The Luxury Goods Are Out Of Control

Prof_Bawbag · May 2017

Kiralyn2000 wrote: »

re: selling AP/TelVar items

What's the option for PvPers who aren't in a trade guild (or in a bad one)?

Gotta keep that trader busy, so I'm not kicked from the guild.

As mentioned, I'm no pvper, but the above is part of why I'm not in a trade guild - I don't have enough things to sell weekly to make up quotas/dues. I'm a very inconsistent seller - in other MMOs I've played, I might toss 3 items on the AH in a week, or none. I've never had a steady supply of salable goods. "Commodity trader" is not why I play games, it doesn't interest me. ESO's trade guild system seems to require you to either Really Commit, or just not bother. So I'm just not bothering - but as a pve'er, I at least can vendor/fence/quest/writ for some cash. Not sure what a pvp'er can do.

(been slowly saving up for one of the higher-end houses. Managed 1.2mil in the last two months, with six characters.)

@Kiralyn2000

I'm sure you posted this in a thread over the weekend and I forgot to ask and I'm genuinely interested in what you do with those purple spinners, spriggans etc, etc rings, necks and sough after goods you do find. Do you just vendor those? Some of those items for example on console sell for 30k

I'm not saying you'd find those expensive items every session, but when you do.

Kiralyn2000 · May 2017

F7sus4 wrote: »

Also... Calling 15k or 25k items "expensive" and "out of control"... Really?

It's a matter of perspective. For someone clearing 500k a week via trading, it's pocket change. For someone who can only play "seriously" a couple nights a week, and makes less than 50k a week? It's more substantial - especially for items that you'd want multiples of for good decorating. /shrug

Kiralyn2000 · May 2017

Prof_Bawbag wrote: »

@Kiralyn2000

I'm sure you posted this in a thread over the weekend and I forgot to ask and I'm genuinely interested in what you do with those purple spinners, spriggans etc, etc rings, necks and sough after goods you do find. Do you just vendor those? Some of those items for example on console sell for 30k

I'm not saying you'd find those expensive items every session, but when you do.

Basically. Unless it's something I save for another character, I either vendor or deconstruct. (Not sure what many of the "high demand" items are, really. Right now I've got a couple characters questing through Rivenspire/Al'ikir, and Shadowfen. And I'm definitely not "farming" any areas at the moment.)

DaveMoeDee · May 2017

Berenhir wrote: »

If you get all your character slots to max level, you make about 48K gold every day just from writs, not counting the steady flow of mats and tempers, flowers and ingredients.

35k gold as reward is the real joke, as you get that easily from one afternoon of random PvE. So no, the price is not out of hand. Only the PvP reward mails are pathetic.

All characters to max level? In crafting? That's a lot of skill points. I have 5 max level, but only 1 has enough skill points for max crafting across the board and one is close to that.

The best time time to make money was that anniversary event. I still have a lot of motifs to burn from writs on low level characters. Then writs were definitely worth the effort for 2 weeks.

fred4 · May 2017

@Kiralyn2000: My guild in Craglorn has a 150K a month trading requirement. The one in Rawl Kha: 25K or 50K (it varies a bit over time). My social + trading guild has no requirements and will sell materials just as quickly as the others, but other stuff sells more slowly. They always have a trader in one of the towns, but not a major hub. A guild like that would probably suit you fine. I rely on the Craglorn and Rawl Kha guilds for the quicker turnover, because sometimes I have lots to sell. None of my guilds ask for dues. Some do raffles, and making donations keeps you in the prime guilds, if you don't sell.

I think there should be a guild for you. One that's not too serious, but always keeps a trader. For example Redfur Trading on PC EU. Other than that I see people trading via zone chat.

Kiralyn2000 · May 2017

Thanks for the advice.

Prof_Bawbag · May 2017

Kiralyn2000 wrote: »

Prof_Bawbag wrote: »

@Kiralyn2000

I'm sure you posted this in a thread over the weekend and I forgot to ask and I'm genuinely interested in what you do with those purple spinners, spriggans etc, etc rings, necks and sough after goods you do find. Do you just vendor those? Some of those items for example on console sell for 30k

I'm not saying you'd find those expensive items every session, but when you do.

Basically. Unless it's something I save for another character, I either vendor or deconstruct. (Not sure what many of the "high demand" items are, really. Right now I've got a couple characters questing through Rivenspire/Al'ikir, and Shadowfen. And I'm definitely not "farming" any areas at the moment.)

No need to farm at times, pal. Sometimes things just unwittingly fall into your hands. I Imagine you've vendored a few items that would have bought you that house 3 times over had you sold all of it in guilds. That aside, if you're on PS4 EU, I can send you the shortfall for that house of yours.

Kiralyn2000 · May 2017

Thanks, but that's ok. Not meant to be any sort of begging.

edit: didn't mean to turn this into Yet Another Guild Trader thread, either. Whoops.

Katahdin · May 2017

I kinda felt the 20K each sigils the last 2 weeks were a bit much honestly. I bought them because the fit into the theme of one of my houses, but it did take a lot of gold that I've been trying to save for other things. That will just take a bit longer for those though.

I do pretty well with gold, but only because really focus the gold farming since housing came out. It gets old sometimes though and the anniversary event made it harder to make gold with motifs since the prices on many tanked during the event. Still doing ok though but it's definitely made it a bit harder.

