The argument against hiding vampirism is selfish and ridiculous

Aliyavana · May 2017

Yes, if pay/ or love to earn a mortal skin disguise so i could hide my vamparism and help with rp (vampires would hide among mortals) and so i can enjoy not having my tatoos bleached and not looking overall ugly

DjMuscleboy02 wrote: »

Can we get an estimate of when this will be fixed? My guild is all quitting because we're so ugly

Lolol imagine the boss dropping dead because all the ugliness of the vampires

TheTwistedRune · May 2017

Personally I love the way vampires look in this game, especially at stage 4. But that comes down to taste I suppose. I for one am not against an option to hide vampirism, provided it only hides it on your character, and not everybody else.

However, one does wonder why ZOS is holding off on the decision to enable this feature. Perhaps it is because it sets a precedent? If some people want to hide vampirism, maybe others would like to hide werewolf form too? Or perhaps their race as well? Where do you draw the line? At what point does it begin to affect gameplay in the sense of how your are approached by other players?

Design decisions are not taking lightly in these games. ZOS must have their reasons but it would be interesting to know what those reasons are.

I for one can't stand the shoulder pads and hip flaps in this game. Most look RIDICULOUS. I would love the option to hide them. But making game aesthetics pleasing to everyone is just as hard as balancing the game IMO.

ADarklore · May 2017

no, you are a vampire and I wanna force my cosmetic preference on you even though I can choose to stay looking a vampire myself if i want and even tho players can hide their skins already with hidious flashlight skins and disguises

Enslaved wrote: »

Didnt know so many ppl are salty about vampirism. Oh, well.

We're not salty, we just feel people should learn to live with their choices. If you know ahead of time that in ESO vampirism will make you ugly, then you have the choice not to become a vampire. However, these people want all the vampire benefits but none of the negatives... and what ZOS has done is put a 'cost' on becoming a vampire and having those benefits- which is fair. After all, the tiny negatives associated with maintaining level 4 Vampirism means that the only real negative you suffer is the ugliness factor. I wonder how many of them would trade good looks with huge consequences for each of the higher levels of Vampirism? I'm betting we'd see tons of "ZOS ruined vampires" threads left and right. So, take the good with the bad, otherwise, just stay a normal human but 'pretend' you're a shiny Twilight vampire.

Shadow_Viper_vX · May 2017

Hi Welcome

By the way, calling anyone who disagrees with you 'selfish and ridiculous' is a great way to have your thread taken seriously and support gained ;-)

STEVIL · May 2017

no, you are a vampire and I wanna force my cosmetic preference on you even though I can choose to stay looking a vampire myself if i want and even tho players can hide their skins already with hidious flashlight skins and disguises

Why cant my khajiit look like a high elf cuz you know it will help me fool folks?

Also, voted no on principle against those who load only their own biases overtly as reasons tacked onto vote options.

Zyrudin · May 2017

no, you are a vampire and I wanna force my cosmetic preference on you even though I can choose to stay looking a vampire myself if i want and even tho players can hide their skins already with hidious flashlight skins and disguises

Enslaved · May 2017

Yes, if pay/ or love to earn a mortal skin disguise so i could hide my vamparism and help with rp (vampires would hide among mortals) and so i can enjoy not having my tatoos bleached and not looking overall ugly

ADarklore wrote: »

Enslaved wrote: »

Didnt know so many ppl are salty about vampirism. Oh, well.

We're not salty, we just feel people should learn to live with their choices. If you know ahead of time that in ESO vampirism will make you ugly, then you have the choice not to become a vampire. However, these people want all the vampire benefits but none of the negatives... and what ZOS has done is put a 'cost' on becoming a vampire and having those benefits- which is fair. After all, the tiny negatives associated with maintaining level 4 Vampirism means that the only real negative you suffer is the ugliness factor. I wonder how many of them would trade good looks with huge consequences for each of the higher levels of Vampirism? I'm betting we'd see tons of "ZOS ruined vampires" threads left and right. So, take the good with the bad, otherwise, just stay a normal human but 'pretend' you're a shiny Twilight vampire.

