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About the Warden and Cliff Racer..
Nelson_Rebel
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So ZOS's logic for this was that cliff racer had a cast time and therefore easy to dodge, said during ESO live.
If that is the case, then WHY are these skills dodgeable and not Cliff racer?
@ZOS_GinaBruno
@ZOS_JessicaFolsom
@Wrobel
@ZOS_RichLambert
Dark flare- Huge travel time AND cast time.
Snipe- Huge Travel Time AND cast time
Funnel health- Travel time
Crystal Frags- Travel time AND cast time
Stone Fist- Travel Time
All of these are spammables with cast times That ARE dodgeable. WHY is cliff racer going to be an exception?
This question was mentioned in the public server however I'm posting it as a poll to gather feedback from the General section for more visibility.
*Edited to add Stone fist*
Edited by Nelson_Rebel on May 4, 2017 4:30AM If that is the case, then WHY are these skills dodgeable and not Cliff racer?
@ZOS_GinaBruno
@ZOS_JessicaFolsom
@Wrobel
@ZOS_RichLambert
Dark flare- Huge travel time AND cast time.
Snipe- Huge Travel Time AND cast time
Funnel health- Travel time
Crystal Frags- Travel time AND cast time
Stone Fist- Travel Time
All of these are spammables with cast times That ARE dodgeable. WHY is cliff racer going to be an exception?
This question was mentioned in the public server however I'm posting it as a poll to gather feedback from the General section for more visibility.
*Edited to add Stone fist*
About the Warden and Cliff Racer.. 66 votes
Good Question, sacrifice and summon Gina_Bruno
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12 votes
Because Warden should be OP
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13 votes
I don't know, But here is my guess
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6 votes
It shouldn't be un-dodgeable
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35 votes
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subtlezeroub17_ESO✭✭✭✭Nelson_Rebel wrote: »So ZOS's logic for this was that cliff racer had a cast time and therefore easy to dodge, said during ESO live.
If that is the case, then WHY are these skills dodgeable and not Cliff racer?
@ZOS_GinaBruno
@ZOS_JessicaFolsom
@Wrobel
@ZOS_RichLambert
Dark flare- Huge travel time AND cast time.
Snipe- Huge Travel Time AND cast time
Funnel health- Travel time
Crystal Frags- Travel time AND cast time
Stone Fist- Travel Time
All of these are spammables with cast times That ARE dodgeable. WHY is cliff racer going to be an exception?
This question was mentioned in the public server however I'm posting it as a poll to gather feedback from the General section for more visibility.
*Edited to add Stone fist*
Ahhh, here we go again with people not looking at the big picture. You prefer to focus on one thing and ignore the whole pie
*ahem*
It's because this is their only offensive skill out of 3.It is really that simple. They have a whopping 3 offensive skills not including the bear. So, let's say you dodge the cliff racer. What else can they do? A ground AoE with an easily roll dodged delay and a DoT.
That's it.
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Nelson_Rebel✭✭✭✭✭
✭Good Question, sacrifice and summon Gina_BrunoNemesis7884 wrote: »you couldn't dodge those things in morrowind...staying true to LORE
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leepalmer95✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭subtlezeroub17_ESO wrote: »Nelson_Rebel wrote: »So ZOS's logic for this was that cliff racer had a cast time and therefore easy to dodge, said during ESO live.
If that is the case, then WHY are these skills dodgeable and not Cliff racer?
@ZOS_GinaBruno
@ZOS_JessicaFolsom
@Wrobel
@ZOS_RichLambert
Dark flare- Huge travel time AND cast time.
Snipe- Huge Travel Time AND cast time
Funnel health- Travel time
Crystal Frags- Travel time AND cast time
Stone Fist- Travel Time
All of these are spammables with cast times That ARE dodgeable. WHY is cliff racer going to be an exception?
This question was mentioned in the public server however I'm posting it as a poll to gather feedback from the General section for more visibility.
*Edited to add Stone fist*
Ahhh, here we go again with people not looking at the big picture. You prefer to focus on one thing and ignore the whole pie
*ahem*
It's because this is their only offensive skill out of 3.It is really that simple. They have a whopping 3 offensive skills not including the bear. So, let's say you dodge the cliff racer. What else can they do? A ground AoE with an easily roll dodged delay and a DoT.
