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Yet another downtime complaint.

Elana
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Hello

There are already dozens of threads on the forum voicing players' displeasure at the downtime and yet I'm writing another one in hopes that maybe one more, or maybe the next one or the next one, will finally make ZOS realise how strongly the community feels about it.

It is not the first time in relatively short time, that the maintenance has been prolonged. On its own, it might have not been enough for me to write this post, but on top of other server-side problems it became frustrating enough for me to decide to write this post.

For several months now I am dealing with random disconnects. Not even proper crashes or errors, I just get kicked to the login screen as if I logged out myself. There seems to be no common factor to those occurences, they can happen in the middle of a dungeon or while simple chatting with other players, without even moving from the spot. Be it morning, evening or just a middle of the day. Sometimes it happens as few af 4-5 times in a row and then I can play normally again and sometimes it is as long as half-an-hour struggle to log in and stay logged in. Sometimes it happens once a day, sometimes a few times. I know for a fact it is not an issue with my internet connection and I know a lot of players experience similar problem. I also know ZOS is aware of it so I am struggling to comprehend why it is still not solved. Perhaps it is such a complex and hard matter that it truly requires this much time, but then it would be enough to say so. That irregular maintenance a few weeks ago that was supposed to deal with it, quite frankly did not. However, what that downtime did, was show that ZOS is perfectly capable of doing the maintenance during European nighttime. In fact, it used to be so in the game's early days. Therefore I can only assume it changed because the company decided to cut the cost at the expense of EU players' convenience. I just can't imagine the savings are big enough to be worth it. There surely is an emergency team, however small, working overnights anyway. Considering the game's popularity, I sincerely doubt the sum required to pay the workers for working additional hours would be significant enough to make any difference whatsoever for company's profit while it would go a long way with the EU players.
On top of that issues like the one with group finder, which is so commonly and widely used tool, influence the quality of the game experience greatly.

If I am wrong, that's fine, but it would be nice if someone from ZOS actually made an official statement on that. It is a recurring issue and I feel that instead of confronting it ZOS prefers to ignore it. It will not disappear this way, I assure you, but some communication in the matter could certainly ease players' minds.

In short, I ask you, ZOS, to, please, reconsider your stance on EU maintenance times or perhaps to consider investing in a system that allows patching without the downtime, one that requires a simple relog to download the patch. Perhaps it is not possible with ESO's engine or whatever else considering ESO. Perhaps. I don't know and won't know unless someone from the dev team decides to answer, which, again I ask you to do. Not here, but an official thread or somesuch with ZOS's official stance and reason for their current policy would be greatly appreciated.

Respectfully,
@Lijka

P.S.
I expect that very quickly answers like: "go play another game" will appear. I have and I will, but I believe the fact that I took my time (as many other players did) to speak up and say that we would prefer to play ESO rather than those other games, indeed counts for something. You may say I seem entitled and full of myself, but indeed I believe that such dedication that causes me to invest in and support the game, that causes me to say: "I want to play ESO over other games", deserves a modicum of respect in form of aknowledging my (and many other players') concerns, even if simply by saying: "we can't do what you ask of us because: [insert whatever the reason]."
Elana Aelios
"Because I have loved life, I shall have no sorrow to die."
  • LadyLavina
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    This is the first well worded/laid out thread about all of this that I've seen . Fantastic work @Elana .

    I don't want to end up saying the same thing across all of these threads since you're just not just spitting out blind rage, so I'll just agree with you. It seems EU needs some love and perhaps a reevaluation of their plan/procedures for it.

    I would love to see a short 30 minute maintenance every night, strategically done outside of prime time hours.

    ZOS and CCP Games are 2 different companies, but CCP does that with Eve Online and in my opinion it works out very well.
    PC - NA @LadyLavina 1800+ CP PvP Tank and PvP Healer
  • Vipstaakki
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    The number of threads is insignificant. What the threads contain is important.
    Judging by it all being whine, *** and moan. It is not very effective at making anyone realize anything.
  • Herbbie
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    I have to agree with this well thought out post. Without wanting to offend I have to say I find it not only unprofessional but a little bit disrespectful that the EU downtime is during the day yet the NA is not. I don't know the numbers but I would think the EU player base is a similar size to the NA, therefore worthy of the same service.

    Yes I do understand that ZOS is a US company but they do run a "European" server
  • DanaDark
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    The time scheduled for server maintenance is tough. One side gets screwed. It is not always so easy as to just work a 16 hour day every week / other week to make EU players happy. Many times there are actual pieces of infrastructure and supporting programs that run in parallel and not sequentially, thus making splitting things up more difficult and requiring a complete redesign of the system in place.

    Honestly, I have no clue what their maintenance entails. It is quite clear they do much more than a simple restart of the servers. Without knowing exactly what they are doing, it is too difficult to adequately offer suggestions on how to do it.

    Today's 'maintenance' is actually slightly different than normal according to the forum post, as this relates to their data server... and databases must be handled with extreme care. If there was any data problem with the database, it'd definitely require hours to repair.

    Your issues seem as follows:
    1. Random disconnects
    2. Excessive downtime lately
    3. Group finder issues

    With the random disconnects, it doesn't appear to be some sort of massive problem honestly. I haven't had them. My friends haven't had them. I haven't noticed massive forums posts about them. ZOS might have more data on the issue, and additionally, it could be something totally out of their hands due to the fact they do not get to control the actual physical cables in Europe for example. Hopefully it is an issue that they know of and have been looking into more solutions to.

    Excessive downtown, honestly, judging from the notes posted, I anticipate that the issue they ran into last week is related to the data server maintenance. Either security related, data corruption, etc. Either way, the downtime itself seems overly excessive in length without informing us of what exactly goes on.

    Group finder, I think it is working alright. Not perfect. Given the fact it is very very frequently used, even 'rare' errors will show up constantly. I would assume they are aware of these issues and have some data metrics put in to debug later. Problem with programming is that many times you don't get the opportunity to directly be involved in the error. You hear of it after the fact and then have to put in code to gather anything and everything you can, sift through all that data, make a fix, test the fix, and put it in. Then wait and see if it actually fixed it. Many times, this requires many iterations. Best thing you can do is to keep using it and they should get more and more data.
  • Waffennacht
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    Console, for the most part, has updated at really good times.
    Gamer tag: DasPanzerKat NA Xbox One
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  • Daemons_Bane
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    Elana wrote: »
    There are already dozens of threads on the forum voicing players' displeasure at the downtime and yet I'm writing another one in hopes that maybe one more, or maybe the next one or the next one, will finally make ZOS realise how strongly the community feels about it.

    The naivety is strong in that one
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