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Nerfing my fun
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Once again I found something fun. It wasn't strong. It didn't really hit hard. It was fast. That was it. I'm trying to stay positive with all these changes but it just sucks I spent 2 million plus ap on a build multiple exp scrolls and time just for them to take it away. The sustainability on this was already rough. Now I can't even use this.
Goodbye Orc Stam Sorc with Fiords Legacy.
I thought these changes were to help diversify builds. Now 3+ pvp builds are ruined by this change.
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Edited by ZOS_CoriJ on April 19, 2018 11:33PM Goodbye Orc Stam Sorc with Fiords Legacy.
I thought these changes were to help diversify builds. Now 3+ pvp builds are ruined by this change.
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Fallen_Ray✭✭✭✭✭That sucks... This is one of the main reasons I don't dedicate much efforts to MMOs. You basically cut your own veins to get a competitive build together only for it to be nerfed at the download of a patch.
Edited by Fallen_Ray on May 8, 2017 6:02PM"Dear brother, I do not spread rumors, I create them"- Lucien Lachance11 -
Gorthax✭✭✭✭✭
✭Well you can thank all the stam toons that can out run mounts, turn around, kill some one, run miles away if swarmed, back again, and pick people off like that.
It was only a matter of time before this happened. Back when they nerfed bolt escape it was because "No one should have such high mobility and damage with no penalty."3 -
SanSan✭✭✭✭✭I feel like this game will never be balanced because ZoS has no idea how to balance it. They just throw out crap hoping it'll work.7 -
Koolio✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Well you can thank all the stam toons that can out run mounts, turn around, kill some one, run miles away if swarmed, back again, and pick people off like that.
It was only a matter of time before this happened. Back when they nerfed bolt escape it was because "No one should have such high mobility and damage with no penalty."
The sacrifice of damage for this build was huge. As well as sustain. Doesn't help people can just mount after 6 secs. Nightblades can just cloak. Stam Sorc run. But you can't because people just mount up an Zerg you down. With no counter.0 -
Shadow_Viper_vX✭✭✭✭✭It's Fine, Learn to Play
Adapt and Overcome
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Koolio✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Shadow_Viper_vX wrote: »It's Fine, Learn to Play
Adapt and Overcome
I did. I adapted when I made this build. Put 15 Days of playtime on this character make only for this build not work. I can only adapt 12 characters per year 6 times before I say *** it and take my leave. Which sucks because I love this game. Adapt to my "Fun" being removed. Lol. That's funny.Edited by ZOS_CoriJ on April 19, 2018 11:34PM9 -
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✭✭✭✭Shadow_Viper_vX wrote: »It's Fine, Learn to Play
Adapt and Overcome
Stop Crying
I did. I adapted when I made this build. Put 15 Days of playtime on this character make only for this build not work. I can only adapt 12 characters per year 6 times before I say *** it and take my leave. Which sucks because I love this game. Adapt to my "Fun" being removed. Lol. That's funny.
Stick with 1 toon. Make adjustments every 3 months without going overboard. Hand down the nerfed gear to alts. That's the best advice I can give you.
There is only one eternal truth in MMOs. If it's awesome it'll eventually get nerfed.3 -
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✭This entire patch is about nerfing fun. Homogenization while calling it "balance" is still homogenization.
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I know, right? How many times a year do people have to "adapt and overcome"? Twice a year? Really, there wouldn't be an issue if they just made smaller changes, instead of giant changes that completely messed up people's characters overnight.I did. I adapted when I made this build. Put 15 Days of playtime on this character make only for this build not work. I can only adapt 12 characters per year 6 times before I say *** it and take my leave. Which sucks because I love this game. Adapt to my "Fun" being removed. Lol. That's funny.
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Shadow_Viper_vX✭✭✭✭✭Shadow_Viper_vX wrote: »Well you can thank all the stam toons that can out run mounts, turn around, kill some one, run miles away if swarmed, back again, and pick people off like that.
It was only a matter of time before this happened. Back when they nerfed bolt escape it was because "No one should have such high mobility and damage with no penalty."
Exactly, another easy-mode being turned off so of course people are going to cry about it.
Did you even try this build. It wasn't exactly easy. So Try a wrecking blow when you run faster than than a mount . it's very difficult. Just running a round a tower is a deadly endeavor if you're not good with it.
And this is exactly why it got nerfed...2 -
Koolio✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Shadow_Viper_vX wrote: »Shadow_Viper_vX wrote: »Well you can thank all the stam toons that can out run mounts, turn around, kill some one, run miles away if swarmed, back again, and pick people off like that.
It was only a matter of time before this happened. Back when they nerfed bolt escape it was because "No one should have such high mobility and damage with no penalty."
Exactly, another easy-mode being turned off so of course people are going to cry about it.