That's it.
/thread
So their skill should be unreflectable and undodgeable? Nah still not a good enough reason.PS4 EU DC
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Nelson_Rebel✭✭✭✭✭
✭Good Question, sacrifice and summon Gina_Brunosubtlezeroub17_ESO wrote: »Nelson_Rebel wrote: »So ZOS's logic for this was that cliff racer had a cast time and therefore easy to dodge, said during ESO live.
If that is the case, then WHY are these skills dodgeable and not Cliff racer?
@ZOS_GinaBruno
@ZOS_JessicaFolsom
@Wrobel
@ZOS_RichLambert
Dark flare- Huge travel time AND cast time.
Snipe- Huge Travel Time AND cast time
Funnel health- Travel time
Crystal Frags- Travel time AND cast time
Stone Fist- Travel Time
All of these are spammables with cast times That ARE dodgeable. WHY is cliff racer going to be an exception?
This question was mentioned in the public server however I'm posting it as a poll to gather feedback from the General section for more visibility.
*Edited to add Stone fist*
Ahhh, here we go again with people not looking at the big picture. You prefer to focus on one thing and ignore the whole pie
*ahem*
It's because this is their only offensive skill out of 3.It is really that simple. They have a whopping 3 offensive skills not including the bear. So, let's say you dodge the cliff racer. What else can they do? A ground AoE with an easily roll dodged delay and a DoT.
That's it.
/thread
Ah here we go with someone trying to distract from a clearly flawed issue
You must have forgotten the weapon skill lines huh?
Edited by Nelson_Rebel on May 4, 2017 4:42AM5 -
RT_Frank✭✭✭I don't know, But here is my guessBecause ZOS wants that cash money
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Though the one thing about that skill that is even dumber is how the stam morph does nothing extra while the magic one gets a damage boost...Edited by RT_Frank on May 4, 2017 5:49AM5 -
Nelson_Rebel✭✭✭✭✭
✭Good Question, sacrifice and summon Gina_BrunoBecause ZOS wants that cash money.
Though the one thing about that skill that is even dumber is how the stam morph does nothing extra while the magic one gets a damage boost...
lol exactly!
And yes, Yet another push towards magicka's continued dominance of anything and everything. And I main Magicka players. I don't like this shifting of dominance, just keep it even alreadyEdited by Nelson_Rebel on May 4, 2017 5:54AM0 -
Enslaved✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Let me see you dodge frags in Cyro when XvX battle on fields of Sejanus is on or something. From what we know, Cliff Racer can be blocked, yes? Also, if you can't see huge ass dinosaur screaming and rushing to kamikaze your chest cavity so you don't block, joke is on you.Edited by Enslaved on May 4, 2017 6:14AM2 -
notimetocare✭✭✭✭✭
✭I don't know, But here is my guessLiving creature vs magic balls and arrows. Pretty sure only on has a brain0 -
Didaco✭✭✭✭Imho this will be the next most hated skill in pvp, people will be crying for nerfs as they are currently doing with mSorcs.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭It shouldn't be un-dodgeableImho this will be the next most hated skill in pvp, people will be crying for nerfs as they are currently doing with mSorcs.
Yeah... As far as I know the favourite mag sorc spam-able skill in PvP is "Haunting Curse". It so happens that it is also un-dodge-able & un-block-able... hmm....
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✭Wardens gonna be like:
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Wrubius_Coronaria✭✭✭✭✭Good Question, sacrifice and summon Gina_BrunoAnimated it's better!
Can't dodge this, can't dodge this. Run, run!
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candesco✭Nemesis7884 wrote: »you couldn't dodge those things in morrowind...staying true to LORE
Nope. You just have to defeat them. The Molag Amur region and West Gash are crawling with cliffracers. Especially if you go just outside Maar Gan and then travel through the foyada there. I just hit them with fireballs, since my char in TES III: Morrowind is a custom made altmer sorcerer. The good old bow and arrow will help as well. Or just wait until they are lowered and whack them with umbra or goldbrand. And otherwise lure them to a town or village and let the guards deal with them. That is what happens anyway in Ald'Ruhn, just behind the temple.0 -
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No need, an good bow dropped them well enough.Nemesis7884 wrote: »you couldn't dodge those things in morrowind...staying true to LORE
At higher level I had an cliff racer ring, fire damage on target at range, enough damage to single hit to kill one
Grinding just make you go in circles.