Prof_Bawbag · May 2017

Kiralyn2000 wrote: »

Thanks, but that's ok. Not meant to be any sort of begging.

edit: didn't mean to turn this into Yet Another Guild Trader thread, either. Whoops.

I know you weren't begging and that's the reason I offered. Too many greedy self serving people in this game and always a breath of fresh air meeting those who aren't out to screw every second person over. Like yourself. I got helped when i first played this game and now do the same.

Berenhir · May 2017

DaveMoeDee wrote: »

Berenhir wrote: »

If you get all your character slots to max level, you make about 48K gold every day just from writs, not counting the steady flow of mats and tempers, flowers and ingredients.

35k gold as reward is the real joke, as you get that easily from one afternoon of random PvE. So no, the price is not out of hand. Only the PvP reward mails are pathetic.

All characters to max level? In crafting? That's a lot of skill points. I have 5 max level, but only 1 has enough skill points for max crafting across the board and one is close to that.

The best time time to make money was that anniversary event. I still have a lot of motifs to burn from writs on low level characters. Then writs were definitely worth the effort for 2 weeks.

No, max level aka. CP 160.
Turning in the low level writs yields 664 gold per writ. 6 professions * 12 chars = ~48k gold.

Maxing out the crafts is of course super beneficial because the writs become cheaper to do and less time consuming. But that's a big time sink to get all those skyshards on 12 toons.

On the other hand all the money you can make with master writs from 12 toons...

DaveMoeDee · May 2017

Kiralyn2000 wrote: »

Prof_Bawbag wrote: »

@Kiralyn2000

I'm sure you posted this in a thread over the weekend and I forgot to ask and I'm genuinely interested in what you do with those purple spinners, spriggans etc, etc rings, necks and sough after goods you do find. Do you just vendor those? Some of those items for example on console sell for 30k

I'm not saying you'd find those expensive items every session, but when you do.

Basically. Unless it's something I save for another character, I either vendor or deconstruct. (Not sure what many of the "high demand" items are, really. Right now I've got a couple characters questing through Rivenspire/Al'ikir, and Shadowfen. And I'm definitely not "farming" any areas at the moment.)

It is a bit of a chore, but I make sure I always have 30 slots filled in my guild store with a premium location. The guild expects me to average 1k a week in guild cut, which I have no problem making. Just throw everything that you can move up there. I've had some good stuff to sell recently with all the great rewards from the anniversary, but on PC/NA I also move a lot of blue gear, superb/truly superb glyphs, and intricate gear for 120-250g a pop. Add in some decent set pieces and I can get a few hundred more per. I go for volume with those items as there are always people looking to level crafting or do research.

One key is being in a good location. Personally, I do not enjoy the economy aspect. It is a necessary evil. One year ago, I had 2 trade guilds I posted in, but I can't really maintain that commitment these days. It is nice to have more trade guilds if you want to get good prices on high ticket items that don't move immediately. If I want to move a purple design, I would rather do a high price and have it sit in inventory until someone search for it than lowball. I keep the cheaper stuff at prices that will sell will sell within 3 days.

It is going to be harder to make money with PvP because you won't be looting as many containers and getting all those housing recipes. You also won't get as much gear drops from mobs. But whatever you get, you need to be in a trade guild to sell for a decent price.

Btw, cold fire ballistas sell for a good price. I get 7k regularly on PC/NA.

smdl · May 2017

Apologize for my poor English, I born with a French brain

My story in game, it's 100/150k gold by week. I play 4, or 5 hours a day. 5 or 6 days a week.
I'm not strong, make V1 dungeons on duo with my sister, and V2 with two others gamers. I did all Vet raids, except Lorkhaj.

I am very lent, I mean, slow guy. I'm now 58, and if I was good when young, I must (no choice) accept (difficult, captain obvious) a kind of loss, brain speed, reflexes, and something more, which is no so sad : I love meditation, imagination, and this world is a virtuel second world, were I walk, me the City's rat, on kind of earth bis. To be slow is a good way to appreciate the game more. Hunt butterflies

I never passsed the half of this time on any game. Never. But It is gorgeous.
But yes, there are here many kinds of problems, even as crucial like our relationship with the new open world games. Addict.

But it's not my langage, Can't say these kinds of things, only in French.

Finishing, luxury is luxury. Something extremely rare, with a mirroring desire, stronger with the frustration. Farming is sometimes surprising.
May be later, thanks for answering.

Recremen · May 2017

@Absalon
@F7sus4
@Hope499
@Vivecc

Actually, I AM a subscriber, and completely uninterrupted to boot!

No, I DON'T want everything right now! I want the content to be realistically accessible without having to devote my whole life to gaming!

No, I DON'T want everything for free with no effort! I just think the current balance between accessible content and player effort is skewed too much towards an abundance of effort and not enough towards enjoying content!

Actually, I DID buy my houses with Crowns! I am no enemy of the Crown Store.

Yes, your alternative solution has some good components. You should totally make your own topic on it so it can get the attention it deserves and the community can flesh out/expand on it more.

No, your alternative solution is bad and you should feel bad. You should totally make your own topic on it so we can tear it apart properly.