ridiculous change that hasn't been thought through from different perspectives.

By the way, it used to be like this at launch with bow heavies. Nobody complained when it got changed. This is yet another (indirect) nerf to nightblades. Gank builds in particular. Do you really want us to return to stacking proctard sets in order to gank?! *** hell.

Lord_Eomer · May 2017

This change is mostly affecting gankers,

ZOS is killing ganking with this patch!

Potenza · May 2017

CarbonX wrote: »

Potenza wrote: »

I like the change. Why should a bow fire differently than a staff? A heavy attack from a staff works the same way.

Because ALL BOWS IN THIS WORLD have a way/system that you can use to HOLD your fire and staves do not?

Exactly my point.

Tan9oSuccka · May 2017

Why is this a priority?

Master writs: broken
Group finder: broken
Sorcerers: unbalanced

Let's address bow autofiring heavy attacks as priority!

NeillMcAttack · May 2017

This is a step backwards with regards a bow opener in PvP! Why not make it a toggle along with destro heavy attacks?

GDOFWR420 · May 2017

About time I say.

Aliyavana · May 2017

Tan9oSuccka wrote: »

Why is this a priority?

Master writs: broken
Group finder: broken
Sorcerers: unbalanced

Let's address bow autofiring heavy attacks as priority!

It doesn't take time to simply not patch bows you nwah! All zos needs to do is literally nothing.

Kay1 · May 2017

PlagueSD wrote: »

aliyavana wrote: »

all this does is nerf an already getting nerfed gankblades opening and opening attacks in general.

Who the hell opens from stealth with a Heavy attack over Snipe?

Both are noobs imo, if you use Snipe you're just an inferior peasant that I will tbag after I 1vX you.

MisterBigglesworth · May 2017

I tested it.
Blocking during the wind-up doesn't cancel the auto-fire.
Turning 180 degrees away from the target doesn't cancel the auto-fire. The arrow fires out of your back.

Not even pressing ESC stops the auto-fire.
That's right, once you start the heavy attack, you are locked in!

Tholian1 · May 2017

@MisterBigglesworth , Does it continuously fire heavies if you hold the button down?

SydneyGrey · May 2017

OrphanHelgen wrote: »

It's a nerf to pvp gankers, a buff for pve. I like it.

Bows automatically firing is going to mess up PvE players, too.

MisterBigglesworth wrote: »

I tested it.
Blocking during the wind-up doesn't cancel the auto-fire.
Turning 180 degrees away from the target doesn't cancel the auto-fire. The arrow fires out of your back.
Not even pressing ESC stops the auto-fire.
That's right, once you start the heavy attack, you are locked in!

Ugh. How awful. They made playing with a bow worse.

Cadbury · May 2017

On a serious note, this change to Bow's heavy attack has me wondering if they have something else in store for the other weapons? We have at least one more patch before the official Morrowind release, right?

MisterBigglesworth · May 2017

Tholian1 wrote: »

@MisterBigglesworth , Does it continuously fire heavies if you hold the button down?

Yes, it does. Also, It winds up and fires even if you have no target.

ZOS, please, at the very least allow us to cancel the attack by blocking!

@ZOS_GinaBruno

QuebraRegra · May 2017

so they'e working on fixing animation canceling with a bow? LOL

Tholian1 · May 2017

MisterBigglesworth wrote: »

Tholian1 wrote: »

@MisterBigglesworth , Does it continuously fire heavies if you hold the button down?

Yes, it does. Also, It winds up and fires even if you have no target.

ZOS, please, at the very least allow us to cancel the attack by blocking!

@ZOS_GinaBruno

Now I am wondering if abilities even cancel the wind up. So I am assuming I could just hold the trigger for my bow and let it automatically fire heavy attacks while just pressing my ability buttons along with it.