Asking ZoS for nerfs is as stupid as asking for close air support from the death star.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭It shouldn't be un-dodgeable
Damage is not impressive, its not the ranged spamable you are looking for, making it dodgeable and boost damage might make it the ranged stamina spamableHow is that damage on it compared to the others? Maybe that..
Grinding just make you go in circles.
Asking ZoS for nerfs is as stupid as asking for close air support from the death star.0 -
Aquanova✭✭✭✭✭If Crystal frag can be dodge rolled and reflected than so should Cliff Racer. It hits hard and is not a channeled ability.NA/PC2 -
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✭It shouldn't be un-dodgeableLet me see you dodge frags in Cyro when XvX battle on fields of Sejanus is on or something. From what we know, Cliff Racer can be blocked, yes? Also, if you can't see huge ass dinosaur screaming and rushing to kamikaze your chest cavity so you don't block, joke is on you.
so this will be last hit to your death....letys look about this...you need to dodge something because reasons, because roots/other skills etc and you want to dodge from this but suddenly you get hit by this while you cant press block...same thing without souls assasult etc but its on the other way
if cliff racer will be undodgable then as I dont play sorc I also want to proc crystal freg be undodgable because it have time to travel to you and is easy to dodge whiel after nerf its have only 10% to proc! it seem fair trade for me to not waste proc from this fragment in compare to just spammable skill from warden0 -
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✭Because Warden should be OPMy vote here is totally sarcastic, I don't believe it should be but it will.
I find it kind of ironic that Wardens are being given a pet that was almost universally viewed as THE most annoying creature in Morrowind and many used a mod to eliminate them .. sadly mods aren't allowed in ESO to do the same thing for Wardens.Edited by KerinKor on May 4, 2017 11:24AM0 -
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✭✭✭✭Let me see you dodge frags in Cyro when XvX battle on fields of Sejanus is on or something. From what we know, Cliff Racer can be blocked, yes? Also, if you can't see huge ass dinosaur screaming and rushing to kamikaze your chest cavity so you don't block, joke is on you.
so this will be last hit to your death....letys look about this...you need to dodge something because reasons, because roots/other skills etc and you want to dodge from this but suddenly you get hit by this while you cant press block...same thing without souls assasult etc but its on the other way
if cliff racer will be undodgable then as I dont play sorc I also want to proc crystal freg be undodgable because it have time to travel to you and is easy to dodge whiel after nerf its have only 10% to proc! it seem fair trade for me to not waste proc from this fragment in compare to just spammable skill from warden
Yeah, and I want snipe/balista/dizzying swing etc to be undogeable as well. So Warden have one skill that might be a threat to others in PvP. Lets see what other classes have.
Sorc - curse, frags, streak trough you to stun you and also reliable instant ranged execute.
Temp - spear that deals more damage than cliff racer and stuns, 40 kilometers execute, stun gap closer and power of the light.
DK - dots and undogeable ulti.
NB - scourge/will, non broken gap closer, execute that can be ranged and empowering ultimate that if executed well cant be dodged.
I guess every class has something others find op or broken. If you will just stand there and wait for dinosaur to smash your face, well... I have bad news, son.0 -
Sinolai✭✭✭✭✭I don't know, But here is my guessThey are looking at overall class balance. If that huge nuke from templar was undodgeable, or that stun from sorcerer - that is most of the time insta-cast - was undodgeable, it would be too OP. Warden doesn't have that many offensive skills(maybe?) so the few they have are given some extra effects. You can still block the cliff-racer.Edited by Sinolai on May 4, 2017 11:40AM0
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✭Dark Flare is listed with a 1.1 second cast if memory serves.
Dive is instant but through playtesting they found the visuals as well as the sound made the classes instant cast ability very easy to dodge.
Funnel health has no cast and is not easy to dodge on reaction.