Last time I checked, vampires have pretty much serious vulnerability to fire. And if you choose to drop to stage 1, there are zero benefits from passives. In game that has its real cash based store filled with so many cosmetic appareil, it is pretty F. R. to expect that ppl will buy them if they cannot show them because of something that is clearly broken ass mechanic. If some NPC vampires can suppress their true nature and appear as common folk, why are players forced to look like freshly digged corpses? Zos would earn so much cash just on a trivial thing such as normal skin to hide vampiric looks, and many vampires would buy their body markings, tattoos and other crown store stuff. I mean, it is so simple that its laughable matter.

starkerealm · May 2017

Yes, if pay/ or love to earn a mortal skin disguise so i could hide my vamparism and help with rp (vampires would hide among mortals) and so i can enjoy not having my tatoos bleached and not looking overall ugly

Enslaved wrote: »

ADarklore wrote: »

Enslaved wrote: »

Didnt know so many ppl are salty about vampirism. Oh, well.

We're not salty, we just feel people should learn to live with their choices. If you know ahead of time that in ESO vampirism will make you ugly, then you have the choice not to become a vampire. However, these people want all the vampire benefits but none of the negatives... and what ZOS has done is put a 'cost' on becoming a vampire and having those benefits- which is fair. After all, the tiny negatives associated with maintaining level 4 Vampirism means that the only real negative you suffer is the ugliness factor. I wonder how many of them would trade good looks with huge consequences for each of the higher levels of Vampirism? I'm betting we'd see tons of "ZOS ruined vampires" threads left and right. So, take the good with the bad, otherwise, just stay a normal human but 'pretend' you're a shiny Twilight vampire.

Last time I checked, vampires have pretty much serious vulnerability to fire. And if you choose to drop to stage 1, there are zero benefits from passives. In game that has its real cash based store filled with so many cosmetic appareil, it is pretty F. R. to expect that ppl will buy them if they cannot show them because of something that is clearly broken ass mechanic. If some NPC vampires can suppress their true nature and appear as common folk, why are players forced to look like freshly digged corpses? Zos would earn so much cash just on a trivial thing such as normal skin to hide vampiric looks, and many vampires would buy their body markings, tattoos and other crown store stuff. I mean, it is so simple that its laughable matter.

At Stage 1, you also have zero vulnerability to fire.

Rickter · May 2017

you want the perks and not the drawbacks. . .

so typical.

what particularly made me eye twitch is when you said "ZOS is nerfing sustain so we HAVE to be vampires"

that was a good one. us Pure Bloods see you weaklings as diseased humans.

Shadow_Viper_vX · May 2017

The less stage of vampirism that you character is in, the less they look like a vampire. ;-)

It's Fine, Learn to Play

Adapt and Overcome

Stop Crying

Bouldercleave · May 2017

aliyavana wrote: »

Of course I'm aggressive, rp and visuals are one of my main factors for playing this game and being forced to min max as a vamp ruins the visual factor in gameplay

No one is forcing you to be a min/maxer as a vampire. There in is the problem. You can't have everything.

If RP and visuals are your thing and you don't like looking like a vampire - don't be one.

If you want to min/max and feel vamp is the only way to go - own it.

Rianai · May 2017

Bouldercleave wrote: »

No one is forcing you to be a min/maxer as a vampire. There in is the problem. You can't have everything.

A min/max player who likes the look of vampires can have everything, so why not everyone else too?

The visual transformation of vampires isn't a compensation for the benefits they get, because it is entirely subjective whether you view it as disadvantage or not. And therefore is doesn't has to be "forced" onto somebody who wants an optimized charakter.

I would prefer, if min/maxing and the appearance of a character would not interfere in general. It is not only a vampire "issue".