Did you even try this build. It wasn't exactly easy. So Try a wrecking blow when you run faster than than a mount . it's very difficult. Just running a round a tower is a deadly endeavor if you're not good with it.
And this is exactly why it got nerfed...
So you tell me how "easy" it was then when I explain how difficult it is you say that's why it got nerfed? I'm confused.3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I feel like this game will never be balanced because ZoS has no idea how to balance it. They just throw out crap hoping it'll work.
well the problem in any multiplayer game is - it's easier to balance the less variables you have but that also reduces variety...so they can make all the classes and skills much more similar with little variety - then you'd have more balance but would that be really fun?1 -
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✭✭✭✭Shadow_Viper_vX wrote: »Shadow_Viper_vX wrote: »Well you can thank all the stam toons that can out run mounts, turn around, kill some one, run miles away if swarmed, back again, and pick people off like that.
It was only a matter of time before this happened. Back when they nerfed bolt escape it was because "No one should have such high mobility and damage with no penalty."
Exactly, another easy-mode being turned off so of course people are going to cry about it.
Did you even try this build. It wasn't exactly easy. So Try a wrecking blow when you run faster than than a mount . it's very difficult. Just running a round a tower is a deadly endeavor if you're not good with it.
And this is exactly why it got nerfed...
So you tell me how "easy" it was then when I explain how difficult it is you say that's why it got nerfed? I'm confused.
The easy part has nothing to do with it. The running faster than most mounts does.0 -
Mashille✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Could someone enlighten me on what ZOS did that has annoyed OP?
I understand they did something that invalidated his build or something I would just like to know what it was
House Baratheon: 'Ours Is The Fury'2 -
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✭Once again I found something fun. It wasn't strong. It didn't really hit hard. It was fast. That was it. I'm trying to stay positive with all these changes but it just sucks I spent 2 million plus ap on a build multiple exp scrolls and time just for them to take it away. The sustainability on this was already rough. Now I can't even use this.
Goodbye Orc Stam Sorc with Fiords Legacy.
I thought these changes were to help diversify builds. Now 3+ pvp builds are ruined by this change.
I feel ya, but don't toss it yet, I think that set has some promise in Morrowind, even with cowards.
[minor edit for quote]Edited by ZOS_CoriJ on April 19, 2018 11:36PM“Whatever.”
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✭✭THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »Shadow_Viper_vX wrote: »Shadow_Viper_vX wrote: »Well you can thank all the stam toons that can out run mounts, turn around, kill some one, run miles away if swarmed, back again, and pick people off like that.
It was only a matter of time before this happened. Back when they nerfed bolt escape it was because "No one should have such high mobility and damage with no penalty."
Exactly, another easy-mode being turned off so of course people are going to cry about it.
Did you even try this build. It wasn't exactly easy. So Try a wrecking blow when you run faster than than a mount . it's very difficult. Just running a round a tower is a deadly endeavor if you're not good with it.
And this is exactly why it got nerfed...
So you tell me how "easy" it was then when I explain how difficult it is you say that's why it got nerfed? I'm confused.
The easy part has nothing to do with it. The running faster than most mounts does.
It was counterplay to the 15 people about to just mount up and Zerg you across the mount. Now if your not in a Zerg there no change at even escaping. I even used anti Calvary caltrop " might be the only person to use that morph". Because they would just 60 mount speed me down after a measly 6 secs. So I would use this in tight quarters to get away1 -
Sensei_Brew✭✭Shadow_Viper_vX wrote: »It's Fine, Learn to Play
Adapt and Overcome
Stop Crying
I did. I adapted when I made this build. Put 15 Days of playtime on this character make only for this build not work. I can only adapt 12 characters per year 6 times before I say *** it and take my leave. Which sucks because I love this game. Adapt to my "Fun" being removed. Lol. That's funny.
Probably should wait until Morrowind drops before starting your new builds......0 -
Gargis✭✭✭This is why I quit WOW. To avoid the drastic mood swings of the Devs. Instead of really balancing the game and sticking with it so folks can have a class that they can rely on its game play.They feel compelled to constantly add the next thing to chase, because I can only surmise that it will bring in revenue.
If they were really interested in balance, then they would have disabled monster helm/shoulder sets in pvp. Can't do that though, as it will interrupt the cycle of "carrot chasing". This game will never be balanced, and it never has even been close.
I have to admit though, perusing the pvp threads can be amusing. Here is a clue, stop rewarding bad design with money. If your not sure, don't buy the expansion...and that is a liberal connotation. Instead, sit back and chill, with or w/o monthly sub.
One thing they did not F up, the story line and immersion. That gets a A mark for sure.
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✭✭✭✭THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »Shadow_Viper_vX wrote: »Shadow_Viper_vX wrote: »Well you can thank all the stam toons that can out run mounts, turn around, kill some one, run miles away if swarmed, back again, and pick people off like that.