Stonefist was recently sped up and is not easy to dodge on reaction.
Crystal Frags can be dodged if your paying attention to when the sorc has the the proc and is trying to time burst.
None of these skills have the sound or visual indicator that gives the half a second advantage you get from Cliff Racer sound and animation.
As to if dive turns out OP, hasn't really felt that way on test but we'll see once it goes live and masses try to break the game.
In the same vein remember Warden does not have access to instant class though block CC either. The only CC skill they posses is on a three second delayEdited by acw37162 on May 4, 2017 2:25PM1 -
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✭It shouldn't be un-dodgeableLet me see you dodge frags in Cyro when XvX battle on fields of Sejanus is on or something. From what we know, Cliff Racer can be blocked, yes? Also, if you can't see huge ass dinosaur screaming and rushing to kamikaze your chest cavity so you don't block, joke is on you.
so this will be last hit to your death....letys look about this...you need to dodge something because reasons, because roots/other skills etc and you want to dodge from this but suddenly you get hit by this while you cant press block...same thing without souls assasult etc but its on the other way
if cliff racer will be undodgable then as I dont play sorc I also want to proc crystal freg be undodgable because it have time to travel to you and is easy to dodge whiel after nerf its have only 10% to proc! it seem fair trade for me to not waste proc from this fragment in compare to just spammable skill from warden
Yeah, and I want snipe/balista/dizzying swing etc to be undogeable as well. So Warden have one skill that might be a threat to others in PvP. Lets see what other classes have.
Sorc - curse, frags, streak trough you to stun you and also reliable instant ranged execute.
Temp - spear that deals more damage than cliff racer and stuns, 40 kilometers execute, stun gap closer and power of the light.
DK - dots and undogeable ulti.
NB - scourge/will, non broken gap closer, execute that can be ranged and empowering ultimate that if executed well cant be dodged.
I guess every class has something others find op or broken. If you will just stand there and wait for dinosaur to smash your face, well... I have bad news, son.
but aslo warden have now many skills which outlassed rest classes because of nerf... and about nb assasins scrouge its easily to dodge it like frag or this clif race if it will be dodgable...make also thias scrouge an unddogable and fine..this isnt skill whci h canp be spemmad like this cliff race and proc crystal frags same with assasins scrougeEdited by Edziu on May 4, 2017 12:40PM0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭As a couple others have said, Cliff Racer is BLOCKABLE, and they even stated that in ESO Live that the counter to Racer is BLOCK.CP: 2105 ** ESO+ ** ~~ ***** Strictly a solo PvE quester *****
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subtlezeroub17_ESO✭✭✭✭Nelson_Rebel wrote: »subtlezeroub17_ESO wrote: »Nelson_Rebel wrote: »So ZOS's logic for this was that cliff racer had a cast time and therefore easy to dodge, said during ESO live.
If that is the case, then WHY are these skills dodgeable and not Cliff racer?
@ZOS_GinaBruno
@ZOS_JessicaFolsom
@Wrobel
@ZOS_RichLambert
Dark flare- Huge travel time AND cast time.
Snipe- Huge Travel Time AND cast time
Funnel health- Travel time
Crystal Frags- Travel time AND cast time
Stone Fist- Travel Time
All of these are spammables with cast times That ARE dodgeable. WHY is cliff racer going to be an exception?
This question was mentioned in the public server however I'm posting it as a poll to gather feedback from the General section for more visibility.
*Edited to add Stone fist*
Ahhh, here we go again with people not looking at the big picture. You prefer to focus on one thing and ignore the whole pie
*ahem*
It's because this is their only offensive skill out of 3.It is really that simple. They have a whopping 3 offensive skills not including the bear. So, let's say you dodge the cliff racer. What else can they do? A ground AoE with an easily roll dodged delay and a DoT.
That's it.
/thread
Ah here we go with someone trying to distract from a clearly flawed issue
You must have forgotten the weapon skill lines huh?
With that logic then nothing in this game should be undodgeable. Let's also not forget that magicka classes only have access to Destroy staves of which 3 of the skills are redundant on the warden, but let's keep pretending that weapon lines are going to give magicka Wardens more options3