Shadow_Viper_vX · May 2017

I do love the irony in the thread title though :-)

Zyrudin · May 2017

no, you are a vampire and I wanna force my cosmetic preference on you even though I can choose to stay looking a vampire myself if i want and even tho players can hide their skins already with hidious flashlight skins and disguises

Vampire appearance suggestion:

Saturnana · May 2017

aliyavana wrote: »

Shadow_Viper_vX wrote: »

If you don't want to look like a vampire, don't be a vampire.

Simple as that.

The vampire's appearance is part of it's penalties/drawbacks

What strength/advantage would you want to lose to not look like a vampire?

There is more important things for ZOS to be focusing on fixing at the moment(like lag/performance).

This is a non-issue.

Silly Thread is Silly

Because the gameplay balance team is different from the people who work on cosmetics I am sure these important things you are speaking of would not be affected. This supposed non issue you speak of is important to many of us... if you spend a considerable amount of time in the forums you know cosmetics are important to us, look at how often transmog crown store requests, and hide vampirism threads pop up. I am sorry that the game doesn't completely revolve around your "important things" but I am asking for zos to enhance the rp in mmorpg, you know... that stuff rpers do? Which the elder scrolls community is fairly large... [SNIp]

[Edited for rude comments]

You have not answered their question, you just blatantly pushed your point further.

The thing that you do not seem to realize is that by demanding the game to cater to your wants and needs without compromise, you're doing the exact same thing as the people you're accusing of 'telling you how to play'. A lot of people may not want to game in a world where vampires (can) look like any average Joe.

There are ways to hide your vampirism. Use them, or don't.
For instance, any quest disguise will make you appear completely normal as far as I'm aware.
There's a handy list here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_XgWtzKO4w

If you'd like to see things differently, propose a realistic change with compromise. Which brings me back to the original post I quoted, because it is a very valid question. Since a vampire's look is part of their 'balance', what aspect of their skill line would you propose to lose [EDIT: or change, I suppose] in exchange for your 'normal-skin'?

Shadow_Viper_vX · May 2017

More than a little flamebaiting in the OP :-/

Bouldercleave · May 2017

Rianai wrote: »

Bouldercleave wrote: »

No one is forcing you to be a min/maxer as a vampire. There in is the problem. You can't have everything.

A min/max player who likes the look of vampires can have everything, so why not everyone else too?

Because precious, sometimes in life you don't get everything that you want and not everything is perfectly equal.

Rianai · May 2017

How can something completely subjective be used for "balance"? And why would somebody care about how other players' characters look like?

Edit:

Bouldercleave wrote: »

Because precious, sometimes in life you don't get everything that you want and not everything is perfectly equal.

That's not a reason to make something not more equal.

QuebraRegra · May 2017

Yes, if pay/ or love to earn a mortal skin disguise so i could hide my vamparism and help with rp (vampires would hide among mortals) and so i can enjoy not having my tatoos bleached and not looking overall ugly

"vampire appearance conceal" should come with the skill line at lvl "x".

blabliblargh · May 2017

Wanna be a vampire ? Deal with the consequences. It makes your decision to be a vampire more important rather than just " I wanna use those vampire skills for free, because, well, vampire, and why not ?".

Browiseth · May 2017

Yes, if pay/ or love to earn a mortal skin disguise so i could hide my vamparism and help with rp (vampires would hide among mortals) and so i can enjoy not having my tatoos bleached and not looking overall ugly

as many are saying, biased poll

but i also agree people in this game are selfish with the mindset of "it doesn't concern me, so it shouldn't be added" that so many seem to share

so i'm very torn on who i should make fun of

Shadow_Viper_vX · May 2017

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SodanTok · May 2017

no, you are a vampire and I wanna force my cosmetic preference on you even though I can choose to stay looking a vampire myself if i want and even tho players can hide their skins already with hidious flashlight skins and disguises

Last time I checked there is way to hide vampirism, it is called "cure vampirism".

Either cure it or complain about being forced to play vampire by PVP meta. There is nothing in between.