It was only a matter of time before this happened. Back when they nerfed bolt escape it was because "No one should have such high mobility and damage with no penalty."
Exactly, another easy-mode being turned off so of course people are going to cry about it.
Did you even try this build. It wasn't exactly easy. So Try a wrecking blow when you run faster than than a mount . it's very difficult. Just running a round a tower is a deadly endeavor if you're not good with it.
And this is exactly why it got nerfed...
So you tell me how "easy" it was then when I explain how difficult it is you say that's why it got nerfed? I'm confused.
The easy part has nothing to do with it. The running faster than most mounts does.
It was counterplay to the 15 people about to just mount up and Zerg you across the mount. Now if your not in a Zerg there no change at even escaping. I even used anti Calvary caltrop " might be the only person to use that morph". Because they would just 60 mount speed me down after a measly 6 secs. So I would use this in tight quarters to get away
I get why you did it, and I respect your out-of-the-box thinking, but "running faster than mounts" is the type of thing that would clearly be on the chopping block. I've been right and wrong on nerf calls, but much like the 60k Radiant Oppressions I was putting out a few months ago, I knew it couldn't last.
As for other options in the face of certain death, may I suggest always traveling with an invisibility potion on your hot bar. That's what I do. At the smallest inkling of danger I pop one and I have about 15 seconds to figure out what to do. Give it a try. Invisibility + Speed potions can save your butt.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Shad0wfire99 wrote: »This entire patch is about nerfing fun. Homogenization while calling it "balance" is still homogenization.
it certainly does has that feel to it...PVP Campaigns Section: Playstation NA and EU (Gray Host) - This Must be the Place1 -
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✭✭Can someone on PTS please test this.
"We are doing these sustain changes to diversify viable builds for everyone"
"We need to find those builds and nerf them"
Will be a meme shortly lolEdited by Koolio on May 8, 2017 7:14PM1 -
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✭✭Nemesis7884 wrote: »I feel like this game will never be balanced because ZoS has no idea how to balance it. They just throw out crap hoping it'll work.
well the problem in any multiplayer game is - it's easier to balance the less variables you have but that also reduces variety...so they can make all the classes and skills much more similar with little variety - then you'd have more balance but would that be really fun?
Well since we are all pushed into 1 or 2 builds anyway because some skills just so severely underperform they might as well do this anyway to balance it all out.0 -
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✭Once again I found something fun. It wasn't strong. It didn't really hit hard. It was fast. That was it. I'm trying to stay positive with all these changes but it just sucks I spent 2 million plus ap on a build multiple exp scrolls and time just for them to take it away. The sustainability on this was already rough. Now I can't even use this.
Goodbye Orc Stam Sorc with Fiords Legacy.
I thought these changes were to help diversify builds. Now 3+ pvp builds are ruined by this change.
No offense but stam sorcs are the best sustain class in the game by far. I have 32k max stam on my stam sorc with 1200 magicka recovery ( for infinite dark deals. )
Are you running dark deal on a bar? Its the best class ability for stam sorcs
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Koolio✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Ihatenightblades wrote: »Once again I found something fun. It wasn't strong. It didn't really hit hard. It was fast. That was it. I'm trying to stay positive with all these changes but it just sucks I spent 2 million plus ap on a build multiple exp scrolls and time just for them to take it away. The sustainability on this was already rough. Now I can't even use this.
Goodbye Orc Stam Sorc with Fiords Legacy.
I thought these changes were to help diversify builds. Now 3+ pvp builds are ruined by this change.
*** you Zenimax.
No offense but stam sorcs are the best sustain class in the game by far. I have 32k max stam on my stam sorc with 1200 magicka recovery ( for infinite dark deals. )
Are you running dark deal on a bar? Its the best class ability for stam sorcs
The faster you run the more it drains. Dark deal works fine but after 10 secs of sprint you used the whole bar just to get to %50. The sustain nerfs were already going to hurt this build a lot.
What good is running fast if you have to slow down to dark deal 5 times?
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Gorthax✭✭✭✭✭
✭Could someone enlighten me on what ZOS did that has annoyed OP?
I understand they did something that invalidated his build or something I would just like to know what it was
@Mashille if you read the patch notes, all these builds that run like the flash are no longer going to be viable finally...let me repeat FINALLY. No longer will you see derps run for the horizon before they die and make it there before you can even mount.
Thats what op is mad about. His/her build was based on super fast movement speed but according to them it lacked dps. Which means they focused on running away instead of fighting. The builds that combine both insane movement speed with high dps are the builds that got crippled, OP was doing it wrong if they were not dishing out dps while having such high mobility.
Since the mobility nerf for stacking movement speed is coming out, this build of theirs is now ruined. Like someone else in this thread said, if the build you are running is breaking the game you might as well have a backup plan in place or you will be where op is: "I hate you zos" because it will get destroyed by wrobel1
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