STEVIL · May 2017

no, you are a vampire and I wanna force my cosmetic preference on you even though I can choose to stay looking a vampire myself if i want and even tho players can hide their skins already with hidious flashlight skins and disguises

sodantokb16_ESO wrote: »

Last time I checked there is way to hide vampirism, it is called "cure vampirism".

Either cure it or complain about being forced to play vampire by PVP meta. There is nothing in between.

or any disguise will do the trick. in pve at least.

starkerealm · May 2017

Yes, if pay/ or love to earn a mortal skin disguise so i could hide my vamparism and help with rp (vampires would hide among mortals) and so i can enjoy not having my tatoos bleached and not looking overall ugly

lnsane wrote: »

Since a vampire's look is part of their 'balance', what aspect of their skill line would you propose to lose [EDIT: or change, I suppose] in exchange for your 'normal-skin'?

As it stands right now, vampires at Stage One are functionally indistinguishable from human. They have no passives active (except for savage feeding and the ability to turn other players).

So, here's a thought, while you're in Stage 1, and have no vampire abilities slotted, you appear to be mortal. At that point, you effectively are, (except for undaunted passives, anyway).

starkerealm · May 2017

Yes, if pay/ or love to earn a mortal skin disguise so i could hide my vamparism and help with rp (vampires would hide among mortals) and so i can enjoy not having my tatoos bleached and not looking overall ugly

STEVIL wrote: »

sodantokb16_ESO wrote: »

Last time I checked there is way to hide vampirism, it is called "cure vampirism".

Either cure it or complain about being forced to play vampire by PVP meta. There is nothing in between.

or any disguise will do the trick. in pve at least.

The downside with that is it also disables any cosmetic collectibles you have active. So no custom hair, no crown store tattoos, or new scars. Those all shut down.

STEVIL · May 2017

no, you are a vampire and I wanna force my cosmetic preference on you even though I can choose to stay looking a vampire myself if i want and even tho players can hide their skins already with hidious flashlight skins and disguises

starkerealm wrote: »

STEVIL wrote: »

sodantokb16_ESO wrote: »

Last time I checked there is way to hide vampirism, it is called "cure vampirism".

Either cure it or complain about being forced to play vampire by PVP meta. There is nothing in between.

or any disguise will do the trick. in pve at least.

The downside with that is it also disables any cosmetic collectibles you have active. So no custom hair, no crown store tattoos, or new scars. Those all shut down.

well, it is called a disguise.

i like games where there are trade-offs and choices matter. This game has that.

i might want to have sorc abilities and templar heals and nb cloak but i have to make choices.... same as when i chose race which includes cosmetics and same as when i chose vamp.

would you be ok with an option where you get vamp as an ultimate and get no appearance or other gains until you trigger the ulti, like ww has? (could be interesting esp if length of unlti transform was dependent on stage of v before - stage 1 lasts longer than stage 4 due to more blood - so you have to feed a lot to have a strong vamp form.)

or is this a case of wanting it all with no trade-off?

starkerealm · May 2017

Yes, if pay/ or love to earn a mortal skin disguise so i could hide my vamparism and help with rp (vampires would hide among mortals) and so i can enjoy not having my tatoos bleached and not looking overall ugly

STEVIL wrote: »

or is this a case of wanting it all with no trade-off?

I don't know if you've actually got a vampire.

If you do, I want you to do me one small favor: Log in, feed up to stage 1, then look at your tooltip, and tell me what it says.

XDragonDoomX · May 2017

no, you are a vampire and I wanna force my cosmetic preference on you even though I can choose to stay looking a vampire myself if i want and even tho players can hide their skins already with hidious flashlight skins and disguises

Yr a vampire.
Vampirism is ugly.
Get over it & get on with your (un)life.

clocksstoppe · May 2017

no, you are a vampire and I wanna force my cosmetic preference on you even though I can choose to stay looking a vampire myself if i want and even tho players can hide their skins already with hidious flashlight skins and disguises

OP isn't even a minmaxer, even though they claim they are. Real minmaxers don't care about appearance. Real minmaxers just slap a costume on their characters and proceed to minmax instead of complaining about vampire face.